Agni - (See this Agni is burning lot of impurities)

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Namaste RJ Bhai,

 

I liked your message very much. I share one sentiment completely -

" His thinking is crystal clear " . i have said this in my message

some 6/8 months back.

please don't think that your message does not carry any value

addition. it does, really does carry lot of value addition.

 

a month back i have written that There will be so many *Rantna*

presnt on this list who choose to remian silent but i request them

(which includes you)to write once in a while to share their Wisdom

on this list so that it helps the people like me and many others.

it'll lessen the burden for Narasimha and also make the archives of

this list more resourceful for current as well as future generation

of members or elase the archives will be full of blabbering from me.

 

***

 

as you said, Narasimha is strong enough. he doesn't require

anybody's support for his writings. as you would have noticed that

he is being criticised invariably for his astrolgical writings. I've

hardly sent any message for support, even if sometimes i get hert

with very harsh comments towards him(Such as Shakti yoga destroying

Jupiters significance etc..) because i know that he doesn't need it

and to be honest because i consider him my Guru, doesn't

allow/validate me to write in support for the issues which i myself

has not understood properly. I need to say one thing here,

especially for Astrological writings of his, that I like his

approach of getting basics right. i have felt for some years now

that his thinking matches my thinking in many ways though i am also

not doubtproof w.r.t. him. i mean i have raised my own doubts to him

whenever they arised. even if they meant herting my dear Garu.

 

***

In my opinion, It is good to laugh at some critical comments which

also has the tickling value. it makes the atmosphere lighter. but i

must say that your way of gently reminding Mitesh was very accurate

and agreeable. am sure Mitesh will agree.

 

having said all these, in my opinion, crtical comments are always

welcome for anybody including Narasimha, when the intentions behind

are genuine and not intended to insult or hert somebody.

 

***

Narasimha might object to this message but as you know i write what

i feel like writing.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Utpal

 

 

, " a_k_r_j " <a_k_r_j wrote:

>

> Namaste Mitesh,

>

> I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression

> clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had

the

> good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade

now

> and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his

> writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is

as

> etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels

> that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person

who

> has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very

> thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the

people

> in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of

> seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these

> postings on the net. When I look at the development and

> transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes

me

> to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of

Vedic

> astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all

> these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes

up

> and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the

> benefit of the humanity in general.

>

> I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no

> valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though

I

> am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has

risen

> above accolade.

>

> You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his

writings

> and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that

will

> not offend the members of the group. Particularly the

paragraph " We

> eat… " is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them

as

> hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows

> your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's

> spiritual attainments.

>

> I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the

> habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I

> have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful

> writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them.

>

> I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like

> butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much

> less from me:-)

>

> Regards,

> RJ

>

> , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Rajarshi

> >

> > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked

him

> > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer

that

> > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so

I

> > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their

definitions.

> >

> > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on

the

> > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and

not

> > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is

important

> > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than

it

> is

> > always better.

> >

> > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have

> > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother

told

> > me to do this or that.

> >

> > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and

so

> > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide

references

> if

> > there are any.

> >

> > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or

anyone

> > else.

> > Best Regards

> > Mitesh

> >

> > , rajarshi nandy

<rajarshi14@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Mitesh

> > >  

> > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I

> just

> > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views

on

> > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations  that

> > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through

direct

> > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it

through

> > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such

details

> > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural

> > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel

it

> is

> > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not

> > necessarily have to be scholar at all.

> > >  

> > > -Regards

> > >  Rajarshi

> > >  

> > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to

your

> > mail. I just thought of clarifying.

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > m540i98 <m540i98@>

> > > Re: Agni

> > >

> > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you.

I

> > feel

> > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed

up

> > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our

> > scriptures,

> > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our

> > abilities

> > > and state that too.

> > >

> > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know

when,

> > how

> > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of

> > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the

> wrong

> > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or

if

> we

> > > need.

> > >

> > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already

be

> > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture.

> > >

> > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source

parampara

> or

> > > himself or other, I appreciate that.

> > >

> > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good

> things

> > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and

as

> > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful.

> > >

> > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and

> then

> > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you

> donot

> > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up.

> > > Collabrating is always good.

> > >

> > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it

with

> a

> > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have

> definition

> > in

> > > black and white.

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > > Mitesh

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni

> puran?

> > > >

> > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be

honest.

> > > >

> > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some

things I

> > > know. I know

> > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book

and

> > > hence I can

> > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some

> > knowledge

> > > just

> > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source.

This

> > one

> > > is like

> > > > that.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from

> outside

> > > or from

> > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch

of

> > > salt.

> > > >

> > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and

> merely

> > a

> > > dumb

> > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from

> outside

> > or

> > > from

> > > > within, I merely share with others.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

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>

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ >

> > > > <>

> > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM

> > > > Re: Agni

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste Narasimha

> > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions

> > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni

> puran?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards

> > > > > Mitesh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao "

> > <pvr@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Namaste friends,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> You ask a very good question.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes

> absorbing

> > > and

> > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and

they

> > > burn in

> > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and

> digested

> > by

> > > > > your internal fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one

is

> > going

> > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands

for a

> > > spirit

> > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> * * *

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava,

> > > Sulohita,

> > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the

> > spirit

> > > of

> > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb

your

> > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a

> wide

> > > open

> > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you

> absorb

> > > your

> > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable

> flame.

> > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls

how

> you

> > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that

tongue

> > of

> > > fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame.

Spirit of

> > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your

> > > experiences,

> > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored

fire.

> > Spirit

> > > of

> > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls

> how

> > you

> > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that

tongue

> > of

> > > fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression

> and

> > > haste

> > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you

> > absorb

> > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of

> fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing,

> > being

> > > and

> > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you

are

> > > offering

> > > > > in that tongue of fire.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> * * *

> > > > >>

> > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed

> > between

> > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will

> reflect

> > > your

> > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and

blissful,

> the

> > > fire

> > > > > will automatically burn bright.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the

> > > spiritual

> > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That

in

> > turn

> > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal

fire

> are

> > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which

tongues

> of

> > > the

> > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An

> adept

> > > may

> > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of

fire

> > are

> > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> * * *

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this

> > technicality

> > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is

> unneeded.

> > > Though

> > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within

some

> > > limits),

> > > > > it can become a distraction.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows

> internal

> > a

> > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change

together.

> > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just

> happen

> > > > > together.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire

with

> > the

> > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen

> > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by

itself.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Best regards,

> > > > >> Narasimha

> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

---

> -

> > -

> > > -

> > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org/

> > homam

> > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic-

wisdom

> > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.

home.comcast.

> > net

> > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst

> > rologer.org

> > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan

> > nath.org

> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

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> > -

> > > -

> > > > >>

> > > > >> -

> > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ >

> > > > >> <>

> > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM

> > > > >> Agni

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > Namaste

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean?

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > -Regards

> > > > >> > Rajarshi

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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