Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Dear Mitesh, >We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have >responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told >me to do this or that. :)It was hilarious comments. I thoroughly enjoyed these criticism on my Guru. i am sure he would also have a good laugh. Actually, in my opinion, Narasimha has gone to an emotional zone where he thinks about Mother all the time. I think his love for mother jagadamba makes him to write the way he wrote last message. Regarding SaptJihva explanation, like you, i too got confused. Warm Regards, Utpal , " m540i98 " <m540i98 wrote: > > Namaste Rajarshi > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked him > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so I > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their definitions. > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on the > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and not > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is important > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than it is > always better. > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother told > me to do this or that. > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and so > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide references if > there are any. > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or anyone > else. > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Mitesh > >  > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I just > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views on > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through direct > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it through > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such details > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it is > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > >  > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to your > mail. I just thought of clarifying. > >  > >  > >  > > > >  > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@> > > Re: Agni > > > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > Namaste > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > feel > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed up > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > scriptures, > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > abilities > > and state that too. > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know when, > how > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the wrong > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if we > > need. > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already be > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara or > > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good things > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and as > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and then > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you donot > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > Collabrating is always good. > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it with a > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have definition > in > > black and white. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > <pvr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be honest. > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things I > > know. I know > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book and > > hence I can > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > knowledge > > just > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. This > one > > is like > > > that. > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from outside > > or from > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch of > > salt. > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and merely > a > > dumb > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from outside > or > > from > > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > - > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ > > > > <> > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni puran? > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Namaste friends, > > > >> > > > >> You ask a very good question. > > > >> > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes absorbing > > and > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and they > > burn in > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and digested > by > > > > your internal fire. > > > >> > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one is > going > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for a > > spirit > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > > >> > > > >> * * * > > > >> > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > Sulohita, > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > > >> > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > spirit > > of > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb your > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a wide > > open > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you absorb > > your > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable flame. > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how you > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > of > > fire. > > > >> > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit of > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > experiences, > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > Spirit > > of > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls how > you > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue > of > > fire. > > > >> > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression and > > haste > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > absorb > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > being > > and > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you are > > offering > > > > in that tongue of fire. > > > >> > > > >> * * * > > > >> > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > between > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will reflect > > your > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, the > > fire > > > > will automatically burn bright. > > > >> > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > spiritual > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That in > turn > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal fire are > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which tongues of > > the > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > > >> > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An adept > > may > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of fire > are > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > > >> > > > >> * * * > > > >> > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > technicality > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is unneeded. > > Though > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within some > > limits), > > > > it can become a distraction. > > > >> > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows internal > a > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change together. > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just happen > > > > together. > > > >> > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire with > the > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by itself. > > > >> > > > >> Best regards, > > > >> Narasimha > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------- -- > - > > - > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > net > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > rologer.org > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > nath.org > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------- -- > - > > - > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > > >> <> > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > > >> Agni > > > >> > > > >> > Namaste > > > >> > > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > >> > > > > >> > -Regards > > > >> > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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