No Vedic Srichakra Archana Paddathi

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srimaan sriramji

Pranaam

It was surprising to see this version in which it was stated that

there is no srichakra archana in VEDIC Paddathi. Because we are

Pancha bhootatmikas. What ever have evolved later are in the form of

agama poorana upanishads and tantras based on the vedas only what

ever tantric subject we take the final reference will be the vedas.

 

to know shakti in the loka we have 14 vidyas they are

vedas - 4, vedangas - 6 , mimansaa (including sastra vishaya,nyaya

sastra,poorana,dharma sastra). TANTRAS are Dharma sastra antarbhavas.

 

Studying all these subjects is known as sarva vidyopa lakshana or

getting educated in all subjects in all these 14 vidyas the 4 vedas

are the sources hence they become the most important vidyas

and in all these the highest Important being the Gayatri mantra

and srividya is also called as gayatri sanketa or tantrika gayatri

 

Its in the later stages that the tantras crafted the vama achara with

the pancha makaras and taking it until the bhairavi chakra. or simply

called the veda itara (practice outside vedic discipline).

 

Its also said that veda is karma upasana, gnana kaanda triyatmika and

karma upasana are gnana sadhanas.

 

Hence some gurus took the responsibility to bring out vedic method of

srividya.

 

Regarding the various chapters or steps of Sri chakra archana there

all are available in Vedic Methods. It will be too long elobarate

further.

 

with sraddha and bhakti

diwakar

Pranam

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, " Diwakarvlg " <diwakarvlg wrote:

>

> srimaan sriramji

> Pranaam

> It was surprising to see this version in which it was stated that

> there is no srichakra archana in VEDIC Paddathi.

 

Nothing to be surprised about this.

 

> What ever have evolved later are in the form of

> agama poorana upanishads and tantras based on the vedas only what

> ever tantric subject we take the final reference will be the vedas.

 

As a starting exercise maybe you can give a " final vedic reference "

for let us say - ex: pUja of pakShi-durga yantra.

 

> TANTRAS are Dharma sastra antarbhavas.

 

I think above statement is inaccurate.

Some tantra-s talk about dharma but that is not their main topic.

They are independant works with their main topics being worship of

devata-s either for hitta shuddhi or for various ends.

 

 

> Hence some gurus took the responsibility to bring out vedic method

of

> srividya.

 

There is nothing like that.

 

 

>

> Regarding the various chapters or steps of Sri chakra archana there

> all are available in Vedic Methods.

 

Same as above. There is *no* vedic method of shrIvidyA.

 

> we follow tripura sundari pooja kalpa following only the vedic and

> dakshinachara sampradaya

 

There is nothing vedic about dakShiNAchAra. Alternately you are

using the word vedic as a relative term and not in a absolute sense.

 

> more over

> the regular pooja method of vedic sampradaya can be performed on

the

> srichakra

 

Same as above. It is *not* vedic.

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Instead of giving bald statements would it not be better to give line and verse

and assert? Thats the basic rule of tarka shastra.

If we rely simply on assertions we will be going round and round.

 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Diwakarvlg & lt;diwakarvlg & gt; wrote:

 

Diwakarvlg & lt;diwakarvlg & gt;

Re: No Vedic Srichakra Archana Paddathi

 

Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 4:36 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

srimaan sriramji

Pranaam

It was surprising to see this version in which it was stated that

there is no srichakra archana in VEDIC Paddathi. Because we are

Pancha bhootatmikas. What ever have evolved later are in the form of

agama poorana upanishads and tantras based on the vedas only what

ever tantric subject we take the final reference will be the vedas.

[Guest guest]

Dear sankar,

 

I didnot understand whom you are referring to? Please address with name while

giving the mails otherwise it is just confusing whether i have to answer or

diwakar.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

Instead of giving bald statements would it not be better to give line

and verse and assert? Thats the basic rule of tarka shastra.

If we rely simply on assertions we will be going round and round.

