Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Dear Members, Is there a difference between initiation and Deeksha. Is it necessary to have initiation for every Mantra or are there any exceptions Thanks Balaji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 diksha is a wholistic approach of to upasana that involves the initiation. The upasaka who has undergone purnabhisheka that involves initiation of shad-amnayas is qualified to chant any mantra even though he is not initiated by his guru. Having undergone purnabhisheka alongwith anandanatha diksha nama, he can initiate another person into the mantra anushtana. But prior to that, the guru should perform the purascharana of the mantras properly. regards, sriram , " subrabalaji " <subrabalaji wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Is there a difference between initiation and Deeksha. > > Is it necessary to have initiation for every Mantra or are there any > exceptions > > Thanks > Balaji > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Purnaabishekam alone is not sufficient, The Guru must confer on the sishya " Sarva Mantra Adhikaro Bhaveth " and also give him the Peeta Athikaram.This is what we in Siddhamalli Parampara follow. Blessings to all. S.SHANGARANARAYANAN : sriram_sapthasathi: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:00:16 +0000 Re: Initiation and Deeksha diksha is a wholistic approach of to upasana that involves the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH Friends: I have also heard that just having pUrNAbhishekam does not automatically confer the right to initiate another person, unless the Guru actually gives permission to do so. What is the position of all of the mandalIs on this ? Thanks. KR shri mAtre namaH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Dear sangaranarayanan, Purnabhishekam is sufficient but one's guru has to give the permission. But the disciple having undergone purnabhisheka has no right to initiate till his gurunatha is alive. There may be higher dikshas after purnabhisheka but that is the difference in guru sampradayas. Because, to GET INITIATED IN SHODASHI, GURU TRAYA, MAHAPADUKA FROM SAT-SAMPRADAYA AND SAT-GURU ITSELF IS A LIFE TIME ACHIEVEMENT WHICH ENTIRELY DEPENDS ON OUR GOOD DEEDS IN OUR PREVIOUS LIVES AND AMBAAL'S GRACE. WHAT TO SPEAK OF HIGHER DIKSHAS AFTER PURNABHISHEKA. With regards, sriram , S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote: > > Purnaabishekam alone is not sufficient, The Guru must confer on the sishya " Sarva Mantra Adhikaro Bhaveth " and also give him the Peeta Athikaram.This is what we in Siddhamalli Parampara follow. > Blessings to all. > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > > > : sriram_sapthasathi: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:00:16 +0000 Re: Initiation and Deeksha > > > > > diksha is a wholistic approach of to upasana that involves the > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Dear SriRam,                              " But the disciple having undergone purnabhisheka has no right to initiate till his gurunatha is alive "  The above statement may not holds good and there is nothing like this any where written and this concept is totally wrong. I have seen so mayn people which have done like this. Kindly check.  with regards Kamesh   Dear sangaranarayanan, Purnabhishekam is sufficient but one's guru has to give the permission. But the disciple having undergone purnabhisheka has no right to initiate till his gurunatha is alive .. There may be higher dikshas after purnabhisheka but that is the difference in guru sampradayas. Because, to GET INITIATED IN SHODASHI, GURU TRAYA, MAHAPADUKA FROM SAT-SAMPRADAYA AND SAT-GURU ITSELF IS A LIFE TIME ACHIEVEMENT WHICH ENTIRELY DEPENDS ON OUR GOOD DEEDS IN OUR PREVIOUS LIVES AND AMBAAL'S GRACE. WHAT TO SPEAK OF HIGHER DIKSHAS AFTER PURNABHISHEKA. With regards, sriram @ .com, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai@. ..