Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Namaste What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? -Regards Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Someone please shed some light on this. What is the spirtual/mystical significance of the seven tongues of agni.. The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Wed, 11/2/09, rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 wrote: rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 Agni Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 6:43 PM NamasteWhat do the seven "tongues" of Agni mean?-RegardsRajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Namaste friends, You ask a very good question. Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing and digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they burn in fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by your internal fire. Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a spirit that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. * * * The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, Sulohita, Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit of detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide open mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of determination and strength controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/smoke-colored fire. Spirit of confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and haste (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being and bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. * * * As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect your internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the fire will automatically burn bright. The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the spiritual experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of the external fire are receiving offerings right now. The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept may be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. * * * Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. Though external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some limits), it can become a distraction. Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen together. Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ----- Original Message ----- "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM Agni > Namaste> > What do the seven "tongues" of Agni mean?> > -Regards> Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Classic mail. The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Fri, 13/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Agni Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 9:00 AM Namaste friends, You ask a very good question. Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing and digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they burn in fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by your internal fire. Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a spirit that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. * * * The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, Sulohita, Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit of detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide open mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of determination and strength controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. Spirit of confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and haste (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being and bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. * * * As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect your internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the fire will automatically burn bright. The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the spiritual experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of the external fire are receiving offerings right now. The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept may be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. * * * Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. Though external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some limits), it can become a distraction. Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen together. Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in><@ . com>Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM Agni > Namaste> > What do the seven "tongues" of Agni mean?> > -Regards> Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Namaste Narasimha Good Post, Thanks for the definitions What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? Best Regards Mitesh , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > You ask a very good question. > > Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing and digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they burn in fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by your internal fire. > > Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a spirit that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > * * * > > The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, Sulohita, Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit of detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide open mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of determination and strength controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/smoke-colored fire. Spirit of confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and haste (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being and bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > * * * > > As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect your internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the fire will automatically burn bright. > > The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the spiritual experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of the external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept may be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > * * * > > Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. Though external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some limits), it can become a distraction. > > Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen together. > > Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > Agni > > > Namaste > > > > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > > -Regards > > Rajarshi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Namaste, > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I know. I know some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and hence I can identify the external source of that knowledge. But some knowledge just comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This one is like that. Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from outside or from within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of salt. I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and merely a dumb servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from outside or from within, I merely share with others. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " m540i98 " <m540i98 Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM Re: Agni > Namaste Narasimha > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Namaste friends, >> >> You ask a very good question. >> >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing and > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they burn in > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by > your internal fire. >> >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a spirit > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. >> >> * * * >> >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, Sulohita, > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. >> >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit of > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide open > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb your > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > determination and strength controls how you absorb your experiences, > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/smoke-colored fire. Spirit of > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and haste > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being and > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering > in that tongue of fire. >> >> * * * >> >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect your > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the fire > will automatically burn bright. >> >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the spiritual > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of the > external fire are receiving offerings right now. >> >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept may > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. >> >> * * * >> >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. Though > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some limits), > it can become a distraction. >> >> Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen > together. >> >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> >> - >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 >> >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM >> Agni >> >> > Namaste >> > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? >> > >> > -Regards >> > Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Dear Narasimha Namaste Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I feel that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our scriptures, as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our abilities and state that too. For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, how and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the wrong reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if we need. Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara or himself or other, I appreciate that. I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good things that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. I recommend take some time to get your references straight and then share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you donot have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. Collabrating is always good. Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with a pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have definition in black and white. Best Regards Mitesh , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I know. I know > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and hence I can > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some knowledge just > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This one is like > that. > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from outside or from > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of salt. > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and merely a dumb > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from outside or from > within, I merely share with others. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " m540i98 " <m540i98 > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > Re: Agni > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Namaste friends, > >> > >> You ask a very good question. > >> > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing and > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they burn in > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by > > your internal fire. > >> > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a spirit > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, Sulohita, > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > >> > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit of > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > >> > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide open > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb your > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > >> > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > >> > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your experiences, > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > >> > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/smoke-colored fire. Spirit of > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > >> > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and haste > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > >> > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being and > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering > > in that tongue of fire. > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect your > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the fire > > will automatically burn bright. > >> > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the spiritual > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of the > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > >> > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept may > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > >> > >> * * * > >> > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. Though > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some limits), > > it can become a distraction. > >> > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen > > together. > >> > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> -------------------------------- - > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> -------------------------------- - > >> > >> - > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@> > >> > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > >> Agni > >> > >> > Namaste > >> > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > >> > > >> > -Regards > >> > Rajarshi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Namaste Mitesh The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I just did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it is unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not necessarily have to be scholar at all. -Regards Rajarshi PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your mail. I just thought of clarifying. The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98 wrote: m540i98 <m540i98 Re: Agni Date: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM Dear NarasimhaNamasteYes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I feel that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our scriptures, as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our abilities and state that too.For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, how and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the wrong reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if we need.Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be appropriate names and definitions in our scripture.You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara or himself or other, I appreciate that.I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good things that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful.I recommend take some time to get your references straight and then share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you donot have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. Collabrating is always good.Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with a pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have definition in black and white.Best RegardsMitesh, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran?> > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest.> > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I know. I know > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and hence I can > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some knowledge just > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This one is like > that.> > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from outside or from > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of salt.> > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and merely a dumb > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from outside or from > within, I merely share with others.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > "m540i98" <m540i98 >> <>> Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM> Re: Agni> > > > Namaste Narasimha> > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions> > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran?> >> > Best Regards> > Mitesh> >> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > wrote:> >>> >> Namaste friends,> >>> >> You ask a very good question.> >>> >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing and> > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they burn in> > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by> > your internal fire.> >>> >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going> > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a spirit> > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences.> >>> >> * * *> >>> >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, Sulohita,> > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi.> >>> >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit of> > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your> > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> >>> >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide open> > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb your> > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> >>> >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame.> > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you> > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> >>> >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of> > determination and strength controls how you absorb your experiences,> > when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> >>> >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. Spirit of> > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you> > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> >>> >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and haste> > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb> > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> >>> >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being and> > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are offering> > in that tongue of fire.> >>> >> * * *> >>> >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between> > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect your> > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the fire> > will automatically burn bright.> >>> >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the spiritual> > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn> > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are> > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of the> > external fire are receiving offerings right now.> >>> >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept may> > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are> > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in.> >>> >> * * *> >>> >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality> > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. Though> > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some limits),> > it can become a distraction.> >>> >> Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a> > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together.> > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen> > together.> >>> >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the> > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen> > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself.> >>> >> Best regards,> >> Narasimha> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- > >>> >> - > >> "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ >> >> <>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM> >> Agni> >>> >> > Namaste> >> >> >> > What do the seven "tongues" of Agni mean?> >> >> >> > -Regards> >> > Rajarshi> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Dear Mitesh, > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. Sorry, I may have confused you a little. The names of the tongues of fire were not " coined " by me. They are actually quite well-known. It is regarding the significance and meaning of each tongue that I had to fall back to what I referred to as internal sources. I thought you were enquiring about the interpretation and not about the actual names themselves, because the names themselves are quite famous. So I explained how I got that understanding of the meaning. So, I did not really coin any " fancy names " . Usually scriptures only mention raw knowledge and interpretation is left out. A lot of interpretive knowledge is usually not found in scriptures. You usually do not get it by research or checking many references. You usually get it from either a learned person or from within. * * * Good or bad, I do not think in terms of whether a piece of knowledge I share here is an amazing insight that inspires someone or a " bastardization " that " eventually leads to wrong practices " . What I know from inside and feel inspired to share, I share. Someone may have a question. When She wants to answer, She may use me as an instrument. She may want to delude some with wrong knowledge in one case or inspire some with good knowledge in another case. In either case, I look at myself as a mere instrument and do not try to distinguish between the two cases. She does whatever She does in each case. I submit myself to Her and She can use me for *any* purpose. I am a servant who carries the parcel. My master is welcome to use me for carrying valuable articles or useless junk. My master must have a reason for giving me a parcel to carry and I carry it. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " m540i98 " <m540i98 Monday, February 16, 2009 11:22 AM Re: Agni > Dear Narasimha > > Namaste > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I feel > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our scriptures, > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our abilities > and state that too. > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, how > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the wrong > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if we > need. > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara or > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good things > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and then > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you donot > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > Collabrating is always good. > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with a > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have definition in > black and white. > > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Namaste, >> >> > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? >> >> I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. >> >> I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > know. I know >> some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > hence I can >> identify the external source of that knowledge. But some knowledge > just >> comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This one > is like >> that. >> >> Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from outside > or from >> within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > salt. >> >> I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and merely a > dumb >> servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from outside or > from >> within, I merely share with others. >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> >> - >> " m540i98 " <m540i98 >> >> Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM >> Re: Agni >> >> > Namaste Narasimha >> > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions >> > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? >> > >> > Best Regards >> > Mitesh >> > >> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Namaste friends, >> >> >> >> You ask a very good question. >> >> >> >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing > and >> > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > burn in >> > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by >> > your internal fire. >> >> >> >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going >> > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > spirit >> > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. >> >> >> >> * * * >> >> >> >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > Sulohita, >> > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. >> >> >> >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit > of >> > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your >> > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> >> >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide > open >> > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb > your >> > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> >> >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. >> > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you >> > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire. >> >> >> >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of >> > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > experiences, >> > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> >> >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/smoke-colored fire. Spirit > of >> > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you >> > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire. >> >> >> >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and > haste >> > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb >> > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. >> >> >> >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being > and >> > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > offering >> > in that tongue of fire. >> >> >> >> * * * >> >> >> >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between >> > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect > your >> > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the > fire >> > will automatically burn