Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Narasimha, I apologize for committing mistake of adding astrological content. it was done in enthusiasm. sincere apology. utpal , " ravichilukuri09 " <ravichilukuri09 wrote: > > Namaskar Utpal Bhai, > > Sorry for highlighting the astrological part of your message. > You said: > > >The Kumbha Lagna with Sun, Moon and Mercury. All the 3 most >important Lagna > >coinciding in the Philosophical Kumbha and who can be more focussed >then such a > >person? and again complimented immensly with exalted Mars and >exalted Venus from > >both the sides. and Jupiter and Saturn from the Trines.He is also >the delight of > >Astrologers. > > As per Narasimha's new theory Sun and Venus are changing their placements in Sri Ramakrishna's chart. > > > Satyam Bruyaat Priyam Bruyaat. > > Ravi > > > , " vedic_pathak " <vedic_pathak@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, Narasimha and respected members, > > > > Amazing messesges from Rajarshi and Narasimha. 14th may seems to be an important day:) > > > > my 2 cent... > > > > My order of reading was first Gospel and then Leela Prasanga. The uniqueness of Gospel is that its almost a day to Diary. > > > > No book i've read gives me the same feeling as Gospel. why? because, It instatntly takes you to Dakshineshwar and makes you sit in the sabha of the unbelievable Man. I feel Indebted to M for this work. > > In my opinion 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna " is the most Authentic Autobiographical kind of account in the World. > > > > *** > > A person walking in Dhoti in Bangoli stayle and sometimes strolloing without even that cloth, Asking Bangles and other jewellery to immitate Gopi, Jump like a monkey to imbibe Hanumaan in his very being, cleaning ground with the beard can easily make us belive that he is a Mad Man, a Phsyco, a crazy Man and then again he starts teaching which overpowers super brain of Vivekananda. starts instructing the Scholars like VidyaSagar, Mahendranath Gupta. He removes the pride of Gauri without even debating. Then again he cries like child and asks everybody as to what will happen to his twisted arm. if he will be cured or not, then again he dances like a storm in the kirtan at Balaram's house, Then he cries when he doesnot see Naren even for few days, he simply walks out of his room when asked by Authority of Temple and comes back in the same manner without any noise when requested to come back, Tears rolls from the eyes of He and Naren when later one is about to ask the permission for sanyaas, to whom even prositiutes salutes and curse Matur for planning to corrupt such a man, the man who explains deepest mystic truths in such a simple manner (for e.g. Brahma and Shakti are not different. they are like Milk and its whiteness, like Fire and its burning power, like snake and its wringling motion), the man who looks with child's enthusiasm and wonder, the crowd, the carriages etc.. on the street of calcutta, and again in the Samaadhi, frequently, unaware of the world and objectifications... > > > > The Son of Kali, The man with uncountable moods and yet the most simple. > > > > The Kumbha Lagna with Sun, Moon and Mercury. All the 3 most important Lagna coinciding in the Philosophical Kumbha and who can be more focussed then such a person? and again complimented immensly with exalted Mars and exalted Venus from both the sides. and Jupiter and Saturn from the Trines.He is also the delight of Astrologers. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Utpal > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Nice mail! > > > > > > Ramakrishna is absolutely unique. Though many other masters came to earth in the last few centuries, who perfected some types of spiritual moods or the other, he is someone who perfected everything. He would chant Hari's name, melt with emotion and go into bhaava samaadhi for hours together. He would engage in 64 kriyas of tantra, without his mind being perturbed by anything. He would be in samadhi where he is at the feet of god. He would be in samadhi where he is in oneness with god. He would be in nirvikalpa samadhi where there are no gods, no demons, no beings or objects, but just Aatman or Brahman. > > > > > > The same person who would behave like a small child at times would also show unmatched wisdom all the time. He would transform an illiterate servant boy (Latu) into a great spiritual master (Swami Adbhutananda) who was established in Shiva-consciousness at all times. He would transform an energetic, skeptical, irreverant, independent, rational and highly intelligent young man with several biases (Naren) into a venerable and compassionate saint known as a great teacher around the world (Swami Vivekananda). > > > > > > He practiced karma yoga and his sishyas and the mutt established by them engaged in so much social service across India. He practiced jnaana yoga and his sishyas popularized Adwaita across the world. He even engaged in raja yoga and taught a select few like Vivekananda. He of course practiced bhakti yoga and melted in devotion when thinking of Kaali in the same way as he did when thought of Krishna. He even did Christian and Islamic sadhanas. > > > > > > He not only experienced the Absolute himself, but was capable of making others experience. His mere touch took Vivekananda into samadhi in their second