> wrote: > > Purnaabishekam alone is not sufficient, The Guru must confer on the sishya " Sarva Mantra Adhikaro Bhaveth " and also give him the Peeta Athikaram.This is what we in Siddhamalli Parampara follow. > Blessings to all. > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > > > : sriram_sapthasathi@ ...: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:00:16 +0000 Re: Initiation and Deeksha > > > > > diksha is a wholistic approach of to upasana that involves the > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Though there is no sastra pramana to this, this is the humility one shows towards one's gurunatha. How can we take the responsibility of gurutva in the presence of one's gurunatha. This holds good when the guru and sishya are merged into one entity. Without proper purascharana, tarpana, etc. one should not initiate. People are initiating because they are unaware of the implications and repurcussions of taking the responsibility of the gurutva. Now, if one says after getting the purnadiksha, oneself and his gurunatha have merged, they have to decide themselves how far they gone in sadhana. regards, sriram , KAMESWARARAO MULA <kamesh_ccmb wrote: > > Dear SriRam, > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â " But the disciple having undergone purnabhisheka has no > right to initiate till his gurunatha is alive " > Â > The above statement may not holds good and there is nothing like this any where written and this concept is totally wrong. I have seen so mayn people which have done like this. > Kindly check. > Â > with regards > Kamesh > > Â > > Â Dear sangaranarayanan, > > Purnabhishekam is sufficient but one's guru has to give the > permission. But the disciple having undergone purnabhisheka has no > right to initiate till his gurunatha is alive > . > There may be higher dikshas after purnabhisheka but that is the > difference in guru sampradayas. Because, to GET INITIATED IN > SHODASHI, GURU TRAYA, MAHAPADUKA FROM SAT-SAMPRADAYA AND SAT-GURU > ITSELF IS A LIFE TIME ACHIEVEMENT WHICH ENTIRELY DEPENDS ON OUR GOOD > DEEDS IN OUR PREVIOUS LIVES AND AMBAAL'S GRACE. WHAT TO SPEAK OF > HIGHER DIKSHAS AFTER PURNABHISHEKA. > > With regards, > sriram > > @ .com, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai@ ..> > wrote: > > > > Purnaabishekam alone is not sufficient, The Guru must confer on the > sishya " Sarva Mantra Adhikaro Bhaveth " and also give him the Peeta > Athikaram.This is what we in Siddhamalli Parampara follow. > > Blessings to all. > > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > > > > > > > @: sriram_sapthasathi@ ...: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:00:16 > +0000 Re: Initiation and Deeksha > > > > > > > > > > diksha is a wholistic approach of to upasana that involves the > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Dear Sriram, Thanks. One should not forget the fact, if the sishya given the necessary powers, initiates his sishya and performs poornabhishekam, then his guru reaches the parameshti guru status even during his living life. Therefore it is wrong to assume that one should not initiate any disciple during his gurunathas living conditions. S.Shangaranarayanan : sriram_sapthasathi: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:50:51 +0000 Re: Initiation and Deeksha Dear sangaranarayanan,Purnabhishekam is sufficient but one's guru has to give the permission. But the disciple having undergone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I want to know ,how SANYAS DIKSHA PERFORM. WHAT MANTRA HE GETS AFTER SANYAS.WHAT IS THE DANDI SANYASI.HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM OTHER SANYASI. IS SANYASI REQUIRE PURNA ABHISHEK DIKSHA. WHAT IS THE METHOD OF DANDA TARPAN. REGARDS, SRIVIDYANAND On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:48 PM, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsaiwrote: > Dear Sriram, > > Thanks. One should not forget the fact, if the sishya given the necessary > powers, initiates his sishya and performs poornabhishekam, then his guru > reaches the parameshti guru status even during his living life. Therefore it > is wrong to assume that one should not initiate any disciple during his > gurunathas living conditions. > S.Shangaranarayanan > > <%40From>: > sriram_sapthasathi <sriram_sapthasathi%40grouply.comDate>: > Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:50:51 +0000 Re: Initiation and Deeksha > > > Dear sangaranarayanan,Purnabhishekam is sufficient but one's guru has to > give the permission. But the disciple having undergone > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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