how can one get a guru?

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jai mata di

 

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I was wondering, how can one acquire a guru?

How will one know if that guru is all powerful and

willing to teach you?

 

thanks for your insite

Rishi

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Dear All,

 

I did not want to post anything on this as a reply because Guru is

such a vast ocean and subject ....infinite times more than SRIVIDYA

UPASANA ITSELF that I kept quite .....but since my name has been

pulled out Iam just giving my thoughts on this matter...

 

When the disciple is ready the Guru comes---Yes, this is absolutely

true. But it is one side of the coin.

 

The student should take one step toward the " Guru " then the " Guru "

will take ten steps toward Him.

 

The question of readiness is like the eternal question which came

first ..the chick or the hen?...In other words, if a student is

ready he will take his first step for the guru to take the ten steps

and if that be so then only a person who is ready will take that

step in the first place. The logic gets convoluted here.

 

But Guru Tatwa is beyond these tiny dimensions of logicalities.

 

When the Guru comes your heart will know and then your soul will

burn with fire. This fire is the true 'trishna'. Guru releives you

from " Gu " (darkness) to " ru " (light).

 

There might be some mirages in the desert which look like an oasis

from afar and the heart delights but the fire in the soul is absent.

When one comes near one finds that the heart which seeks " beauty "

has been fooled yet again. The soul which seeks the real thing has

not been slaked of it's thirst and the journey continues.

 

I do not know whether one can or cannot accept the mantra OM NAMA

SHIVAAYA or HREEM as the Guru/Guru mantra.

 

If one has another guru as destined by the initial flame from which

you were born as an inanimate thing then an animate thing and now as

a human then it would be wrong to accept even Lord Shiva or Devi as

your Guru.

 

Guru is beyond them both. He can take you higher than both. It is

your 'Blind' belief which will take you there once you have tested

and found your guru. YES, BELIEF IS BLIND. If belief has eyes then

you suspect. If your Guru says " My child walk with closed eyes on

the summit of this bursting volcano on the lava..I will protect

you " ...One should walk with eyes closed. If even one eye is cleverly

opened to see whether the feet are b;istered then deep inside

the " trust " is missing.

 

Surrender and prapathi are not easy concepts. Vaishnavites use these

words often and engage in useless discussions on this. I myself who

was a vaishnavite before I enetered into shaktha know it.

 

I can give one pertinent example.

 

Tulsidas a great devotee of Rama once came to a house in a village

and asked for alms. The lady of the house fed him sumptuously and

washed his feet. He was so happy that he said " Oh! Lady! Ask

anything ...I will grant you the boon " The lady said " It is useless

Maharaj! Noone can fulfill my desire " . Tulsidas said " My Lord can " .

The Lady sighed and said " Ok give me the boon of a child. I had so

many misacrriages and abortions that Iam fed up " Tulsidas smiled and

said " Only this much?...ok fine I will pray Lord Rama and will get

you easily " He then prayed Lord Rama and he got an answer. He sadly

shook his head and said " A child is not in your destiny as you have

done lot of sins in your past birth " . Then he blessed the woman and

went away.

 

Then an aghori came by and he partook food similarly in the lady's

house and asked her what she wants. The same scene was enacted. He

said to her " I piss on destiny " . He said for every roti you have fed

me you will have a child. And she had fed him 8 rotis. She had 8

children in due course of time!

