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In addition to the nishvAsa guhya and somashaMbhu paddhati, appaya dIkShita in

his shivArchana chandrika

" nirmAlyAnyuddhR^itya sadAshivanirmAlyaM prAgIshadishi

vinyastagandhapuShpanirmAlyAbhyAM saha aishAnyAM dishi caNDeshAya nivedayet.h "

 

However he further says in the nirmAlya bhojana section that only those who are

shiva dIkShita-s can have the nirmAlya. Not others.

 

Furthermore, he says

" bANaliGge care lohe ratnaliGge svayaMbhuvi

| pratimAsu ca sarvAsu na caNDo'dhikRto bhavet || liGgesvAyaMbhuvebANe

ratnajerasanirmite | siddhapratiSThiteliGgena caNDodhikRtobhavet | iti ca

vacanAdityeke | calaliGgAdiSu caNDAdhikAro nAstIti vacanAni

vaidikapaurANika vAmadakSiNatantrAdiviSayANi | natu

kAmikAdisiddhAntaviSayANi "

 

So for a bANa, loha, ratna, svayambhU li~Nga-s and for images(shiva images?)

chaNDa does not have adhikAra. Likewise for li~Nga-s installed by siddha

puruSha-s, ratna, rasa li~Nga-s chaNDa has no adhikAra.

 

That for chala li~Nga-s too chaNDa does not have adhikAra is stated in vaidika,

paurANika, vAma and dakShiNa tantra-s but not in siddhAnta Agama-s like kAmika

etc.

 

Based on this last sentence it seems to be important to stick to one's tradition

whether their pUja is based on smArta or shaiva or other traditions.

 

There are statements for and against taking shiva nirmAlya. So when one visits a

shiva temple they should stick to that temple tradition.

 

I will discuss this topic in more detail later.Others are welcome to elaborate

on this topic for the benefit of all.

 

Regards

 

, " Satish " <satisharigela wrote:

>

> The nishvAsaguhya Agama/saMhita which is one of the earliest shaiva Agama has

this to say on nirmAlya

>

> " Ucchus.ma with the elimination of impure substances is seen in

> the Ni´sv¯asaguhya, which makes Ucchus.marudra preside in a city of iron that

bears his name in the first of the subterranean paradises known as the

P¯at¯alas. This, we are told, is the destiny of souls who have allowed the

substances left from ´Siva's worship to fall to the ground. Here they worship

Can.d.e´sa(/Can.d.e´svara), the ferocious Gan.a of ´Siva to whom such remnants

are to be offered in Saiddh¯antika worship, in order to remove the danger they

pose. "

>

> Quote is from one of Alexis Sanderson's paper on Atharvavedins.

>

> In the soma shaMbhu paddhati during chaNDa pUja, the follosing shloka is

recited along with otehr mantra-s,

> " nirmAlya bhojanaM tubhyaM pradattaM tu shivAGYayA.. etc "

>

> Maybe there is just more than one way to do this...

>

>

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Dear satish,

 

Going as per this siddhanta that chandishwara has no adhikara to receive the

nirmalya of the worship done to bana linga etc., then how come the mantra

" uttaratah chandishwaraya namah nirmalyam visrujya " be contemplated during

devatarchana which consists of sphatika / bana linga.

 

Further, the bodhayana states two things: one is nirmalya and other is naivedya.

Nirmalya is taken by chandisha (which is done prior to naivedya) and naivedya is

partaken by rudra ganas like bana, ravana, nandi, bhringi etc.

 

The rudra ganas are the pure souls whose sole purpose is to get the siva

anugraha and partake siva prasada. And hence, siva after having his share of

naivedya, distributes it to the rudra ganas. Thus, both the rudra ganas and siva

get tripthi. Just as we offer the naivedya to ucchista chandali.

 

Please clarify.

