Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear sir, Which agama / tantra approves installation of Meru is Saibaba temples? regs, sriram , S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote: > > Dear Brother, > > Loko binnaruchihi. it is your pleasure to do what you want to do. None can stand between you and the Guru. When one cannot see that Sairam is Divine Mother and Divine Mother is sai ram, who can convince such a person.it is the desire of the devotees to have both and it does not mean one is loweer than the other. Unity in diversity is the introspection. > > S.Shangarnaarayanan > > > > > antarurjas > Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:24:40 -0700 > Re: Re: meru > > Dear Sangaranarayanaji > > Thanks for your response. Obviously you seem to have evolved to a stage of saying, that you can ensure the saannidhyam of a sannidhi by meru prathishTa, where SHE is the primary " object " of worship, or not. In this example, people will come to pray Sairam in that temple and that somehow will get translated to prayer to srichakrarAjAnilayA and they will derive the benefit.Good. So be it. loka samasthA sukhino bhavanthu.Still wonder why Meru. If forms are equal, one wonders why not a nArAyaNa yanthra or a shiva yanthra? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 May I add my bit;What is an yanthra?Why is it evolved?What is the method to trace it?Similarly Manthras and their pictorial representation in dhyana sloka.We must be clear in perceiving them.For example(it may not be exactly equal to)Rajaji was governor General and Chief Minister; When he was Governor genral He sat in Parliament house and when CM he was in Assembly; Both cannot be equated for the same person as long as he is personified.Yanthras are Geometric Symbolical representation for a particular deity with prescribed form; and it is a plan of its residence, its elevation is that palace in 3D;As such only particular yanthra should be installed and the pujas can be performed with that avarana Devathas; For different forms all yanthras as we like cannot be installed. This is my knowledge as gained from my Guru. With regards S.Krishnamoorthy ________________________________ sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Wednesday, 24 June, 2009 11:45:50 AM which tantra / agama approves? Dear sir, Which agama / tantra approves installation of Meru is Saibaba temples? regs, sriram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear krishnamurthy, Namaste. You have rightly observed and your views conform to the sampradaya. sampradAyEshwaryai namah ie., my prostrations to the Queen of Srividya SampradAya. regs, sriram , krishna murthy <sukapriya2000 wrote: > > May I add my bit;What is an yanthra?Why is it evolved?What is the method to trace it?Similarly Manthras and their pictorial representation in dhyana sloka.We must be clear in perceiving them.For example(it may not be exactly equal to)Rajaji was governor General and Chief Minister; When he was Governor genral He sat in Parliament house and when CM he was in Assembly; Both cannot be equated for the same person as long as he is personified.Yanthras are Geometric Symbolical representation for a particular deity with prescribed form; and it is a plan of its residence, its elevation is that palace in 3D;As such only particular yanthra should be installed and the pujas can be performed with that avarana Devathas; For different forms all yanthras as we like cannot be installed. This is my knowledge as gained from my Guru. > With regards S.Krishnamoorthy > > ________________________________ > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi > > Wednesday, 24 June, 2009 11:45:50 AM > which tantra / agama approves? > > Dear sir, > > Which agama / tantra approves installation of Meru is Saibaba temples? > > regs, > sriram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 All examples have limitations. Of the different yantra-s shriichakra is different - I have heard Sri Jayendra Saraswati swamigal say that you can keep it without formal pooja at home and other places. Recently, I heard the same thing again on Sri Goda Venkata Sastrigal's 1st lecture on saundaryalahari (link was posted to ). He says a simple offering of a flower and a namaskaram is enough. Even if you disagree with them, I hope you will agree that they are eminent men and great scholars. It shows that there are alternate views. krishna murthy wrote: > May I add my bit;What is an yanthra?Why is it evolved?What is the method to trace it?Similarly Manthras and their pictorial representation in dhyana sloka.We must be clear in perceiving them.For example(it may not be exactly equal to)Rajaji was governor General and Chief Minister; When he was Governor genral He sat in Parliament house and when CM he was in Assembly; Both cannot be equated for the same person as long as he is personified.Yanthras are Geometric Symbolical representation for a particular deity with prescribed form; and it is a plan of its residence, its elevation is that palace in 3D;As such only particular yanthra should be installed and the pujas can be performed with that avarana Devathas; For different forms all yanthras as we like cannot be installed. This is my knowledge as gained from my Guru. > With regards S.Krishnamoorthy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I do not disagree with any one since I feel them divine.It is only my piece of understanding and subscription. ________________________________ MSR <abhayambika Thursday, 25 June, 2009 5:18:05 AM Re: which tantra / agama approves? All examples have limitations. Of the different yantra-s shriichakra is different - I have heard Sri Jayendra Saraswati swamigal say that you can keep it without formal pooja at home and other places. Recently, I heard the same thing again on Sri Goda Venkata Sastrigal's 1st lecture on saundaryalahari (link was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear ravi, Parasurama Kalpa Sutra clearly states that unless one is initiated in Panchadasi / Shodasi, one cannot keep the meru and worship or else one is bound to get yogini shapa. I think Shri Vijaya Ganapati-ji, one of our revered members, who knows Shri Goda Shastrigal can comment on this. While i don't know Shri Goda Sastrigal personally, couple of my close friends are direct disciples of shri Shastrigal and i would personally confirm the statement and if it is true then i would take back my statement. But statement of Shri Jayendra Saraswathi has surprised me being a muthadhipati how can the swamigal make such remarks. with regards, sriram , MSR <abhayambika wrote: > > All examples have limitations. > > Of the different yantra-s shriichakra is different - I have heard Sri > Jayendra Saraswati swamigal say that you can keep it without formal > pooja at home and other places. Recently, I heard the same thing again > on Sri Goda Venkata Sastrigal's 1st lecture on saundaryalahari (link was > posted to ). He says a simple offering of a flower and a > namaskaram is enough. > > Even if you disagree with them, I hope you will agree that they are > eminent men and great scholars. It shows that there are alternate views. > > > > > > krishna murthy wrote: > > May I add my bit;What is an yanthra?Why is it evolved?What is the method to trace it?Similarly Manthras and their pictorial representation in dhyana sloka.We must be clear in perceiving them.For example(it may not be exactly equal to)Rajaji was governor General and Chief Minister; When he was Governor genral He sat in Parliament house and when CM he was in Assembly; Both cannot be equated for the same person as long as he is personified.Yanthras are Geometric Symbolical representation for a particular deity with prescribed form; and it is a plan of its residence, its elevation is that palace in 3D;As such only particular yanthra should be installed and the pujas can be performed with that avarana Devathas; For different forms all yanthras as we like cannot be installed. This is my knowledge as gained from my Guru. > > With regards S.Krishnamoorthy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Respected sirs, May I express a few thoughts to this regard. My Grandfather Late PK Shanmuganathan was an exponent in Tantras, Agamas and Sastras. In his book on Sri-Vidya ( Published by Sringeri Mutt in early 40s and a commentary on Abirami Andhathi in reference to Shakteya Philosophy and Tantras, he has clearly quoted that anyone is eligible to either keep a Sri Chakra Yantra or Mahameru in their house provided they are adopted to such a Philosophy to the Worship of Mother Godess, but only those initiated into minimum Panchadasi are eligible to perform the Navavarana Pooja to the Sri Yantra they adore.? --- On Wed, 6/24/09, sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Re: which tantra / agama approves? Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 11:26 PM Dear ravi, Parasurama Kalpa Sutra clearly states that unless one is initiated in Panchadasi / Shodasi, one cannot keep the meru and worship or else one is bound to get yogini shapa. I think Shri Vijaya Ganapati-ji, one of our revered members, who knows Shri Goda Shastrigal can comment on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Ravi, If Swami Shri Jayendra Saraswatiji has said something like this, I am sure,?His words must have been misunderstood?or He is being quoted out of context.? Regards Rohit? ________________________________ MSR <abhayambika Thursday, 25 June, 2009 5:18:05 AM Re: which tantra / agama approves? All examples have limitations. Of the different yantra-s shriichakra is different - I have heard Sri Jayendra Saraswati swamigal say that you can keep it without formal pooja at home and other places. Recently, I heard the same thing again on Sri Goda Venkata Sastrigal's 1st lecture on saundaryalahari (link was posted to ). He says a simple offering of a flower and a namaskaram is enough. Even if you disagree with them, I hope you will agree that they are eminent men and great scholars. It shows that there are alternate views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 After having spoken with my 2 friends who are direct disciples of Goda Sastrigal and Shri Vijaya Ganapati, the conclusion is that: ...............these are the words of the direct disciples of Shri Goda Shastrigal & Shri Muttam Kanchi who were blessed by Mahaperiyaval............ i) Both Periyaval and Goda Shastrigal have been quoted out of context ii) Frankly speaking, Goda Shastrigal was *against* the publication of his lectures *online* lest his objective would be misinterpreted* just it has been done now iii) Kanchi Mahaperiyaval was very particular on the issue of keeping merus and insisted strict adherence to the nitya / naimittika karmas and initiation into panchadasi / shodasi. And Jayendra Saraswathi would always respect his guru vakya and would never ever speak out of context. iv) Audience of Goda Sastrigal are the initiates of Panchadasi and hence his words of advice might have been directed to the initiates of Panchadasi. Unfortunately, these words have been misquoted out of context. v) Kindly do not mislead the audience with these remarks. Sat-sampradaya is the main pillar of srividya upasana. with regs, sriram , MSR <abhayambika wrote: > > All examples have limitations. > > Of the different yantra-s shriichakra is different - I have heard Sri > Jayendra Saraswati swamigal say that you can keep it without formal > pooja at home and other places. Recently, I heard the same thing again > on Sri Goda Venkata Sastrigal's 1st lecture on saundaryalahari (link was > posted to ). He says a simple offering of a flower and a > namaskaram is enough. > > Even if you disagree with them, I hope you will agree that they are > eminent men and great scholars. It shows that there are alternate views. > > > > > > krishna murthy wrote: > > May I add my bit;What is an yanthra?Why is it evolved?What is the method to trace it?Similarly Manthras and their pictorial representation in dhyana sloka.We must be clear in perceiving them.For example(it may not be exactly equal to)Rajaji was governor General and Chief Minister; When he was Governor genral He sat in Parliament house and when CM he was in Assembly; Both cannot be equated for the same person as long as he is personified.Yanthras are Geometric Symbolical representation for a particular deity with prescribed form; and it is a plan of its residence, its elevation is that palace in 3D;As such only particular yanthra should be installed and the pujas can be performed with that avarana Devathas; For different forms all yanthras as we like cannot be installed. This is my knowledge as gained from my Guru. > > With regards S.Krishnamoorthy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 A great relief.? I was sure that such eminent persons could have never spoken something? against the traditional practise. my heartfelt thanks to Shriram for this Regards Rohit ________________________________ sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Thursday, 25 June, 2009 12:45:50 PM Re: which tantra / agama approves? After having spoken with my 2 friends who are direct disciples of Goda Sastrigal and Shri Vijaya Ganapati, the conclusion is that: ............. ..these are the words of the direct disciples of Shri Goda Shastrigal & Shri Muttam Kanchi who were blessed by Mahaperiyaval. ......... .. i) Both Periyaval and Goda Shastrigal have been quoted out of context ii) Frankly speaking, Goda Shastrigal was *against* the publication of his lectures *online* lest his objective would be misinterpreted* just it has been done now iii) Kanchi Mahaperiyaval was very particular on the issue of keeping merus and insisted strict adherence to the nitya / naimittika karmas and initiation into panchadasi / shodasi. And Jayendra Saraswathi would always respect his guru vakya and would never ever speak out of context. iv) Audience of Goda Sastrigal are the initiates of Panchadasi and hence his words of advice might have been directed to the initiates of Panchadasi. Unfortunately, these words have been misquoted out of context. v) Kindly do not mislead the audience with these remarks. Sat-sampradaya is the main pillar of srividya upasana. with regs, sriram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Entire lecture is online, listen it for yourself. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:15 AM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > > After having spoken with my 2 friends who are direct disciples of Goda > Sastrigal and Shri Vijaya Ganapati, the conclusion > is that: > > ..............these are the words of the direct disciples of Shri Goda > Shastrigal & Shri Muttam Kanchi who were blessed by > Mahaperiyaval............ > > i) Both Periyaval and Goda Shastrigal have been quoted out of context > > ii) Frankly speaking, Goda Shastrigal was *against* the publication of his > lectures *online* lest his objective would be misinterpreted* just it has > been done now > > iii) Kanchi Mahaperiyaval was very particular on the issue of keeping merus > and insisted strict adherence to the nitya / naimittika karmas and > initiation into panchadasi / shodasi. And Jayendra Saraswathi would always > respect his guru vakya and would never ever speak out of context. > > iv) Audience of Goda Sastrigal are the initiates of Panchadasi and hence > his words of advice might have been directed to the initiates of Panchadasi. > Unfortunately, these words have been misquoted out of context. > > v) Kindly do not mislead the audience with these remarks. Sat-sampradaya is > the main pillar of srividya upasana. > > with regs, > sriram > > > > > , MSR <abhayambika wrote: > > > > All examples have limitations. > > > > Of the different yantra-s shriichakra is different - I have heard Sri > > Jayendra Saraswati swamigal say that you can keep it without formal > > pooja at home and other places. Recently, I heard the same thing again > > on Sri Goda Venkata Sastrigal's 1st lecture on saundaryalahari (link was > > posted to ). He says a simple offering of a flower and a > > namaskaram is enough. > > > > Even if you disagree with them, I hope you will agree that they are > > eminent men and great scholars. It shows that there are alternate views. > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna murthy wrote: > > > May I add my bit;What is an yanthra?Why is it evolved?What is the > method to trace it?Similarly