bright. >> >> >> >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > spiritual >> > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn >> > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are >> > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of > the >> > external fire are receiving offerings right now. >> >> >> >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept > may >> > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are >> > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. >> >> >> >> * * * >> >> >> >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality >> > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. > Though >> > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > limits), >> > it can become a distraction. >> >> >> >> Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a >> > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. >> > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen >> > together. >> >> >> >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the >> > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen >> > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Narasimha >> >> -------------------------------- > - >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> >> Spirituality: >> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> -------------------------------- > - >> >> - >> >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@> >> >> >> >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM >> >> Agni >> >> >> >> > Namaste >> >> > >> >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? >> >> > >> >> > -Regards >> >> > Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Namaste Rajarshi I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked him for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so I thought for a while if he came up with terms and their definitions. What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on the internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and not give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is important but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than it is always better. We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told me to do this or that. These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and so we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide references if there are any. I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or anyone else. Best Regards Mitesh , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > > Namaste Mitesh >  > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I just did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it is unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not necessarily have to be scholar at all. >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi >  > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your mail. I just thought of clarifying. >  >  >  > >  > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98 wrote: > > m540i98 <m540i98 > Re: Agni > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM Dear Narasimha > > Namaste > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I feel > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our scriptures, > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our abilities > and state that too. > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, how > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the wrong > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if we > need. > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara or > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good things > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and then > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you donot > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > Collabrating is always good. > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with a > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have definition in > black and white. > > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > know. I know > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > hence I can > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some knowledge > just > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This one > is like > > that. > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from outside > or from > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > salt. > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and merely a > dumb > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from outside or > from > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > - > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ > > > <> > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Mitesh > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Namaste friends, > > >> > > >> You ask a very good question. > > >> > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing > and > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > burn in > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested by > > > your internal fire. > > >> > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is going > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > spirit > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > >> > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > Sulohita, > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > >> > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the spirit > of > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > >> > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide > open > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb > your > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > >> > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire. > > >> > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > experiences, > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > >> > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. Spirit > of > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how you > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire. > > >> > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and > haste > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you absorb > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > >> > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, being > and > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > offering > > > in that tongue of fire. > > >> > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed between > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect > your > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the > fire > > > will automatically burn bright. > > >> > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > spiritual > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in turn > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of > the > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > >> > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept > may > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire are > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > >> > > >> * * * > > >> > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this technicality > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. > Though > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > limits), > > > it can become a distraction. > > >> > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows internal a > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen > > > together. > > >> > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with the > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Narasimha > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > - > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > - > > >> > > >> - > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > >> <> > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > >> Agni > > >> > > >> > Namaste > > >> > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > >> > > > >> > -Regards > > >> > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Namaste Mitesh, I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had the good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade now and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is as etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person who has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the people in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these postings on the net. When I look at the development and transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes me to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of Vedic astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes up and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the benefit of the humanity in general. I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though I am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has risen above accolade. You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his writings and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that will not offend the members of the group. Particularly the paragraph " We eat… " is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them as hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's spiritual attainments. I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them. I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much less from me:-) Regards, RJ , " m540i98 " <m540i98 wrote: > > Namaste Rajarshi > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked him > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so I > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their definitions. > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on the > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and not > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is important > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than it is > always better. > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told > me to do this or that. > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and so > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide references if > there are any. > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or anyone > else. > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Mitesh > >  > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I just > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it is > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > >  > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your > mail. I just thought of clarifying. > >  > >  > >  > > > >  > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@> > > Re: Agni > > > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > Namaste > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > feel > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > scriptures, > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > abilities > > and state that too. > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, > how > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the wrong > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if we > > need. > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara or > > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good things > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and then > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you donot > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > Collabrating is always good. > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with a > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have definition > in > > black and white. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > <pvr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > > know. I know > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > > hence I can > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > knowledge > > just > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This > one > > is like > > > that. > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from outside > > or from > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > > salt. > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and merely > a > > dumb > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from outside > or > > from > > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > - > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ > > > > <> > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Namaste friends, > > > >> > > > >> You ask a very good question. > > > >> > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing > > and > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > > burn in > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested > by > > > > your internal fire. > > > >> > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is > going > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > > spirit > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > > >> > > > >> * * * > > > >> > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > Sulohita, > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > > >> > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > spirit > > of > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide > > open > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb > > your > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > of > > fire. > > > >> > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > experiences, > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > Spirit > > of > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how > you > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > of > > fire. > > > >> > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and > > haste > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > absorb > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > being > > and > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > > offering > > > > in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> * * * > > > >> > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > between > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect > > your > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the > > fire > > > > will automatically burn bright. > > > >> > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > spiritual > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in > turn > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of > > the > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > > >> > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept > > may > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire > are > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > > >> > > > >> * * * > > > >> > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > technicality > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. > > Though > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > > limits), > > > > it can become a distraction. > > > >> > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows internal > a > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen > > > > together. > > > >> > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with > the > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > > > >> > > > >> Best regards, > > > >> Narasimha > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- - > - > > - > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > net > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > rologer.org > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > nath.org > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- - > - > > - > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > > >> <> > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > > >> Agni > > > >> > > > >> > Namaste > > > >> > > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > >> > > > > >> > -Regards > > > >> > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Namaste, Personalities come and go and let us not waste time and energy discussing personalities. Praise and criticism are both merely a set of words expressing certain feelings generated by a play of karmas between persons. There is no need to be sensitive. If discussing anything helps one fulfil one's dharma, one can do it. Otherwise, it is a distraction and a waste of time. * * * People are criticizing Mitesh's perceived tone and attitude. That is subjective and irrelevant to growing our knowledge/wisdom. What is relevant is an important point he indirectly raised: what is the role of scripture vs intuition/judgment/interpretation of people? Though there was some confusion between him and me on what he asked and what I was saying etc, we can lay it to rest. The thing to *take forward* is the question of word of scripture vs interpretation based on one's intuition. I want to share my thoughts using a simple analogy. * * * Word of scripture is like raw rice or wheat. You cannot eat and digest raw rice or wheat. You need someone to cook it and give you cooked food. However, cooked food cannot be stored for too long. It will get spoiled. So you can only store raw food. When you need to eat it, you need to cook it. Similarly, scripture only stores raw (uncooked) knowledge. This is done for a purpose. If interpreted knowledge is stored, it becomes stale or spoiled or corrupted with time. So it is wise (and possible) to only store raw and uncooked knowledge. If raw rice is stored in a nice container, someone has to cook it for you so that you can eat it. Similarly, the raw knowledge in scriptures has to be processed in the internal fire of a learned person to be fit for consumption by people [though I do not consider myself a learned person, my guru gave me a responsibility and an assurance. I operate on that basis]. Depending on how good the fire is, the food may be properly cooked or improperly cooked (and inappropriate for consumption). But the bottomline is that the words of scripture have to be interpreted by someone well, for them to be useful. Of course, the food one cooks may appeal to some and not appeal to others. Similarly, when one processes raw knowledge in one's internal fire and offers the processed knowledge to others, some will be drawn towards it and like it and some will not like it. But many people liking some food does not make it good food. It may be bad for health or cause indigestion or be junk food. The goodness of the food will be proved when people digest it well and get strength from it. Similarly, the presence on this list of several people who take a liking to my writings and admire me does not mean anything. It is just a play of karmas. IF some of them benefit from my writings, have an internal transformation and start making spiritual progress, then my writings will have served a purpose and then it will suggest that I succeeded in " cooking " the knowedge of scriptures well. * * * There was more I wanted to write, but I have to stop for tonight. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > Namaste Mitesh, > > I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression > clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had the > good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade now > and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his > writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is as > etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels > that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person who > has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very > thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the people > in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of > seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these > postings on the net. When I look at the development and > transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes me > to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of Vedic > astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all > these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes up > and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the > benefit of the humanity in general. > > I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no > valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though I > am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has risen > above accolade. > > You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his writings > and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that will > not offend the members of the group. Particularly the paragraph " We > eat. " is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them as > hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows > your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's > spiritual attainments. > > I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the > habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I > have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful > writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them. > > I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like > butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much > less from me:-) > > Regards, > RJ > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Rajarshi > > > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked him > > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so I > > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their definitions. > > > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on the > > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and not > > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is important > > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than it > is > > always better. > > > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told > > me to do this or that. > > > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and so > > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide references > if > > there are any. > > > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or anyone > > else. > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mitesh > > >  > > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I > just > > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on > > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct > > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through > > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details > > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it > is > > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi > > >  > > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your > > mail. I just thought of clarifying. > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@> > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > > feel > > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > > scriptures, > > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > > abilities > > > and state that too. > > > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, > > how > > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the > wrong > > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if > we > > > need. > > > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara > or > > > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good > things > > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and > then > > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you > donot > > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > > Collabrating is always good. > > > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with > a > > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have > definition > > in > > > black and white. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Mitesh > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran? > > > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. > > > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > > > know. I know > > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > > > hence I can > > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > > knowledge > > > just > > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This > > one > > > is like > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from > outside > > > or from > > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > > > salt. > > > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and > merely > > a > > > dumb > > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from > outside > > or > > > from > > > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > <pvr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Namaste friends, > > > > >> > > > > >> You ask a very good question. > > > > >> > > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes > absorbing > > > and > > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > > > burn in > > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and > digested > > by > > > > > your internal fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is > > going > > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > > > spirit > > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > > Sulohita, > > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > > > >> > > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > > spirit > > > of > > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a > wide > > > open > > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you > absorb > > > your > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable > flame. > > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how > you > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > > experiences, > > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > > Spirit > > > of > > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls > how > > you > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression > and > > > haste > > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > > absorb > > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > > being > > > and > > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > > > offering > > > > > in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > > between > > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will > reflect > > > your > > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, > the > > > fire > > > > > will automatically burn bright. > > > > >> > > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > > spiritual > > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in > > turn > > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire > are > > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues > of > > > the > > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > > > >> > > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An > adept > > > may > > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire > > are > > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > > technicality > > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is > unneeded. > > > Though > > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > > > limits), > > > > > it can become a distraction. > > > > >> > > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows > internal > > a > > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just > happen > > > > > together. > > > > >> > > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with > > the > > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > > > > >> > > > > >> Best regards, > > > > >> Narasimha > - > > > > >> - > > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > > > >> <> > > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > > > >> Agni > > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste > > > > >> > > > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -Regards > > > > >> > Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear RJ Namaste Interesting, My goodness, what a mess! Dear RJ I suggest you need to be a silent reader in both priase and lighter moments or exchange of disagreements, it really takes time :-)..... What good is observing Narasimha for long time ..... I am just kidding here, camn down! We are all grown ups we donot need to give gentle reminders to ourselves and others... We need to enjoy the moment, be joyful, laugh atleast 20 times a day and most important make others laugh too. We all need to be less sensitive and more accomodating, this one is for me, be joyful in pleasure and pain or praise and criticism. I am trying now to do this and learning to be the best. Please you or others don't shoot miseales at me from whereever you are :-) and please don't butt me too :-), I have one wife who does it full time and I have no more quota in my karma bank balance to the best of my knowledge, ouch it seems now that there may be more ... I am not going to be defensive but now I shall shed more light on things for the benefit of all. When anyone does more sincere sadhana and is progressing, a state of joyfullness engulfs that person internally and externally. He non- voluntaryly starts sharing it I am afriad to state that atleast I fail to see in Narasimha many of the times. I wanted to influence him indirectly about that and all of us, He and all of us need to be more joyful and cheerful. Also we do a lot of things mechanically like drinking water, taking shower etc. you know what I mean. So all I was trying to influence indirectly to Narashima that for quoting shastras i.e. where the names are described one does not need mother's direction, it is for the sake of completeness and it also helps others if they want to do more research. One can always describe their own experiance or teaching acquired from others. As Narasimha states our email exchange was confusing to him first and his response to me, am not sure about others or you, more confusion to .... Now I have added even more confusion, but I promise on this subject it is the last one from my side. Have a joyful day. Best Regards Mitesh , " a_k_r_j " <a_k_r_j wrote: > > Namaste Mitesh, > > I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression > clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had the > good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade now > and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his > writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is as > etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels > that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person who > has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very > thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the people > in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of > seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these > postings on the net. When I look at the development and > transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes me > to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of Vedic > astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all > these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes up > and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the > benefit of the humanity in general. > > I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no > valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though I > am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has risen > above accolade. > > You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his writings > and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that will > not offend the members of the group. Particularly the paragraph " We > eat… " is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them as > hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows > your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's > spiritual attainments. > > I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the > habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I > have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful > writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them. > > I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like > butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much > less from me:-) > > Regards, > RJ > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Rajarshi > > > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked him > > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so I > > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their definitions. > > > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on the > > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and not > > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is important > > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than it > is > > always better. > > > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told > > me to do this or that. > > > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and so > > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide references > if > > there are any. > > > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or anyone > > else. > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mitesh > > >  > > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I > just > > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on > > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct > > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through > > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details > > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it > is > > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi > > >  > > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your > > mail. I just thought of clarifying. > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@> > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > > feel > > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > > scriptures, > > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > > abilities > > > and state that too. > > > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, > > how > > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the > wrong > > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if > we > > > need. > > > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara > or > > > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good > things > > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and > then > > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you > donot > > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > > Collabrating is always good. > > > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with > a > > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have > definition > > in > > > black and white. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Mitesh > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran? > > > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. > > > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > > > know. I know > > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > > > hence I can > > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > > knowledge > > > just > > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This > > one > > > is like > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from > outside > > > or from > > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > > > salt. > > > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and > merely > > a > > > dumb > > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from > outside > > or > > > from > > > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ > > > > > <> > > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > <pvr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Namaste friends, > > > > >> > > > > >> You ask a very good question. > > > > >> > > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes > absorbing > > > and > > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > > > burn in > > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and > digested > > by > > > > > your internal fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is > > going > > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > > > spirit > > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > > Sulohita, > > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > > > >> > > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > > spirit > > > of > > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a > wide > > > open > > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you > absorb > > > your > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable > flame. > > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how > you > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > > experiences, > > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > > Spirit > > > of > > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls > how > > you > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression > and > > > haste > > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > > absorb > > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > > being > > > and > > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > > > offering > > > > > in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > > between > > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will > reflect > > > your > > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, > the > > > fire > > > > > will automatically burn bright. > > > > >> > > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > > spiritual > > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in > > turn > > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire > are > > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues > of > > > the > > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > > > >> > > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An > adept > > > may > > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire > > are > > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > > technicality > > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is > unneeded. > > > Though > > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > > > limits), > > > > > it can become a distraction. > > > > >> > > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows > internal > > a > > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just > happen > > > > > together. > > > > >> > > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with > > the > > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > > > > >> > > > > >> Best regards, > > > > >> Narasimha > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ -- > - > > - > > > - > > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > homam > > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > > net > > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > > rologer.org > > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > > nath.org > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ -- > - > > - > > > - > > > > >> > > > > >> - > > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > > > >> <> > > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > > > >> Agni > > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste > > > > >> > > > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -Regards > > > > >> > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Brothers,I think this group and our discussion is a " Nimmitta " as this topic is AGNI and not doubt AGNI/Heat is spreading more or less to each and every member of the group.Hari Om Harr, JituOn Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, m540i98 <m540i98 wrote: Dear RJ Namaste Interesting, My goodness, what a mess! Dear RJ I suggest you need to be a silent reader in both priase and lighter moments or exchange of disagreements, it really takes time :-)..... What good is observing Narasimha for long time ..... I am just kidding here, camn down! We