 

with regards,

sriram

 

, " Satish " <satisharigela wrote:

>

> In addition to the nishvAsa guhya and somashaMbhu paddhati, appaya dIkShita in

his shivArchana chandrika

> " nirmAlyAnyuddhR^itya sadAshivanirmAlyaM prAgIshadishi

vinyastagandhapuShpanirmAlyAbhyAM saha aishAnyAM dishi caNDeshAya nivedayet.h "

>

> However he further says in the nirmAlya bhojana section that only those who

are shiva dIkShita-s can have the nirmAlya. Not others.

>

> Furthermore, he says

> " bANaliGge care lohe ratnaliGge svayaMbhuvi

> | pratimAsu ca sarvAsu na caNDo'dhikRto bhavet || liGgesvAyaMbhuvebANe

> ratnajerasanirmite | siddhapratiSThiteliGgena caNDodhikRtobhavet | iti ca

> vacanAdityeke | calaliGgAdiSu caNDAdhikAro nAstIti vacanAni

> vaidikapaurANika vAmadakSiNatantrAdiviSayANi | natu

> kAmikAdisiddhAntaviSayANi "

>

> So for a bANa, loha, ratna, svayambhU li~Nga-s and for images(shiva images?)

chaNDa does not have adhikAra. Likewise for li~Nga-s installed by siddha

puruSha-s, ratna, rasa li~Nga-s chaNDa has no adhikAra.

>

> That for chala li~Nga-s too chaNDa does not have adhikAra is stated in

vaidika, paurANika, vAma and dakShiNa tantra-s but not in siddhAnta Agama-s like

kAmika etc.

>

> Based on this last sentence it seems to be important to stick to one's

tradition whether their pUja is based on smArta or shaiva or other traditions.

>

> There are statements for and against taking shiva nirmAlya. So when one visits

a shiva temple they should stick to that temple tradition.

>

> I will discuss this topic in more detail later.Others are welcome to elaborate

on this topic for the benefit of all.

>

> Regards

>

> , " Satish " <satisharigela@> wrote:

> >

> > The nishvAsaguhya Agama/saMhita which is one of the earliest shaiva Agama

has this to say on nirmAlya

> >

> > " Ucchus.ma with the elimination of impure substances is seen in

> > the Ni´sv¯asaguhya, which makes Ucchus.marudra preside in a city of iron

that bears his name in the first of the subterranean paradises known as the

P¯at¯alas. This, we are told, is the destiny of souls who have allowed the

substances left from ´Siva's worship to fall to the ground. Here they worship

Can.d.e´sa(/Can.d.e´svara), the ferocious Gan.a of ´Siva to whom such remnants

are to be offered in Saiddh¯antika worship, in order to remove the danger they

pose. "

> >

> > Quote is from one of Alexis Sanderson's paper on Atharvavedins.

> >

> > In the soma shaMbhu paddhati during chaNDa pUja, the follosing shloka is

recited along with otehr mantra-s,

> > " nirmAlya bhojanaM tubhyaM pradattaM tu shivAGYayA.. etc "

> >

> > Maybe there is just more than one way to do this...

> >

> >

>

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calaliGgAdiSu caNDAdhikAro nAstIti vacanAni vaidika paurANika vAma dakSiNa

tantrAdi viSayANi | *na tu kAmikAdisiddhAntaviSayANi*

 

May be the double negative is confusing. The author mentions that as per

vaidika, paurANika, and tantras vama and dakShiNa (I believe tantras like the

vINAshikhA and bhairava families) there is no nirmAlya for chaNDa.

 

The *na tu* : *but not* negates all the previous commentary including he earlier

statement of bANa, rasa etc shivali~Ngas. So it it would mean but not according

to siddhAnta tantras, which means: according to siddhAnta tantras it is

permissible to give nirmAlya to chaNDesha. In siddhAnta like mR^igendra paddhati

even the sun is worshiped as shiva an nirmalya is given to tejashchaNDa who is

like chaNDesha in that case. The shaMbhupuShpA~njali that was used in both north

and south India also states that chaNDesha gets nirmAlya. This book is also

according to siddhAnta tradition. So all li~nga-s will use chaNDesha as

nirmAlya-bhuk in siddhAnta tradition. As far as I know, among shaivas chaNDesha

was only worshiped among lakulishas/kalamukhas and saiddhAntikas and among

vaiShNava by those whole follow pure pA~ncharAtra Agamas. So in bhairava based

traditions like shrIvidyA or pure smArta shivapUja he is not a called.