meeting. Vivekananda experienced other higher states later due to Ramakrishna's will (e.g. what happened for a few days after he mocked the Vedantic statement that all is god, in front of Ramakrishna). Even his guru Totapuri who was an adept in Adwaita and experienced nirvikalpa samadhi several times was, for the first time in his life, introduced to the power of the Mother by Ramakrishna. Totapuri considered faith in saguna forms of god as childish and believed only in the formless Brahman. But he left Dakshineshwar with a healthy respect for the Saguna forms. He actually went inside the temple and prostrated before the idol before he left Dakshineshwar! And, there is the kalpataru day, when people started experiencing different levels of spiritual bliss just by touching him. Everyone who touched him that day went into a spiritual ecstasy and stayed in it frozen right there in the garden. Some even went into different levels of samadhi. > > > > > > If this is how the Leela of an incarnation is, imagine how the leela of a poorna purusha like Lord Krishna must have been! > > > > > > I personally love analogies, allegories, metaphors and parables. Ramakrishna was an absolute master of those. He demystified things and taught the highest Truths in simple terms so that everybody can understand the essence. > > > > > > Ramakrishna is an absolutely unique saint who showed that all paths lead to god, not by stating theory, but by demonstrating it practically. > > > > > > Unlike saints like Buddha, Aadi Shankara, Moses and Jesus, he is relatively recent and his life is well-documented. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > The field of duality is like a dream. Being established in Brahman or Aatman is like the wakeful state. All the objects of dream disappear when one is awake. They are unreal. However, they are quite real for one who is still in the dream! And, a roaring lion from a dream and a meowing cat from a dream are so different in their nature, abilities and effect. Even though a jnaani may tell you there is god (Brahman) in everything and all are equal, it is true only for one established in Brahman. If one is awake, a roaring lion from a dream and a meowing cat from a dream are equal. But, to somebody still sleeping, both are so different. > > > > > > Though all beings are but god, different beings play different roles in the field of Maayaa and there is a clear hierarchy. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Spirituality writings: > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > > > > > > ---- rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> wrote: > > > > Dear Utpal, > > > > > > > > I have not read the Kathamrita - so I cannot comment on it really but I found Sri Ramakrishna Lilaprasanga by Swami Saradananda to be an excellent book, exhaustive and detailed in the analysis. Swami Saradananda takes so my pains to beautifully explain various aspects of Ramakrishna's spiritual behaviour and general explanations of spiritual things as well. > > > > > > > > For example it is from this book that I first understood why an Avatar like Ramakrishna had to perform such severe sadhana. Also thiis book gives a detailed recording of Ramakrishna's Tantric sadhanas, how he completed all the 64 kriyas. > > > > > > > > There is one point I have observed with Ramakrishna's teachings.His advises are often specific to the person he was advising. For someone he may say study the Adhyatma Ramayana, for another he advised never to touch the Adhyatma Ramayana! Like a perfect teacher he advised the specific medicine for the specific problem in the path of spirituality that the specific person was facing. > > > > > > > > Second is his fantastic razor sharp intellect. No one gives better examples to explain some aspect of spirituality than Ramakrishna. Simple yet perfect. He uses the intellect to explain yet does not get caught up in the mazes of words. > > > > > > > > Third and most important, the range of spiritual moods he expressed was staggering. With all due to respect to every great master who has walked on this planet, I can't recall another name who has expressed/manifested such diverse spiritual moods. His spiritual journey is not like a bicycle race but rather a seven course meal where he relishes every dish to the core. > > > > > > > > Juding purely from an intellectual perspective, I believe there are some possibility of corruption in the teachings of almost all masters starting from Jesus to Buddha to Shanakara to Guru Nanak to Chaitanya to Vivekanada to Aurobindo . Corruptions not in the teaching per se but corruption arising out of misinterpretation of the words over time. One cannot really blame them for this because it is almost impossible to forsee what turn of events lead to what kind of mindsets which can make their statements/advises defuct or even dangerous over time. > > > > > > > > For example, Jesus says I am the path. Obviously Christians have mistook this to understand that Jesus is the only path. What he ment by I may not be Jesus the man, but Jesus the idea - of purity and of love. > > > > > > > > Buddha gave a practical advise that Nirvana is sunya and practical spirituality is more important than spiritual discussion. People mistook that to understand Budha was as atheist. > > > > > > > > Shanakara, the great man that he was, would have died of a heart