 

Tulsidas came after 8 years to her town again in search of alms

singing the glory of Rama. He was surprised to see 8 children

playing in her courtyard. He asked her what happened and when he

finally knew the story of the aghori he was very offended and cried

to Lord rama " On Rama you have forsaken me!..In what way am i less

than that filthy and evil-smelling aghori? "

 

Rama smiled at him and said, " Tulsi, that aghori is somehing

different from you. He has gone beyond the concept of satwaa and

beoing a saint and tryong to surrender "

 

Then Rama decided to give Tulsidas a good lessonwith the help pof

the aghori and suddenly started to shout, " Oh I have terrific pain

in the heart. Please Tulsi,get me a heart from someone so that I can

get some releif "

 

Tulsidas got scared: if something were to happen to Lord Rama what

would be the fate as Rama's cheif devotee? So he ran into the street

shouting' " A heart! Lord Rama needs a heart! Who will give his heart

for Rama? "

 

The aghori who was relaxing under a tree,heard him and said, " Arrey

yo! Tulsi Idhar aaa(come here) " When Tulsidas came near him he said "

Now I know how much love you have for your Lord Rama. If you really

loved Him,you would have given your heart instantanoeusly when he

asked. here ,if Lord Rama wants a heart .let Him take mine as He and

my Ma Smashan Tara are one and the same and Iam just giving this to

my heavenly father " ,so saying he ripped open his chest with his

fingers,tore out his heart, and even before he could hand out the

heart he diesd bleeding. Then tulsidas plucked hi s heart and went

into meditatio n to offer the heart to Rama,Rama smiled at him and

said " Now do you see how a real lover behaves with his beloeved? He

loved smashan Tara so much he gave his heart thinking it was her in

me. Will you do the same thing if he comes and asks please give a

heart to my mother? You will run away scared at both the prospect of

giving your heart and also hating the foul-smelling Devi called

smashan tara who resides in a cemetry!..from now on do not use the

words Prapathi and saranagathi for me! " And he dissappeared. And

Tulsidas had to keep quite and acknowledge the greatness of the

aghori. And what became of the aghori? He went to the " land of

Rama " (read Smashan Tara) before Tulsidas could struggle his way.

 

Surrender ,surrender and surrender these are the only three words

which will take you to your guru.

 

sURRENDER WITH ALL YOUR MIND WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT WITH ALL YOUR HEART

AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL.FOR HE/SHE IS THE GREAT REDEEMER.

 

Getting a guru is very very difficult. It is not easy. With sadhana

one can get visions of gods and godesses but not your true,eka guru!

Guru decides when he has to come but still as a lover of your guru

you can yearn for him and the message will be passed by ether to him

and he will come.

 

Ofcourse some do Gurugeetha and stuff to obtai Him but myfriend

Guru is not another routine or another sadhana! He comes and gives.

He also instills the very inspirtaion that you have to seek him.

Since you have this idea that Guru must come into your life. It has

been instilled by your guru somehwere in the cosmos...whoever that

might be.

 

One has to keep thinking of guru every second to obtain him and then

when he comes the wheel is complete you both can keep rolling for

eternity.

 

 

Happy rolling,

 

Shreeram Balijepalli

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , Tejaswi Srivvetsa

<tejaswi2@g...> wrote:

> Dear All,

> When the Student is ready " The teacher will appear " , this is

what I have

> read long time back. When you are ready to receive the teachings

without

> doubting the Seer/Guru he/she will appear. As said doubt should

not be

> there. Any how that is Philosophy, not so much use only to ponder

on it.

> I read somewhere that " Om Namah Shivaya " is a good mantra as who

else can

> be a greater GURU than him.

> In one of the texts that I have read try this Akshara " HREEM " .

You will

> see the path.

> If this is fits Moderator Shreeram will allow or may not.

> Thanks

> Anand

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Dear All,

 

As an addendum I would like to add that

 

a concept greater than SURRENDER is LOVE for in Surrender there

exists a bit of Ego that ''I'' am surrendering.

 

In love it vanishes and the two become one.

 

That is why even Krishna did a sadhana on Lord Shiva at the

insistence of a brahmin so that he could experience the "

ARDHANAAREESHWARA " Tatwa.t is only in ardhanareeshwarathat lord

shiva and shakthi who love one anaother so much that they cannot

even remain seperated even bodliy. It is to be noted that even

Radharani did a sadhana on Divine mother(not one but many to get the

same concept of Love for her beloved)

 

Can anyone equal the love my Divine Mother and Divine father? Pray

tell me????????