are all grown ups we donot need to give gentle reminders to ourselves and others... We need to enjoy the moment, be joyful, laugh atleast 20 times a day and most important make others laugh too. We all need to be less sensitive and more accomodating, this one is for me, be joyful in pleasure and pain or praise and criticism. I am trying now to do this and learning to be the best. Please you or others don't shoot miseales at me from whereever you are :-) and please don't butt me too :-), I have one wife who does it full time and I have no more quota in my karma bank balance to the best of my knowledge, ouch it seems now that there may be more ... I am not going to be defensive but now I shall shed more light on things for the benefit of all. When anyone does more sincere sadhana and is progressing, a state of joyfullness engulfs that person internally and externally. He non- voluntaryly starts sharing it I am afriad to state that atleast I fail to see in Narasimha many of the times. I wanted to influence him indirectly about that and all of us, He and all of us need to be more joyful and cheerful. Also we do a lot of things mechanically like drinking water, taking shower etc. you know what I mean. So all I was trying to influence indirectly to Narashima that for quoting shastras i.e. where the names are described one does not need mother's direction, it is for the sake of completeness and it also helps others if they want to do more research. One can always describe their own experiance or teaching acquired from others. As Narasimha states our email exchange was confusing to him first and his response to me, am not sure about others or you, more confusion to .... Now I have added even more confusion, but I promise on this subject it is the last one from my side. Have a joyful day. Best Regards Mitesh , " a_k_r_j " <a_k_r_j wrote: > > Namaste Mitesh, > > I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression > clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had the > good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade now > and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his > writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is as > etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels > that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person who > has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very > thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the people > in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of > seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these > postings on the net. When I look at the development and > transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes me > to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of Vedic > astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all > these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes up > and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the > benefit of the humanity in general. > > I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no > valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though I > am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has risen > above accolade. > > You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his writings > and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that will > not offend the members of the group. Particularly the paragraph " We > eat… " is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them as > hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows > your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's > spiritual attainments. > > I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the > habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I > have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful > writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them. > > I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like > butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much > less from me:-) > > Regards, > RJ > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Rajarshi > > > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked him > > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so I > > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their definitions. > > > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on the > > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and not > > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is important > > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than it > is > > always better. > > > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told > > me to do this or that. > > > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and so > > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide references > if > > there are any. > > > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or anyone > > else. > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mitesh > > >  > > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I > just > > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on > > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct > > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through > > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details > > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it > is > > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi > > >  > > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your > > mail. I just thought of clarifying. > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@> > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > > feel > > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > > scriptures, > > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > > abilities > > > and state that too. > > > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, > > how > > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the > wrong > > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if > we > > > need. > > > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara > or > > > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good > things > > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and > then > > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you > donot > > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > > Collabrating is always good. > > > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with > a > > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have > definition > > in > > > black and white. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Mitesh > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran? > > > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. > > > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > > > know. I know > > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > > > hence I can > > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > > knowledge > > > just > > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This > > one > > > is like > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from > outside > > > or from > > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > > > salt. > > > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and > merely > > a > > > dumb > > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from > outside > > or > > > from > > > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ > > > > > <> > > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > <pvr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Namaste friends, > > > > >> > > > > >> You ask a very good question. > > > > >> > > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes > absorbing > > > and > > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > > > burn in > > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and > digested > > by > > > > > your internal fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is > > going > > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > > > spirit > > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > > Sulohita, > > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > > > >> > > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > > spirit > > > of > > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a > wide > > > open > > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you > absorb > > > your > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable > flame. > > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how > you > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > > experiences, > > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > > Spirit > > > of > > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls > how > > you > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression > and > > > haste > > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > > absorb > > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > > being > > > and > > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > > > offering > > > > > in that tongue of fire. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > > between > > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will > reflect > > > your > > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, > the > > > fire > > > > > will automatically burn bright. > > > > >> > > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > > spiritual > > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in > > turn > > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire > are > > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues > of > > > the > > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > > > >> > > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An > adept > > > may > > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire > > are > > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > > > >> > > > > >> * * * > > > > >> > > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > > technicality > > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is > unneeded. > > > Though > > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > > > limits), > > > > > it can become a distraction. > > > > >> > > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows > internal > > a > > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just > happen > > > > > together. > > > > >> > > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with > > the > > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > > > > >> > > > > >> Best regards, > > > > >> Narasimha > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ -- > - > > - > > > - > > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > homam > > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > > net > > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > > rologer.org > > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > > nath.org > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ -- > - > > - > > > - > > > > >> > > > > >> - > > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > > > >> <> > > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > > > >> Agni > > > > >> > > > > >> > Namaste > > > > >> > > > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -Regards > > > > >> > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Mitu Bhai, Naaraz Shu kaam thao chho? [ We need to enjoy the moment, be joyful, laugh atleast 20 times a day and most important make others laugh too. We all need to be less sensitive and more accomodating, this one is for me, be joyful in pleasure and pain or praise and criticism. I am trying now to do this and learning to be the best. ] don't you think that this is the very good opporunity to learn to be calm, joyful, accomodative and Sthitpragnya in pain when you are critcised. The criticism was really gentle. think if you are criticised badly what will be your reactions? Didn't i say that your comments were Hilarious ) Agni sab kuchh jala ke Pavitra kar deta hai. Warm Regards, Utpal , " m540i98 " <m540i98 wrote: > > Dear RJ > > Namaste > > Interesting, My goodness, what a mess! > > Dear RJ I suggest you need to be a silent reader in both priase and > lighter moments or exchange of disagreements, > > it really takes time :-)..... > > What good is observing Narasimha for long time ..... > > I am just kidding here, camn down! > > We are all grown ups we donot need to give gentle reminders to > ourselves and others... > > We need to enjoy the moment, be joyful, laugh atleast 20 times a day > and most important make others laugh too. We all need to be less > sensitive and more accomodating, this one is for me, be joyful in > pleasure and pain or praise and criticism. I am trying now to do this > and learning to be the best. > > Please you or others don't shoot miseales at me from whereever you > are :-) and please don't butt me too :-), I have one wife who does it > full time and I have no more quota in my karma bank balance to the > best of my knowledge, ouch it seems now that there may be more ... > > I am not going to be defensive but now I shall shed more light on > things for the benefit of all. > > When anyone does more sincere sadhana and is progressing, a state of > joyfullness engulfs that person internally and externally. He non- > voluntaryly starts sharing it > > I am afriad to state that atleast I fail to see