 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Diwakarvlg & lt;diwakarvlg & gt; wrote:

 

Diwakarvlg & lt;diwakarvlg & gt;

Re: No Vedic Srichakra Archana Paddathi

 

Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 4:36 PM

 

srimaan sriramji

Pranaam

It was surprising to see this version in which it was stated that

there is no srichakra archana in VEDIC Paddathi. Because we are

Pancha bhootatmikas. What ever have evolved later are in the form of

agama poorana upanishads and tantras based on the vedas only what

ever tantric subject we take the final reference will be the vedas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear diwakar,

 

The word " tantra " finds its root into tanu vistare ie., tanyate vistaaryate

jnanam iti tantra " ie., that which enhances our knowledge towards wisdom and

eventually towards illumination is Tantra.

 

Now, the concept of Sriyantra itself is tantric when you visualise it as

shiva-shaktyatmaka. Now, somebody would say that they would omit mudras, matrika

nyasas, vardhani kalasa sthapana, kamakala yantra lekhana and paatra sthapana,

tiraskarini, kameswari ayudha pujas, mantrini and dandini archana, vishesha

arghya, rahasya tarpana and antaryaga and would ONLY DO SHODASHOPACHARA PUJA

with Srisuktam.

 

Well, i would say that the concept of SHODASHOPACHARA ie., the Concept of

Number 16 itself is Tantric. 16 is the symbolic representation of shodasha

kalas of Chandramandala. And Srividya is Chandrakala Vidya.

 

Even, the Dakshinachara mode of Worship is Tantric in approach which is based

on Agama Shastra.

 

So, the VEDIC WAY OF SRIYANTRA PUJA IS RULED OUT.

 

BUT, the same DEVI is worshipped in the form of VAK. And Upasana of Vak is

Vedic that involves no yantra and no puja. We ordinary mortals cannot do such

form of upasana. Our ancient vedic seers like Dirghatamas, Vamadeva were

upasakas of Vak. Great grammarians like Panini, Katyayana Vararuchi were

upasakas of Vak. Ganapati Muni and TV Kapali Sastry were upasakas of Vak. Sri

Daivarata was upasaka of Vak. Sri Aurobindo was upasaka of Vak. Asyavamasya,

Nasadiya, Vak, Devi, Ratri and some of the rg vedic suktas extoll this Vak.

 

So, for a layman, the Tantric approach is most suitable method of upasana.

 

With regards,

Sriram

 

 

 

Diwakarvlg <diwakarvlg wrote:

srimaan sriramji

Pranaam

It was surprising to see this version in which it was stated that

there is no srichakra archana in VEDIC Paddathi. Because we are

Pancha bhootatmikas. What ever have evolved later are in the form of

agama poorana upanishads and tantras based on the vedas only what

ever tantric subject we take the final reference will be the vedas.

 

to know shakti in the loka we have 14 vidyas they are

vedas - 4, vedangas - 6 , mimansaa (including sastra vishaya,nyaya

sastra,poorana,dharma sastra). TANTRAS are Dharma sastra antarbhavas.

 

Studying all these subjects is known as sarva vidyopa lakshana or

getting educated in all subjects in all these 14 vidyas the 4 vedas

are the sources hence they become the most important vidyas

and in all these the highest Important being the Gayatri mantra

and srividya is also called as gayatri sanketa or tantrika gayatri

 

Its in the later stages that the tantras crafted the vama achara with

the pancha makaras and taking it until the bhairavi chakra. or simply

called the veda itara (practice outside vedic discipline).

 

Its also said that veda is karma upasana, gnana kaanda triyatmika and

karma upasana are gnana sadhanas.

 

Hence some gurus took the responsibility to bring out vedic method of

srividya.

 

Regarding the various chapters or steps of Sri chakra archana there

all are available in Vedic Methods. It will be too long elobarate

further.

 

with sraddha and bhakti

diwakar

Pranam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am not referring to any individual here or anywhere. I was just saying that

when assertions are made quoting authority for the statements would be of use. I

am NOT starting or interfereing in any debate.

 

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, venkata sriram & lt;sriram_sapthasathi & gt; wrote:

 

venkata sriram & lt;sriram_sapthasathi & gt;

Re: Re: No Vedic Srichakra Archana Paddathi

 

Thursday, June 5, 2008, 10:21 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear sankar,

 

I did not understand whom you are referring to? Please address with name while

giving the mails otherwise it is just confusing whether I have to answer or

diwakar.