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Einstein's Matter-Energy Relation as Applied to Sadhana

 

 

 

 

An Elaboration of earlier post E = m x c x cHere is a SADHAK...who is trying

some union with " The Higher Consciousness " .

 

His Body is the YANTRA = Mass = m

His Mind is the MANTRA = Speed of Light = c

 

Mind

in is present form is kinda...in a scattered state of affair. It needs

momentum in order to get " organized " and " focussed " , which is done by JAPA

(Repitition). This phenomenon is what is Squaring.....to make c...into cxc

This momentum or vibration or State of Consciousness of the Mind, as attained,

needs to be distributed throughout the Universe (Bramhand). The Bramhand

(Macrocosm) that exists outside does also exist within The Body

(Microcosm). This application of fusing this vibrations of " The

Transformed Mind " into the Body is done while maintaining ASANA (An Undisturbed

Posture).

Thus, to obtain a perfect multiplication of cxc with the m (Mass/Body).

 

When we start this process, at the inception normally the equation can takes

place in various ways like....

c x (c - a)

(c + a) x c

c

x c x (m - b)........unless the perfect equation is attained the

experience of ENERGY/ETERNITY does not surface to the Sadhak. (Energy

itself is Eternity.....coz it can Neither be Created nor Destroyed -

IInd Law of Thermodynamics)

 

Once a Sadhak has been able to

perfectly attain this STATE/EQUATION...even for a Split Second.....the

EXPERIENCE of this expanded Consciousness dawns upon.

 

Thus, revising again.........BODY (m) = YANTRA; MIND © = MANTRA

 

And, this whole set of " Organized Application " is called,

TANTRA = m x c x c = E (Energy/Eternity).

Regards.

 

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, james <japa_108 wrote:

james <japa_108

tantra

 

Monday, June 30, 2008, 9:45 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to get a thread started on the principles (and details)

 

and peoples understanding and experience of tantra. after all tantra

 

is supposed to be the path for kaliyuga.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Are not experiences intensly personal?

 

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, james <japa_108 wrote:

 

james <japa_108

tantra

 

Monday, June 30, 2008, 9:45 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to get a thread started on the principles (and details)

and peoples understanding and experience of tantra. after all tantra

is supposed to be the path for kaliyuga.

First as I see it, tantra is about alignment and harmony. That is,

alignment of yourself with your higher Self (which is of course who

you really are) and wth the universe lets say. In the end its all

God/Siva/Divine Mother. Whatever name you want to give the Supreme.

And on this path you have ways to propitiate entities and the universe

for help with everything from your day to day needs and wants, to your

spiritual evolution/involutio n. Ok, so lets start with any

corrections, comments, or further discussions. I would really like to

make this a meaningful, substanative, and sharing thread

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Not having been initiated, I can't offer a personal perspective on

what constitutes tantra, but here is one definition, coming from

Western scholar David Gordon White in the volume Tantra in Practice:

 

" Tantra is that Asian body of beliefs and practices which, working

from the principle that the universe we experience is nothing other

than the concrete manifestation of the divine energy of the Godhead

that creates and maintains that universe, seeks to ritually

appropriate and channel that energy, within the human microcosm, in

creative and emancipatory ways. "

 

(As an aside, our own Devi Bhakta put in much time on the excellent

Shaktism article on Wikipedia, which can be found at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism. It may be worth noting here for

those new to this topic that Shaktism is not synonymous with tantra,

nor is tantra synonymous with Shaktism. There are non-tantric Shakta

modes of worship, as well as non-Shakta tantric traditions. Also note

that tantra as a meta-approach extends beyond the wide-ranging folds

of Sanatana Dharma into Buddhism and Jainism, for instance.)

 

C.

 

, " james " <japa_108 wrote:

>

> I would like to get a thread started on the principles (and details)

> and peoples understanding and experience of tantra. after all tantra

> is supposed to be the path for kaliyuga.

> First as I see it, tantra is about alignment and harmony. That is,

> alignment of yourself with your higher Self (which is of course who

> you really are) and wth the universe lets say. In the end its all

> God/Siva/Divine Mother. Whatever name you want to give the Supreme.