 

In love one cannot even remain seperated

physically,menatlly,''soully'' ...for the very speration is

 

Pain

 

For the very seperation is applying a poultice of burning coal

embers and thorns to one's eyelids.

 

For that very sepearation is the rending of one'soul.....

 

In this sweet pain I remain,

 

Yours yogically,

 

Shreeram

 

 

Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " para_anuloma "

<para_anuloma> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I did not want to post anything on this as a reply because Guru is

> such a vast ocean and subject ....infinite times more than

SRIVIDYA

> UPASANA ITSELF that I kept quite .....but since my name has been

> pulled out Iam just giving my thoughts on this matter...

>

> When the disciple is ready the Guru comes---Yes, this is

absolutely

> true. But it is one side of the coin.

>

> The student should take one step toward the " Guru " then the " Guru "

> will take ten steps toward Him.

>

> The question of readiness is like the eternal question which came

> first ..the chick or the hen?...In other words, if a student is

> ready he will take his first step for the guru to take the ten

steps

> and if that be so then only a person who is ready will take that

> step in the first place. The logic gets convoluted here.

>

> But Guru Tatwa is beyond these tiny dimensions of logicalities.

>

> When the Guru comes your heart will know and then your soul will

> burn with fire. This fire is the true 'trishna'. Guru releives you

> from " Gu " (darkness) to " ru " (light).

>

> There might be some mirages in the desert which look like an

oasis

> from afar and the heart delights but the fire in the soul is

absent.

> When one comes near one finds that the heart which seeks " beauty "

> has been fooled yet again. The soul which seeks the real thing has

> not been slaked of it's thirst and the journey continues.

>

> I do not know whether one can or cannot accept the mantra OM NAMA

> SHIVAAYA or HREEM as the Guru/Guru mantra.

>

> If one has another guru as destined by the initial flame from

which

> you were born as an inanimate thing then an animate thing and now

as

> a human then it would be wrong to accept even Lord Shiva or Devi

as

> your Guru.

>

> Guru is beyond them both. He can take you higher than both. It is

> your 'Blind' belief which will take you there once you have tested

> and found your guru. YES, BELIEF IS BLIND. If belief has eyes then

> you suspect. If your Guru says " My child walk with closed eyes on

> the summit of this bursting volcano on the lava..I will protect

> you " ...One should walk with eyes closed. If even one eye is

cleverly

> opened to see whether the feet are b;istered then deep inside

> the " trust " is missing.

>

> Surrender and prapathi are not easy concepts. Vaishnavites use

these

> words often and engage in useless discussions on this. I myself

who

> was a vaishnavite before I enetered into shaktha know it.

>

> I can give one pertinent example.

>

> Tulsidas a great devotee of Rama once came to a house in a village

> and asked for alms. The lady of the house fed him sumptuously and

> washed his feet. He was so happy that he said " Oh! Lady! Ask

> anything ...I will grant you the boon " The lady said " It is

useless

> Maharaj! Noone can fulfill my desire " . Tulsidas said " My Lord

can " .

> The Lady sighed and said " Ok give me the boon of a child. I had

so

> many misacrriages and abortions that Iam fed up " Tulsidas smiled

and

> said " Only this much?...ok fine I will pray Lord Rama and will

get

> you easily " He then prayed Lord Rama and he got an answer. He

sadly

> shook his head and said " A child is not in your destiny as you

have

> done lot of sins in your past birth " . Then he blessed the woman

and

> went away.

>

> Then an aghori came by and he partook food similarly in the lady's

> house and asked her what she wants. The same scene was enacted. He

> said to her " I piss on destiny " . He said for every roti you have

fed

> me you will have a child. And she had fed him 8 rotis. She had 8

> children in due course of time!