attack if he saw the flippant way in which we later day college educated Indians use the phrases like Aham Brahmasmi and everything is Brahman as if we are speaking about the latest movie in town. Also I feel his misjudged certain paths like Tantra. > > > > > > > > Guru Nanak in order to infuse more life into spirituality of Hindus as well as Muslims and bring a comprise in the two ideas decried practises like idol worship and pitri tarpan. > > > > > > > > Chaitanya was the emotional pinnacle of spirituality. He was capable. Others less capable misunderstood the path to feel that without shedding bucket full of tears you wont land at God's doorsteps. Emotions are good, but they can mislead too. > > > > > > > > Vivekananda - absolute leader. Like all leaders, he does make some statements at times which are not well deliberated upon, which results in misinterpretations later on. Of course a leader cannot be expected to think for ten days before speaking one sentence. A leader has to be spontaneous, just like Vivekanada, but the price of spontaneity is misrepresentation at a later date specially if you are fantastic. > > > > > > > > Aurobindo, brilliant and rare analysis of spiritual steps/stages. One that I have never found in any other writing. However the problem is exactly the same. Often people wrongly believe that only by reading and intellectually comprehending Aurobindo;s writings one can make spiritual progress. There is no substitute for raw old fashioned sadhana. > > > > > > > > Please note all these are great men were without question, spiritually much realized. I am merely doing an intellectual analysis from a historial perspective. > > > > > > > > And then Ramakrishna, such a vast range of emotions and practices coupled with simple and pointed examples and advises, it is hardly possible for him to get misinterpreted. He uses Shanakra's phrase " Brahma satya jagat mithya " but he also teaches Totapuri why Mahamaya is so powerful. He seems like a perfect assimilation of all ideas. > > > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 20/11/09, vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak@> > > > > Re: How Ramakrishna deals with a debater. > > > > > > > > Friday, 20 November, 2009, 9:17 PM > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > > > >That is the effect of Ramakrishna, who was born and brought up in a >village in west bengal, who probably could not even sign his own >name. > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna, whom i lovingly address as 'Thakur' is simply Rama and Krishna and no less...... > > > > > > > > And Kathamruta is THE book which has given answers and confirmations to my queries and understandings which haunted me from childhood. When i first tine got the book in my hand and started reading in 2004, I strangely felt that the book seems to be familiar to me. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal and others, > > > > >  > > > > > This discussion about debates etc reminds me of an incident I had read about in the life of Sri Ramakrishna. > > > > >  > > > > > There was a tantrik scholar of great repute in Calcutta named Gauri. The brahmani - who was Thakur's guru - had called Gauri for a session of discussion on the spiritual abilities etc of Thakur. Now Gauri was a very famous debater and a sadhaka who never lost any debate. > > > > > Plus Thakur used to say that Gauri had remakrable siddhis. He used to perform a homa of Ma Kali by stretching out his left hand, piling wood on the bare arm, lighting it and then using his right hand to pour ghee! And the homa would last for an hour or more and he would keep his left hand perfectly still all this while. > > > > >  > > > > > He had a certain siddhi in the use of a mantra of Ma Kali by virtue of which one could never win in a debate against him. Plus he had a deep, resounding voice which Ramakrishna described as the " rumbling of clouds " . > > > > >  > > > > > When Gauri entered the Dakshineshwar temple precinct and saw the Kali temple, he started repeating the mantra mentally. Thakur at that time was coming out of the temple. On seeing Gauri suddenly Ramakrishna started saying that specific mantra (the one Gauri was chanting) loudly so that Gauri could hear. Gauri, on being thus challanged started shouting the mantra even louded. To this Ramakrishna felt as if someone had just given him a divine voice and he too thundered back. Gauri was even more amazed. He roared again but Ramakrishna roared louder. Finally, suddenly Gauri realized he has lost his voice. And his siddhi too! > > > > >  > > > > > At first he was furious with anger and ego but soon he became friends with Ramakrishna. Finally he proclaimed that Ramakrishna was He by a fraction of whose power do Avatars come down on earth. > > > > >  > > > > > Later one day Gauri came to Ramakrishna asking for his blessing to take sanyasa. He quit debating and went away from that place, promising that he would not return untill he realized the Self. Thakur also blessed him according. > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > That is the effect of Ramakrishna, who was born and brought up in a village in west bengal, who probably could not even sign his own name. > > > > >  > > > > > -Regards > > > > >  Rajarshi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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