On high profile charts and free will.

Posted May 26, 2009 · May 26, 2009

Namaste Narasmihaji

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" Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political

power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict

the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope

sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a

difference in some high profile charts? "

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There is one thing that we - todays astrologers - miss badly, and that is some

genuine intution. Whatever astrology we practise is only and purely a logical

exercise.

I had the good luck of coming across a man who was possibly the most spiritually

advanced person I have come across till date, who could tell things with such

pin point accuracy that it would put any astrologer to shame.

So intution is a far better way of predicting the future, if one can acquire

that. And since our astrology mostly rests on logical with little or no

intution, it could be the reason why we make mistakes.

Secondly, to assume that political people have a higher degree of freewill (less

binding prarabdha karma) does not make sense. I believe freewill and destiny

have a strange relationship. The more freewill I use today, will increse my

destiny at a later date such that I won't have much maneuverability left. So

that means a political person must have used less amount of freewill inhis

previous birth to be able to use more of it now. But that seems improbable. A

person who uses less freewill is a very spiritual person, he leaves things to

God or takes things as it comes.. Politicians are not exactly that way.

Another thing with Indian polticians is that, many of them do actually indulge

in employing people to do heavy duty tantrik pujas etc to help them out. For

example, when teh UPA Govt was facing the no confidence motion last year, a very

famous Indian politician sent a team of tantriks to perform some pujas at the

Ugra Tara temple in Kamakhya. The homas lasted for 21 days with innumerable

animal sacrifices. I know of quite a few other cases too. Of course the UPA Govt

came out of the problem.

All these do play a part without doubt.

An average astrologer sees at least 10 times more nymber of ordinary charts than

political charts. Even in ordinary charts, mistakes WILL and do happen. But

since the volume of charts is more, we tend to see more successes. In the case

of Political charts, the volume is less, therefore mistakes seem more

pronounced. If we do a statistical analysis, we may see similar ratio of

mistakes in both cases (ordinary vs political charts).

Therefore, the issue is with astrology itself. The factors maybe way too many to

be judged correctly only by rules. Some genuine intution is must.

Just my views.

-Regards

Rajarshi

Posted May 26, 2009 · May 26, 2009

Namaste,

The original mail to which you replied was not sent to , as I keep astrology mails away from this list. However, I realize that the issue of the role of horoscope/destiny vs free will is not too irrelevant here. Thanks for your reply. I am attaching the original mail at the end of this mail.

My main point was that actions of free will modify destiny as captured by the horoscope. Some people are prisoners of their past actions (i.e. destiny) and their free will operates under heavily restricted circumstances. But there are some who have more leeway with their free will. The relevance of free will vs destiny in such cases was the topic.

Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> Namaste Narasmihaji> > ................................................................> "Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile charts?"> > .................................................> > There is one thing that we - todays astrologers - miss badly, and that is some genuine intution. Whatever astrology we practise is only and purely a logical exercise. > > I had the good luck of coming across a man who was possibly the most spiritually advanced person I have come across till date, who could tell things with such pin point accuracy that it would put any astrologer to shame. > > So intution is a far better way of predicting the future, if one can acquire that. And since our astrology mostly rests on logical with little or no intution, it could be the reason why we make mistakes.> > Secondly, to assume that political people have a higher degree of freewill (less binding prarabdha karma) does not make sense. I believe freewill and destiny have a strange relationship. The more freewill I use today, will increse my destiny at a later date such that I won't have much maneuverability left. So that means a political person must have used less amount of freewill inhis previous birth to be able to use more of it now. But that seems improbable. A person who uses less freewill is a very spiritual person, he leaves things to God or takes things as it comes.. Politicians are not exactly that way.> > Another thing with Indian polticians is that, many of them do actually indulge in employing people to do heavy duty tantrik pujas etc to help them out. For example, when teh UPA Govt was facing the no confidence motion last year, a very famous Indian politician sent a team of tantriks to perform some pujas at the Ugra Tara temple in Kamakhya. The homas lasted for 21 days with innumerable animal sacrifices. I know of quite a few other cases too. Of course the UPA Govt came out of the problem.> > All these do play a part without doubt. > > An average astrologer sees at least 10 times more nymber of ordinary charts than political charts. Even in ordinary charts, mistakes WILL and do happen. But since the volume of charts is more, we tend to see more successes. In the case of Political charts, the volume is less, therefore mistakes seem more pronounced. If we do a statistical analysis, we may see similar ratio of mistakes in both cases (ordinary vs political charts).> > Therefore, the issue is with astrology itself. The factors maybe way too many to be judged correctly only by rules. Some genuine intution is must.> > Just my views.> > -Regards> Rajarshi

- Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;

Monday, May 25, 2009 10:11 PM

Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

Namaste,

I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

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For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a little background.

I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do well in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

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It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth etc in "regular" charts.

In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a little more common in high profile political predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the reason?

I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what I mean.

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One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life, especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life events from then onwards.

Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict events.

However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities may have less restrictions and more options available for their free will. With their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercised upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our astrological predictions.

Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes an MP or the leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile charts?

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I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves...

Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

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Dear PVR garu,

Namaste.

If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on Chiranjeevi failed ?

I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to understand if

1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

Best Regards,