>

> Tulsidas came after 8 years to her town again in search of alms

> singing the glory of Rama. He was surprised to see 8 children

> playing in her courtyard. He asked her what happened and when he

> finally knew the story of the aghori he was very offended and

cried

> to Lord rama " On Rama you have forsaken me!..In what way am i less

> than that filthy and evil-smelling aghori? "

>

> Rama smiled at him and said, " Tulsi, that aghori is somehing

> different from you. He has gone beyond the concept of satwaa and

> beoing a saint and tryong to surrender "

>

> Then Rama decided to give Tulsidas a good lessonwith the help pof

> the aghori and suddenly started to shout, " Oh I have terrific pain

> in the heart. Please Tulsi,get me a heart from someone so that I

can

> get some releif "

>

> Tulsidas got scared: if something were to happen to Lord Rama what

> would be the fate as Rama's cheif devotee? So he ran into the

street

> shouting' " A heart! Lord Rama needs a heart! Who will give his

heart

> for Rama? "

>

> The aghori who was relaxing under a tree,heard him and said, "

Arrey

> yo! Tulsi Idhar aaa(come here) " When Tulsidas came near him he

said "

> Now I know how much love you have for your Lord Rama. If you

really

> loved Him,you would have given your heart instantanoeusly when he

> asked. here ,if Lord Rama wants a heart .let Him take mine as He

and

> my Ma Smashan Tara are one and the same and Iam just giving this

to

> my heavenly father " ,so saying he ripped open his chest with his

> fingers,tore out his heart, and even before he could hand out the

> heart he diesd bleeding. Then tulsidas plucked hi s heart and went

> into meditatio n to offer the heart to Rama,Rama smiled at him and

> said " Now do you see how a real lover behaves with his beloeved?

He

> loved smashan Tara so much he gave his heart thinking it was her

in

> me. Will you do the same thing if he comes and asks please give a

> heart to my mother? You will run away scared at both the prospect

of

> giving your heart and also hating the foul-smelling Devi called

> smashan tara who resides in a cemetry!..from now on do not use the

> words Prapathi and saranagathi for me! " And he dissappeared. And

> Tulsidas had to keep quite and acknowledge the greatness of the

> aghori. And what became of the aghori? He went to the " land of

> Rama " (read Smashan Tara) before Tulsidas could struggle his way.

>

> Surrender ,surrender and surrender these are the only three words

> which will take you to your guru.

>

> sURRENDER WITH ALL YOUR MIND WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT WITH ALL YOUR

HEART

> AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL.FOR HE/SHE IS THE GREAT REDEEMER.

>

> Getting a guru is very very difficult. It is not easy. With

sadhana

> one can get visions of gods and godesses but not your true,eka

guru!

> Guru decides when he has to come but still as a lover of your guru

> you can yearn for him and the message will be passed by ether to

him

> and he will come.

>

> Ofcourse some do Gurugeetha and stuff to obtai Him but myfriend

> Guru is not another routine or another sadhana! He comes and

gives.

> He also instills the very inspirtaion that you have to seek him.

> Since you have this idea that Guru must come into your life. It

has

> been instilled by your guru somehwere in the cosmos...whoever that

> might be.

>

> One has to keep thinking of guru every second to obtain him and

then

> when he comes the wheel is complete you both can keep rolling for

> eternity.

>

>

> Happy rolling,

>

> Shreeram Balijepalli

Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , Tejaswi Srivvetsa

> <tejaswi2@g...> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> > When the Student is ready " The teacher will appear " , this is

> what I have

> > read long time back. When you are ready to receive the teachings

> without

> > doubting the Seer/Guru he/she will appear. As said doubt should

> not be

> > there. Any how that is Philosophy, not so much use only to

ponder

> on it.

> > I read somewhere that " Om Namah Shivaya " is a good mantra as

who

> else can

> > be a greater GURU than him.

> > In one of the texts that I have read try this Akshara " HREEM " .

> You will

> > see the path.

> > If this is fits Moderator Shreeram will allow or may not.

> > Thanks

> > Anand