> And on this path you have ways to propitiate entities and the universe

> for help with everything from your day to day needs and wants, to your

> spiritual evolution/involution. Ok, so lets start with any

> corrections, comments, or further discussions. I would really like to

> make this a meaningful, substanative, and sharing thread

[Guest guest]

As you note, tantra often asserts itself as the system par excellence

for the Kali Yuga.

 

That being the case, I've got a question directed at those on this

list who are initiated upasakas in whatever tantric tradition; it

needn't be Sri Vidya:

 

If tantra is the optimal soteriological mode for those living today,

how can one reconcile that fact with the oft-stated difficulty of

receiving diksha or initiation in a tantric sampradaya? If its

intended audience is somewhat limited, how can it, and not a system

more widely accessible to the average person, be the recommended

spiritual approach for this epoch of history?

 

C.

 

, " james " <japa_108 wrote:

>

> I would like to get a thread started on the principles (and details)

> and peoples understanding and experience of tantra. after all tantra

> is supposed to be the path for kaliyuga.

> First as I see it, tantra is about alignment and harmony. That is,

> alignment of yourself with your higher Self (which is of course who

> you really are) and wth the universe lets say. In the end its all

> God/Siva/Divine Mother. Whatever name you want to give the Supreme.

> And on this path you have ways to propitiate entities and the universe

> for help with everything from your day to day needs and wants, to your

> spiritual evolution/involution. Ok, so lets start with any

> corrections, comments, or further discussions. I would really like to

> make this a meaningful, substanative, and sharing thread

[Guest guest]

James wrote [[..as I see it, tantra is about alignment and harmony.

That is, alignment of yourself with your higher Self .. and wth the

universe lets say. In the end its all God/Siva/Divine Mother. [snip]

Ok, so lets start with any corrections, comments, or further

discussions.]]

** C offered a good Western perspective quote from D.G. White.

Namely, " Tantra is..the universe we experience is nothing other than

the concrete manifestation of the divine energy of the Godhead that

creates and maintains that universe, seeks to ritually appropriate

and channel that energy, within the human microcosm, in creative and

emancipatory ways. "

 

This is correct (and a tad dualist).

 

If I may: Many Sanskrit words are obscure, even when many have been

hearing them for many years. Tantra is such a word. In Sanskrit, it

means, " loom, thread, warp and woof; methodology " . At first this may

sound confusing, but it does tie-in neatly with the quote above.

 

First, keep in mind that tantra refers to both religious and secular

works. Second, tantra is a 'method', which means, pranayama, for

example, is a tantra. Third, tantra generally denotes a reverse flow

of energy (which is why pranayama is a tantra). Fourth, many use it

for 'black magic' (abhichara) or 'sex magic-practices'. Fifth, above

all else, tantra is an enlightenment path, one that runs along side

of - and mostly in opposition to - the Vedas.

 

Namo Shivaya!

Siddhananda Devi

[Guest guest]

Nice explanation.

 

TANTRA can be understood by disintegration as,

TAN (Body) + TRAYATE (That Frees/Crosses) = TANTRA (The process that helps in

attaining disassociation pf one's consciousness with the Body)

 

--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Siddhananda Devi <siddhananda_devi wrote:

Siddhananda Devi <siddhananda_devi

James wrote [[..as I see it, tantra is about alignment and harmony.

 

That is, alignment of yourself with your higher Self .. and wth the

 

universe lets say. In the end its all God/Siva/Divine Mother. [snip]

 

Ok, so lets start with any corrections, comments, or further

 

discussions. ]]

 

** C offered a good Western perspective quote from D.G. White.

 

Namely, " Tantra is..the universe we experience is nothing other than

 

the concrete manifestation of the divine energy of the Godhead that

 

creates and maintains that universe, seeks to ritually appropriate

 

and channel that energy, within the human microcosm, in creative and

 

emancipatory ways. "

 

 

 

This is correct (and a tad dualist).

 

 

 

If I may: Many Sanskrit words are obscure, even when many have been

 

hearing them for many years. Tantra is such a word. In Sanskrit, it

 

means, " loom, thread, warp and woof; methodology " . At first this may

 

sound confusing, but it does tie-in neatly with the quote above.

 

 

First, keep in mind that tantra refers to both religious and secular

 

works. Second, tantra is a 'method', which means, pranayama, for

 

example, is a tantra. Third, tantra generally denotes a reverse flow

 

of energy (which is why pranayama is a tantra). Fourth, many use it

 

for 'black magic' (abhichara) or 'sex magic-practices' . Fifth, above

 

all else, tantra is an enlightenment path, one that runs along side

 

of - and mostly in opposition to - the Vedas.

 

 

 

Namo Shivaya!

 

Siddhananda Devi

[Guest guest]

This is a really useful debate. I've been wrestling with this question

for a while as regards my own personal journey. It comes up, for

example, whenever the talk turns to religion with friends, and I tell

them that I am religious, but... 'what faith?' they ask, and I'm not

entirely sure. I'm a Western man who believes that the cosmos, the

concept I call Shakti and myself are an indivisible unity. Can I in

all conscience call myself a Hindu, seeing that I came by this belief

more or less spontaneously? I don't think I can: I have none of the

traditions, none of the education based on centuries of

geographic/societal/cultural specifics, very little of the literature

and certainly none of it in its original form. So if pressed I've

taken to calling myself a Tantric, and if pressed further, an

'instinctive Tantric.' It's a glib and not very accurate way out, but

it's also as honest as I can be right now. Will I think differently if

and when I find a guru? That remains to be seen. But there are

probably hundreds of thousands of people just like me in the West

right now, who have blundered, stumbled or (and as a Tantric this is

what I believe) been led into this belief system and are now busily,

desperately trying to assemble a meaningful belief structure around a

rickety core of gleaned information and received opinion. The easy way

out is to plunge into the warm and turgid ocean of the New Age, of

course, but for those of us who feel that, whatever else their impulse

might be, it is somehow authentic and beyond that, Indo-specific, that

isn't an option. But what is?

[Guest guest]

Maybe not a Hindu but why not a Shakta? Š :-)

 

Max

 

> I tell

>them that I am religious, but... 'what faith?' they ask, and I'm not

>entirely sure. I'm a Western man who believes that the cosmos, the

>concept I call Shakti and myself are an indivisible unity. Can I in

>all conscience call myself a Hindu, seeing that I came by this belief

>more or less spontaneously? I don't think I can: I have none of the

>traditions, none of the education based on centuries of

>geographic/societal/cultural specifics, very little of the literature

>and certainly none of it in its original form. So if pressed I've

>taken to calling myself a Tantric, and if pressed further, an

>'instinctive Tantric.' It's a glib and not very accurate way out, but

>it's also as honest as I can be right now. Will I think differently if

>and when I find a guru? That remains to be seen. But there are

>probably hundreds of thousands of people just like me in the West

>right now, who have blundered, stumbled or (and as a Tantric this is

>what I believe) been led into this belief system and are now busily,

>desperately trying to assemble a meaningful belief structure around a

>rickety core of gleaned information and received opinion. The easy way

>out is to plunge into the warm and turgid ocean of the New Age, of

>course, but for those of us who feel that, whatever else their impulse

>might be, it is somehow authentic and beyond that, Indo-specific, that

>isn't an option. But what is?

 

--

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Good conversation with much to learn :-)

Even though it may sound totally a layman-ish way of explanation....but cannot

resist putting it forth.

TANTRA is neither for selected few, nor has it any taboo for the larger masses.

It is as simple as riding an Aeroplane. There is no restriction as long as one

has a ticket. However, getting an flight ticket will cost us and for acquiring

which one needs to work on something....money, status, family,

business.........whatever. Thus, a lesser group of the population only fly as

compared to the rest.

Similarly, TANTRA asks for some 'qualification', which once acquired, ANYONE can

use it for the 'intended goal'. " Intended Goal'??? Does it ring a bell??? Well,

thats where the secret of TANTRA actually lies........Purification of

Intentions.........thats the door towards qualifying for TANTRA.