Manthras and their pictorial representation in > dhyana sloka.We must be clear in perceiving them.For example(it may not be > exactly equal to)Rajaji was governor General and Chief Minister; When he was > Governor genral He sat in Parliament house and when CM he was in Assembly; > Both cannot be equated for the same person as long as he is > personified.Yanthras are Geometric Symbolical representation for a > particular deity with prescribed form; and it is a plan of its residence, > its elevation is that palace in 3D;As such only particular yanthra should be > installed and the pujas can be performed with that avarana Devathas; For > different forms all yanthras as we like cannot be installed. This is my > knowledge as gained from my Guru. > > > With regards S.Krishnamoorthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > -- > pradiipa-jvaalaabhir-divasakara-niiraajana-vidhiH > sudhaasuutesh-candropala-jalalavair-arghya-racanaa . > svakiiyair-ambhobhiH salila-nidhi-sauhityakaraNaM > tvadiiyaabhir-vaagbhis-tava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h > > Web Page: http://www.ambaa.org/ > Support: help > Preferred Transliteration: http://www.aczoom.com/itrans/ > > Be informed, visit: http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 This piece is in the 1st lecture of saundaryalahari. It happens around the 26th minute. Rough translation " It is enough if you have srichakra at your home - all you have to do is put two flowers and do a namaskara - devii is adored here is a nityam sannihita devi - if you do that for a while - a guru will come searching for you to do the updadesha " File link was posted by Sundararaman mama. I do not remember the source of Sri Jayendrar's words - it may be in his lalita sahasranaama rendering (I will verify this by next week).. I remember this because right around that time Sri Sankaranarayanan posted about keeping energized meru in cars. Initially I thought it may not be correct. But Jayendrar's words showed me that I may be wrong. I do understand that audio or even texts can be quoted out of context. But that is not my intention. Ravi On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Ravisankar Mayavaram<abhayambika wrote: > Entire lecture is online, listen it for yourself. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:15 AM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathi > wrote: >> >> After having spoken with my 2 friends who are direct disciples of Goda >> Sastrigal and Shri Vijaya Ganapati, the conclusion >> is that: >> >> ..............these are the words of the direct disciples of Shri Goda >> Shastrigal & Shri Muttam Kanchi who were blessed by >> Mahaperiyaval............ >> >> i) Both Periyaval and Goda Shastrigal have been quoted out of context >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 It is also stated in the phala shruti of Lalita sahasranama that it is to be recited only by srividyopasakas. thats why most Namboodiris till about 30-40 years ago never used to recite it but confine themselves to Vishnu sahasranama. I also know of 8-9 great tantrikas in the sense they were traditional tantris of kerala including mu aunt's father in law visited my Parama Guru when he visited Kerala and all except my aunt's father in law negated the kulachara pramanas. Thereafter my Parama Guru personally took them to a person who was not very respected in the community and who explained that the acharas were the same till at a Yogakshema sabha in Trichur vadakkumnathan temple it was decided that srividya and its acharas shall not be given to the succeeding generations, as it will be used by successors for money. But the acharas were not discontinued and 4 people in each generation were initiated and practiced in Secret. he said that he and the other 3 upasakas did the upasana in secret and they will continue to do so. The Tantreekas who included The Chottanikkara tantri Puliannor Narayanan Namboodiri, Guruvayoor Tantri Chennas divakaran namboothiri among others sought deeksha and he declined saying that having denied the pramana he cannot grant it and directed them to mamaji of Chennai. They went and were initiated. Immediatly thereafter they all rose to become very very respectable in the field. I remember Narayanan Namboodiri just saying " Amme Narayana " and giving vibhuti or kumkum and problems flying away. He used to be the only one who used to recite LS for pooja at that time. Then times changed. Lalita Sahasranama started gaining popularity and Saints started giving permission for recitation without Deeksha. Now it is widely recited in Kerala. If shastra pramana alone and NOT the subsequent evolutions are to be followed, many things are NOT possible. But sanatana Dharma is not a moribund creature. It evolves according to Time and place. Changes are many and manifold and profound. When change occurs, believe it to be the decision of the Jagaddhatri and let us also mentally evolve and change and do our Yuga dharma. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Re: which tantra / agama approves? Thursday, June 25, 2009, 9:56 AM Dear ravi, Parasurama Kalpa Sutra clearly states that unless one is initiated in Panchadasi / Shodasi, one cannot keep the meru and worship or else one is bound to get yogini shapa. I think Shri Vijaya Ganapati-ji, one of our revered members, who knows Shri Goda Shastrigal can comment on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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