Siva-Parvati Samvada in Tantra

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Dear Members,

 

A small piece of information i would like to share regarding the " Siva-Parvati

Samvada " .

 

All of our tantra sastra is compiled in the form of Dialogue between Siva and

Parvati,where Parvati asks the questions and Siva answers them.

 

One is surprised to see these dialogues and the questions of Parvati which seem

as if Parvati is quite ignorant of sastra and illiterate in scriptures the way

She asks the questions innocently. This seems ironical as both Siva & Sakti are

Omniscient and are Sarvajna.

 

Upon asking elders, this is the reply i have got.

 

The Wisdom in Tantras are inaccessible to the student who does not serve his

guru. Also, the Guru should not dissipate the knowledge to every tom, dick &

harry and knowledge should not be given to *unasked* ie., " apAtrA dAna " .

 

Hence, the intimacy of Guru-Sishya relationship is depicted with the

relationship of Siva-Parvati who are though physically separate,

are ONE ENTITY where Parvati enjoys the " half-part " of the Siva.

The Love, affection that Parvati shows towards Siva shows that they

are eternally united with each other.

 

Similarly, the Guru & Sishya relationship in Tantra Sastra Adhyaya and Upasana.

 

The qualities of Parvati (represents the stri dharma which ought to be the

quality of Sishya) and Siva (represents the pati dharma or husband in the form

of Guru) that are as follows:

 

1) Atma Samarpana

 

The Sishya should offer himself entirely ie., Body, Mind & Intelligence to his

Guru and should be humble in learning knowledge

 

2) The Stri (Women) conceives through her husband. After conceiving, the embryo

that is born in the womb grows with the mother's nourishment.

 

Similarly, the Sishya receives the diksha from his guru. THis act of initiation

gives birth to Knowledge / Jnana in the Sishya which he should kindle it and

nourish it with constant upasana.

 

Thus, results in purnatva siddhi between Guru & Sishya like Siva & Parvati which

is a a single entity though physically separate.

 

regs,

sriram

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Dear sir,

 

In my humble opinion any guru who is not capable of bestowing all the knowledge

on a sishya who seeks solace in him, is considered not a worthy guru. This would

mean that the guru has no capacity to transmit the divine energy to the seeker.

Why should the Guru consider others as a " pasu " , he perhaps has no knowledge of

the ultimate Divine nor has experience of the Divine energy. If any Guru has a

real expereince of the Divine energy, He would never disregard any one however

knowledgeable or not the seeker may be.

 

Was not Kalidasa bestowed upon the Divine Mothers total grace and before that

was he not an idiot?

 

You say that the sishya should offer everything, but you do not mention about

atmanivedhanam. Once a Guru offers his atma to the sishya through transmitting

the divine energy both the guru and disciple becomes one. Then what and where is

any difference between the guru and sishya. There is absolutely no obligation by

either of them to the other.

 

Many Gurus are highly possessive and do not want to part with their acquired

divine energy, because they are afraid that such offering of divine energy would

deminish their own status . They are totally power gross and should not be

considered as a guru at all.

 

This is purely my personal opinion and nothing has to do with any writings.

 

Regards,

 

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN