Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 I am sorry to state that the shabby treatment to the widows is just a continuation of acceptance by the society (incl females) of the second grade citizenship awarded to the ladies, even in their day to day existence. It shows the insensitiveness of the males in accepting the ladies not as a human being, but as a sexual being, who exists for the sole pleasure of male kind. Till that mind set remains, nothing will change. All these signs of widowhood as forced upon by society to ladies are NOTHING, when compared to the daily physical, mental and emotoional exploitation of these lovely fellow human beings by the society. We can not change the world, but if all of us, individually, can be respectful towards the ladies in our day to day existence, the transformation will soon follow. The following of these rituals is basically a sign of the unawareness of WHO I AM. If we know, who we are, these things do not exist any more. rgds ranjan --- On Mon, 5/5/08, Dr Perisepalli Venkata Sesha Sai <aswamedhayaagam wrote: Dr Perisepalli Venkata Sesha Sai <aswamedhayaagam Miserable State of Ladies " telugu bhakti " <-owner >, " kerala brah " <kbstvm, " kerala brahman " <kbstvm, " US brahmins " <usbrahmins >, " sambhavi group " <shambhavi >, " " <paramaacharya >, " om namah " Monday, 5 May, 2008, 2:04 PM My dear friends and like minded persons / Brahma Swaroops The subject matter is related to the unethical treatment of ladies in Indian Families particularly in Brahmin Families. I request you all to pay attention to this serious situation relating to most uncivilized rituals. It is a fact that we INDIANS respect ladies utmost and no where on the earth we find such honorable treatment to the ladies. At the same time, we still follow some uncivilized rituals in spite of the fact that we have accepted the reforms suggested and brought into practice by Reformers like Shri Raja Rama Mohan Roy, Shri Kandukuri Veeresa Lingam. We could successfully ban the Sati Sahagaman; the society has accepted marriages for the widows, still here is an area where we ALL have to pay attention. Immediately after the death of a husband, in most of the Indian families, the widows are treated as untouchables and particularly the scenario on the tenth day ceremony is heart breaking. On one side the Widow feels herself isolated and remains in total distress having lost her life partner and on the other side, most of the ladies (like Sumangalis – leading their family life with husbands) do not prefer to see the face of the widow. The barber enters the home as some rituals are to be followed, soon the washerwoman enters and removes the Mangal Sutra (the Holy and sacred ties representing the marital state), the bangles are broken, the sindur is removed, white saree is presented to her for wearing and what not and all this – amidst her sorrowful state of mind and physic. The fact remains that neither the sindur, nor the bangles, nor the hair style, nor the saree were brought by her husband. In token recognition of her marriage the only symbol i.e. Mangal Sutra alone is an addition in her life with the entry of her life partner. If after the exit of her life partner, something is to be removed, at the best only the Mangal Sutra and that too she herself can remove if she is willing. I really do not understand the reason for removal of even Mangal Sutra since it is a mere symbol of her marriage, I appeal to the Sanatans not to mistake me for writing all this, but pay some attention to this subject as HUMAN BEINGS. None – including gents prefer to see the face directly and some ritual is followed like putting Jeera in the mouth and seeing the face of the widow and immediately after that taking a head bath as if it is a great crime and sin to see the face of a fellow human being – a poor lady in distress. Now, let us look at the situation of poor widow, what crime did she commit to be banned from the society, what crime did she commit to be ill treated in such an uncivilized fashion and does the so called CIVILIZED SOCIETY READY TO treat the husband in the similar fashion if his wife dies ? What type of Justice have we accepted in our system and who is responsible for all this? The answer is simply – WE – we are all responsible. Let us do something and let us try to take a lead, as I know how difficult it is to bring such reforms – particularly such Reforms. But we have to do something in this regard and if we do not do something – WHO WILL DO? Please think. Yours - in Reforms HARA HARA MAHADEVA DR P V SESHA SAI ASWAMEDHAYAAJI Vedanta Visarada, Adhyatmika Ratna, Sri Yaaga Vidya Praveen Dr P V Sesha Sai Aswamedhayaaji Vice President (India) – World Brahman Organization, Chief: SAINTS (School for Scientific Analysis on Indian Traditional Systems Trustee: AANANDAASHRAMAM (Regd Charitable Trust) # 303, 6-4-8, Vijetha Sanjeevani Apartments, Opposite Gandhi Hospital, By the side of Saraswathi Temple, Musheerabad Main Road, SECUNDERABAD 500380 Tele fax 040 27541613, Landline 65581368, Cells 9440422613, 9908570347, USA direct number 812 961 3700 Web: www.ashwamedhayaaga m.org, Blogspots: http://drseshasai’sbelieveitornot. blogspot. com, http://suryakshetrr a.blogspot. com, http://secretsofsri sailam.blogspot. com, http://holynaimisha ranyam.blogspot. com E mails: shodasisai (AT) gmail (DOT) com, shodasisai (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, shodasisai@rediffma il.com 5th May 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Dear sirs, I do not know what is happening in other regions.In Tamil Nadu Particulary in Brahim Families these rituals are not observed even in small towns.Many widows have allos remarried with the blessings of their father and mother in law.May be in some corner it may be there .But I find in other castes it is practised particulary in Rural.Education is the only means to eradicate this and when w woman has education and can stand on own legs these attrocities in the garb of rituals cannot be perpetrated.So encourage girl child's education apart from educating ur own female children. Regards Dr Perisepalli Venkata Sesha Sai <aswamedhayaagam telugu bhakti <-owner >; kerala brah <kbstvm; kerala brahman <kbstvm; US brahmins <usbrahmins >; sambhavi group <shambhavi >; group <paramaacharya >; om namah Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:34:49 PM Miserable State of Ladies My dear friends and like minded persons / Brahma Swaroops The subject matter is related to the unethical treatment of ladies in Indian Families particularly in Brahmin Families. I request you all to pay attention to this serious situation relating to most uncivilized rituals. It is a fact that we INDIANS respect ladies utmost and no where on the earth we find such honorable treatment to the ladies. At the same time, we still follow some uncivilized rituals in spite of the fact that we have accepted the reforms suggested and brought into practice by Reformers like Shri Raja Rama Mohan Roy, Shri Kandukuri Veeresa Lingam. We could successfully ban the Sati Sahagaman; the society has accepted marriages for the widows, still here is an area where we ALL have to pay attention. Immediately after the death of a husband, in most of the Indian families, the widows are treated as untouchables and particularly the scenario on the tenth day ceremony is heart breaking. On one side the Widow feels herself isolated and remains in total distress having lost her life partner and on the other side, most of the ladies (like Sumangalis – leading their family life with husbands) do not prefer to see the face of the widow. The barber enters the home as some rituals are to be followed, soon the washerwoman enters and removes the Mangal Sutra (the Holy and sacred ties representing the marital state), the bangles are broken, the sindur is removed, white saree is presented to her for wearing and what not and all this – amidst her sorrowful state of mind and physic. The fact remains that neither the sindur, nor the bangles, nor the hair style, nor the saree were brought by her husband. In token recognition of her marriage the only symbol i.e. Mangal Sutra alone is an addition in her life with the entry of her life partner. If after the exit of her life partner, something is to be removed, at the best only the Mangal Sutra and that too she herself can remove if she is willing. I really do not understand the reason for removal of even Mangal Sutra since it is a mere symbol of her marriage, I appeal to the Sanatans not to mistake me for writing all this, but pay some attention to this subject as HUMAN BEINGS. None – including gents prefer to see the face directly and some ritual is followed like putting Jeera in the mouth and seeing the face of the widow and immediately after that taking a head bath as if it is a great crime and sin to see the face of a fellow human being – a poor lady in distress. Now, let us look at the situation of poor widow, what crime did she commit to be banned from the society, what crime did she commit to be ill treated in such an uncivilized fashion and does the so called CIVILIZED SOCIETY READY TO treat the husband in the similar fashion if his wife dies ? What type of Justice have we accepted in our system and who is responsible for all this? The answer is simply – WE – we are all responsible. Let us do something and let us try to take a lead, as I know how difficult it is to bring such reforms – particularly such Reforms. But we have to do something in this regard and if we do not do something – WHO WILL DO? Please think. Yours - in Reforms HARA HARA MAHADEVA DR P V SESHA SAI ASWAMEDHAYAAJI Vedanta Visarada, Adhyatmika Ratna, Sri Yaaga Vidya Praveen Dr P V Sesha Sai Aswamedhayaaji Vice President (India) – World Brahman Organization, Chief: SAINTS (School for Scientific Analysis on Indian Traditional Systems Trustee: AANANDAASHRAMAM (Regd Charitable Trust) # 303, 6-4-8, Vijetha Sanjeevani Apartments, Opposite Gandhi Hospital, By the side of Saraswathi Temple, Musheerabad Main Road, SECUNDERABAD 500380 Tele fax 040 27541613, Landline 65581368, Cells 9440422613, 9908570347, USA direct number 812 961 3700 Web: www.ashwamedhayaaga m.org, Blogspots: http://drseshasai’sbelieveitornot. blogspot. com, http://suryakshetrr a.blogspot. com, http://secretsofsri sailam.blogspot. com, http://holynaimisha ranyam.blogspot. com E mails: shodasisai (AT) gmail (DOT) com, shodasisai (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, shodasisai@rediffma il.com 5th May 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 When Women fight for their natural rights and not Rights based on Gender Equqlity things will change. Let us hope this takes root somewhere sometime! For eg. Why should not the entire property of the husband, after his demise pass on to the the wife and only after her death pass on to the children! A Careful study indicates that over the centuries, possibly from the time's of the Muslim invasions onwards this degeneracy has set in. Convienient interpretations of the Hindu sdriptures reinforced this degeneracy' The Raj had no small role to play with this situation - It played hide and seek using diverse tools. Divide the people. Deride Hinduisim. Western educated during the time of the Raj - gave rise to noble lumineries who attacked the immidiate situation prevaling at that time and no doubt did a great job. In their effort created new Hindu sects at times. However studies on the Origin and Growth of these practices studied and documented in depth appear , I have yet to come across. On the other hand the Raj sponsersd interpretatiobs and tramslations of Hindu scriptural texts did their damage in casting a slur on Hindu scriptural texts. An old article I have is worth reading in this context: - it is on the link http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13170729 also www. hinduwisdom Shambhavi , rajeeva ranjan <rajeeva_ranjan2002 wrote: > > I am sorry to state that the shabby treatment to the widows is just a continuation of acceptance by the society (incl females)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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