in Narasimha many of > the times. > > I wanted to influence him indirectly about that and all of us, He and > all of us need to be more joyful and cheerful. Also we do a lot of > things mechanically like drinking water, taking shower etc. you know > what I mean. So all I was trying to influence indirectly to Narashima > that > for quoting shastras i.e. where the names are described one does not > need mother's direction, it is for the sake of completeness and it > also helps others if they want to do more research. One can always > describe their own experiance or teaching acquired from others. > > As Narasimha states our email exchange was confusing to him first and > his response to me, am not sure about others or you, more confusion > to .... > > Now I have added even more confusion, but I promise on this subject > it is the last one from my side. > > Have a joyful day. > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , " a_k_r_j " <a_k_r_j@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Mitesh, > > > > I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression > > clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had > the > > good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade > now > > and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his > > writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is > as > > etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels > > that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person who > > has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very > > thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the > people > > in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of > > seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these > > postings on the net. When I look at the development and > > transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes > me > > to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of Vedic > > astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all > > these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes up > > and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the > > benefit of the humanity in general. > > > > I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no > > valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though I > > am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has > risen > > above accolade. > > > > You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his > writings > > and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that will > > not offend the members of the group. Particularly the paragraph " We > > eat… " is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them as > > hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows > > your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's > > spiritual attainments. > > > > I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the > > habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I > > have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful > > writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them. > > > > I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like > > butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much > > less from me:-) > > > > Regards, > > RJ > > > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi > > > > > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked > him > > > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > > > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so > I > > > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their > definitions. > > > > > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on > the > > > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and > not > > > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is > important > > > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than > it > > is > > > always better. > > > > > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > > > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother > told > > > me to do this or that. > > > > > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and > so > > > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide > references > > if > > > there are any. > > > > > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or > anyone > > > else. > > > Best Regards > > > Mitesh > > > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mitesh > > > >  > > > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I > > just > > > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views > on > > > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > > > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through > direct > > > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it > through > > > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such > details > > > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > > > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it > > is > > > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > > > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > > > >  > > > > -Regards > > > >  Rajarshi > > > >  > > > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to > your > > > mail. I just thought of clarifying. > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@> > > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > > > feel > > > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed > up > > > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > > > scriptures, > > > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > > > abilities > > > > and state that too. > > > > > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know > when, > > > how > > > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the > > wrong > > > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if > > we > > > > need. > > > > > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already > be > > > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > > > > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara > > or > > > > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > > > > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good > > things > > > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and > as > > > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > > > > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and > > then > > > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you > > donot > > > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > > > Collabrating is always good. > > > > > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it > with > > a > > > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have > > definition > > > in > > > > black and white. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > > <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > > puran? > > > > > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be > honest. > > > > > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things > I > > > > know. I know > > > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book > and > > > > hence I can > > > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > > > knowledge > > > > just > > > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. > This > > > one > > > > is like > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from > > outside > > > > or from > > > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch > of > > > > salt. > > > > > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and > > merely > > > a > > > > dumb > > > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from > > outside > > > or > > > > from > > > > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ --- > - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > > tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > rologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ --- > - > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ > > > > > > <> > > > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > > puran? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. > Rao " > > > <pvr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Namaste friends, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You ask a very good question. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes > > absorbing > > > > and > > > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and > they > > > > burn in > > > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and > > digested > > > by > > > > > > your internal fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one > is > > > going > > > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for > a > > > > spirit > > > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> * * * > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > > > Sulohita, > > > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > > > spirit > > > > of > > > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb > your > > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a > > wide > > > > open > > > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you > > absorb > > > > your > > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable > > flame. > > > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how > > you > > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that > tongue > > > of > > > > fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit > of > > > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > > > experiences, > > > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > > > Spirit > > > > of > > > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls > > how > > > you > > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that > tongue > > > of > > > > fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression > > and > > > > haste > > > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > > > absorb > > > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > > fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > > > being > > > > and > > > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you > are > > > > offering > > > > > > in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> * * * > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > > > between > > > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will > > reflect > > > > your > > > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, > > the > > > > fire > > > > > > will automatically burn bright. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > > > spiritual > > > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That > in > > > turn > > > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal > fire > > are > > > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which > tongues > > of > > > > the > > > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An > > adept > > > > may > > > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of > fire > > > are > > > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> * * * > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > > > technicality > > > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is > > unneeded. > > > > Though > > > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within > some > > > > limits), > > > > > > it can become a distraction. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows > > internal > > > a > > > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change > together. > > > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just > > happen > > > > > > together. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire > with > > > the > > > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by > itself. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Best regards, > > > > > >> Narasimha > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- > -- > > - > > > - > > > > - > > > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst > rologer.org/ > > > homam > > > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. > home.comcast. > > > net > > > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > > > rologer.org > > > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > > > nath.org > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- > -- > > - > > > - > > > > - > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - > > > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > > > > >> <> > > > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > > > > >> Agni > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Namaste > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -Regards > > > > > >> > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dear Mitesh and Friends, In view of Narasimha’s mail in this connection and Mitesh’s personal email to me, I will restrain from responding to this thread, except to make one request to Mitesh and one observation. Please bear with me. I request Mitesh to go through the exchange with Narasimha one more time with the hope that he will be able to see where the confusion has set in, in the first place. “When anyone does more sincere sadhana and is progressing, a state of joyfullness engulfs that person internally and externally. He non-voluntaryly starts sharing itI am afriad to state that atleast I fail to see in Narasimha many of the times.” I can write a very long response to this statement but instead, will just state that Narasimha has voluntarily and involuntarily shared his knowledge - his actions speak for itself, of that no one can have a shred of doubt, even his most ardent critic!! With this, I thank everyone for being patient through this exchange. Regards, RJ--- On Wed, 2/18/09, m540i98 <m540i98 wrote: m540i98 <m540i98 Re: Agni Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 10:12 AM Dear RJNamasteInteresting, My goodness, what a mess!Dear RJ I suggest you need to be a silent reader in both priase and lighter moments or exchange of disagreements,it really takes time :-).....What good is observing Narasimha for long time .....I am just kidding here, camn down!We are all grown ups we donot need to give gentle reminders to ourselves and others...We need to enjoy the moment, be joyful, laugh atleast 20 times a day and most important make others laugh too. We all need to be less sensitive and more accomodating, this one is for me, be joyful in pleasure and pain or praise and criticism. I am trying now to do this and learning to be the best.Please you or others don't shoot miseales at me from whereever you are :-) and please don't butt me too :-), I have one wife who does it full time and I have no more quota in my karma bank balance to the best of my knowledge, ouch it seems now that there may be more ...I am not going to be defensive but now I shall shed more light on things for the benefit of all.When anyone does more sincere sadhana and is progressing, a state of joyfullness engulfs that person internally and externally. He non-voluntaryly starts sharing itI am afriad to state that atleast I fail to see in Narasimha many of the times.I wanted to influence him indirectly about that and all of us, He and all of us need to be more joyful and cheerful. Also we do a lot of things mechanically like drinking water, taking shower etc. you know what I mean. So all I was trying to influence indirectly to Narashima thatfor quoting shastras i.e. where the names are described one does not need mother's direction, it is for the sake of completeness and it also helps others if they want to do more research. One can always describe their own experiance or teaching acquired from others.As Narasimha states our email exchange was confusing to him first and his response to me, am not sure about others or you, more confusion to ....Now I have added even more confusion, but I promise on this subject it is the last one from my side.Have a joyful day.Best RegardsMitesh, "a_k_r_j" <a_k_r_j > wrote:>> Namaste Mitesh,> > I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression > clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had the > good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade now > and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his > writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is as > etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels > that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person who > has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very > thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the people > in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of > seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these > postings on the net. When I look at the development and > transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes me > to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of Vedic > astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all > these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes up > and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the > benefit of the humanity in general. > > I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no > valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though I > am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has risen > above accolade. > > You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his writings > and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that will > not offend the members of the group. Particularly the paragraph "We > eat…" is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them as > hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows > your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's > spiritual attainments.> > I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the > habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I > have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful > writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them.> > I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like > butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much > less from me:-)> > Regards,> RJ> > , "m540i98" <m540i98@> wrote:> >> > Namaste Rajarshi> > > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked him > > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so I > > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their definitions.> > > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on the > > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and not > > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is important > > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than it > is > > always better.> > > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told > > me to do this or that. > > > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and so > > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide references > if > > there are any.> > > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or anyone > > else.> > Best Regards> > Mitesh> > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > > > > Namaste Mitesh> > >  > > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I > just > > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on > > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct > > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through > > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details > > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it > is > > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi> > >  > > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your > > mail. I just thought of clarifying.> > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote:> > > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@>> > > Re: Agni> > > @ . com> > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > > feel > > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > > scriptures, > > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > > abilities > > > and state that too.> > > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, > > how > > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the > wrong > > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if > we > > > need.> > > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture.> > > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara > or > > > himself or other, I appreciate that.> > > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good > things > > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful.> > > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and > then > > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you > donot > > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > > Collabrating is always good.> > > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with > a > > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have > definition > > in > > > black and white.> > > > > > Best Regards> > > Mitesh> > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran?> > > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest.> > > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > > > know. I know > > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > > > hence I can > > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > > knowledge > > > just > > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This > > one > > > is like > > > > that.> > > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from > outside > > > or from > > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > > > salt.> > > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and > merely > > a > > > dumb > > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from > outside > > or > > > from > > > > within, I merely share with others.> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > Narasimha> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----------> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----------> > > > > > > > > - > > > > "m540i98" <m540i98@ >> > > > <>> > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM> > > > Re: Agni> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha> > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions> > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > puran?> > > > >> > > > > Best Regards> > > > > Mitesh> > > > >> > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > <pvr@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > >>> > > > >> Namaste friends,> > > > >>> > > > >> You ask a very good question.> > > > >>> > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes > absorbing > > > and> > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > > > burn in> > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and > digested > > by> > > > > your internal fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is > > going> > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > > > spirit> > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences.> > > > >>> > > > >> * * *> > > > >>> > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > > Sulohita,> > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi.> > > > >>> > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > > spirit > > > of> > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your> > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a > wide > > > open> > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you > absorb > > > your> > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable > flame.> > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how > you> > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of> > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > > experiences,> > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > > Spirit > > > of> > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls > how > > you> > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > > of > > > fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression > and > > > haste> > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > > absorb> > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > > being > > > and> > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > > > offering> > > > > in that tongue of fire.> > > > >>> > > > >> * * *> > > > >>> > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > > between> > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will > reflect > > > your> > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, > the > > > fire> > > > > will automatically burn bright.> > > > >>> > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > > spiritual> > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in > > turn> > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire > are> > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues > of > > > the> > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now.> > > > >>> > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An > adept > > > may> > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire > > are> > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in.> > > > >>> > > > >> * * *> > > > >>> > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > > technicality> > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is > unneeded. > > > Though> > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > > > limits),> > > > > it can become a distraction.> > > > >>> > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows > internal > > a> > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together.> > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just > happen> > > > > together.> > > > >>> > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with > > the> > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen> > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself.> > > > >>> > > > >> Best regards,> > > > >> Narasimha> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> -> > -> > > -> > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > homam> > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > > net> > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > > rologer.org> > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > > nath.org> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> -> > -> > > - > > > > >>> > > > >> - > > > > >> "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ >> > > > >> <>> > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM> > > > >> Subject: Agni> > > > >>> > > > >> > Namaste> > > > >> >> > > > >> > What do the seven "tongues" of Agni mean?> > > > >> >> > > > >> > -Regards> > > > >> > Rajarshi> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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