 

RR

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Dear satish,

 

You are right in stating that only siva dikshitas can have the nirmalya bhojana.

Apart from that, the vatula agama says on this issue:

 

" prashAntamanaso vidvanso nirmAlya mEva bhakShayanti - ashAntamanasAm tu

sivanirmAlyAdou nAdhikArah " .

 

Further the " saivotsava ratnakarah " says //pArthivE cha svayam bhUtE

yam sphAtikE rasanirmitE - bANa lingE tathaivArShE na chanDasyAdhikAratA//

 

with regards,

sriram

 

, " Satish " <satisharigela wrote:

>

> In addition to the nishvAsa guhya and somashaMbhu paddhati, appaya dIkShita in

his shivArchana chandrika

> " nirmAlyAnyuddhR^itya sadAshivanirmAlyaM prAgIshadishi

vinyastagandhapuShpanirmAlyAbhyAM saha aishAnyAM dishi caNDeshAya nivedayet.h "

>

> However he further says in the nirmAlya bhojana section that only those who

are shiva dIkShita-s can have the nirmAlya. Not others.

>

> Furthermore, he says

> " bANaliGge care lohe ratnaliGge svayaMbhuvi

> | pratimAsu ca sarvAsu na caNDo'dhikRto bhavet || liGgesvAyaMbhuvebANe

> ratnajerasanirmite | siddhapratiSThiteliGgena caNDodhikRtobhavet | iti ca

> vacanAdityeke | calaliGgAdiSu caNDAdhikAro nAstIti vacanAni

> vaidikapaurANika vAmadakSiNatantrAdiviSayANi | natu

> kAmikAdisiddhAntaviSayANi "

>

> So for a bANa, loha, ratna, svayambhU li~Nga-s and for images(shiva images?)

chaNDa does not have adhikAra. Likewise for li~Nga-s installed by siddha

puruSha-s, ratna, rasa li~Nga-s chaNDa has no adhikAra.

>

> That for chala li~Nga-s too chaNDa does not have adhikAra is stated in

vaidika, paurANika, vAma and dakShiNa tantra-s but not in siddhAnta Agama-s like

kAmika etc.

>

> Based on this last sentence it seems to be important to stick to one's

tradition whether their pUja is based on smArta or shaiva or other traditions.

>

> There are statements for and against taking shiva nirmAlya. So when one visits

a shiva temple they should stick to that temple tradition.

>

> I will discuss this topic in more detail later.Others are welcome to elaborate

on this topic for the benefit of all.

>

> Regards

>

> , " Satish " <satisharigela@> wrote:

> >

> > The nishvAsaguhya Agama/saMhita which is one of the earliest shaiva Agama

has this to say on nirmAlya

> >

> > " Ucchus.ma with the elimination of impure substances is seen in

> > the Ni´sv¯asaguhya, which makes Ucchus.marudra preside in a city of iron

that bears his name in the first of the subterranean paradises known as the

P¯at¯alas. This, we are told, is the destiny of souls who have allowed the

substances left from ´Siva's worship to fall to the ground. Here they worship

Can.d.e´sa(/Can.d.e´svara), the ferocious Gan.a of ´Siva to whom such remnants

are to be offered in Saiddh¯antika worship, in order to remove the danger they

pose. "

> >

> > Quote is from one of Alexis Sanderson's paper on Atharvavedins.

> >

> > In the soma shaMbhu paddhati during chaNDa pUja, the follosing shloka is

recited along with otehr mantra-s,

> > " nirmAlya bhojanaM tubhyaM pradattaM tu shivAGYayA.. etc "

> >

> > Maybe there is just more than one way to do this...

> >

> >

>

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