 

Regards,

Anupam

 

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, msbauju <msbauju wrote:

msbauju <msbauju

Re: tantra

 

Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:50 PM

[Guest guest]

I am one of them, too. Thank you for bringing up some of the same

issues I deal with.

 

I think with all conscience you can call yourself a follower of the

Sanatana Dharma. It is a process of becoming. I believe in the

underlying principles of the Sanatana Dharma. I am in the process of

discovering what that exactly means to me. I can't call myself a

Tantric in the sense of having been initiated by a Tantric guru, but

I suppose I can call myself a Shakta, since my Istha Devata is Divine

Mother Kali, but I am becoming more and more what is meant by those

terms Hindu and Shakta and Tantric. I am on the way. I may be a

child in comparison to those who have been born to it and have had a

lifetime (or more) of exposure to these paths. Then there may be

others who are just beginning to read, say the Upanishads or the

Bhagavad Gita and are saying to themselves, " Wow, this is wonderful!

Why have I never run across these ideas before? This seems to be the

essence of truth! " Is a child wrong because it is a child? No, the

child is just starting to learn and makes mistakes and has a lack of

knowledge. The adult is a little further on the way, that's all. It

is a continuum. That is what we have in common. We have all set our

foot on the path at some time. We are becomming Shaktas, Tantrics,

Hindus. We are becomming divine. It is what we have in common. I

can lay claim to that with pride and joy.

 

Om Jai Kali Ma!

Kumari

 

, " geraldvaughanhughes "

<geraldvaughanhughes wrote:

>

> This is a really useful debate. I've been wrestling with this

question

> for a while as regards my own personal journey. It comes up, for

> example, whenever the talk turns to religion with friends, and I

tell

> them that I am religious, but... 'what faith?' they ask, and I'm not

> entirely sure. I'm a Western man who believes that the cosmos, the

> concept I call Shakti and myself are an indivisible unity. Can I in

> all conscience call myself a Hindu, seeing that I came by this

belief

> more or less spontaneously? I don't think I can: I have none of the

> traditions, none of the education based on centuries of

> geographic/societal/cultural specifics, very little of the

literature

> and certainly none of it in its original form. So if pressed I've

> taken to calling myself a Tantric, and if pressed further, an

> 'instinctive Tantric.' It's a glib and not very accurate way out,

but

> it's also as honest as I can be right now. Will I think differently

if

> and when I find a guru? That remains to be seen. But there are

> probably hundreds of thousands of people just like me in the West

> right now, who have blundered, stumbled or (and as a Tantric this is

> what I believe) been led into this belief system and are now busily,

> desperately trying to assemble a meaningful belief structure around

a

> rickety core of gleaned information and received opinion. The easy

way

> out is to plunge into the warm and turgid ocean of the New Age, of

> course, but for those of us who feel that, whatever else their

impulse

> might be, it is somehow authentic and beyond that, Indo-specific,

that

> isn't an option. But what is?

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

I am have been studying yoga for 17 years and a student of Ayurveda. I am

new to Tantra but have sincere and real interest to study. I would be truly

grateful for any guidance.

 

Warm Regards,

Suzanne Wells

 

Radianthealth1

 

 

 

Shambhavi [shambhavi ] On Behalf

Of Lok Raj

Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:18 AM

Shambhavi

Tantra

 

I am 60 years male from the state of Punjab India, a master Tantric

doing tantra meditations for the last 25 years,and I teach these

meditations to the real seeker.Seekers are invited to contact me online.

[Guest guest]

anyone heip me to get phatkarini tantra

[Guest guest]

>not sure of the Pronounciation is it Phet or Phat and what does it deal with ?

 

, " gangadharan " <gngdhrnp wrote:

> anyone heip me to get phatkarini tantra

>

[Guest guest]

Phetkarini Tantra is available in Saraswati Bhavan Library, Sampurnananda

Sanskrit University, Varanasi.

 

regs,

sriram

 

, " gangadharan " <gngdhrnp wrote:

>

> anyone heip me to get phatkarini tantra

>

[Guest guest]

Its also available in telugu Language and it mostly deals with kaula and

Vamachara Abhicharika's

 

Regard

Diwakar