Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Dear Shreeram, Can u tell me where is Kala Bhairava temple in Tamilnadu? SR.Rajkumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Dear Rajkumar Avargale, There is one in Coimbatore in Arulmigu Rathina Vinayagar Temple: Kalabhairavar , R.S. Puram. sometimes the deity is known as just bhairavar in Tamilnadu. In Madurai there is one 14-century-old Sri Dhandayudapaniswamy temple in it too there is a Kalabhairava alayam. bhairava is the guardian deity of the abode of God shiva. So he is called kshetra pAla. The term bhairava means " Terrific " . As the guardian of the abode of Lord, his form is very fierce, with ery many kind of weapons, naked and decorated with skull and having a smile on the face that threatens the wrong doers and protects the devotees. He has a dog as his vehicle. So he is referred as shuna vAhanar. bhairava is not a form of Lord shiva, but a form very closely associated and he is one of the powers assigned by the Lord. It is the custom that the keys of the temple are submitted to bhairava after the pujas are completed for the day and again taken from him the next morning before the opening. As the guardian deity he is also worshipped after any of the festivals at the temple. bhairava would be having an abode naturally in all the Lord shiva temples. The kAsi (vArANasi) abode is much renowned abode of bhairav, as he is the protector of that whole city - the holy land of the Lord vishvanath. Adishankara has sung a stotra in praise of kAla bhairava of kAshi.(1) purANa of the deity When brahma and viShNu were got into an argument who is the supreme, Lord shiva appeared as the column of fire in between them. kAla bhairava cut off the fifth head of brahma that lied in ego and he having that skull of brahma as the bowl, bhairava took the blood of mahA viShNu in that. The two got to understand their mistake and worshipped Lord shiva. God appointed bhairava to be the protector deity. He also appointed him as the protector of the town kAshi. bhairava ensures that nobody misuses the belongings of Lord shiva and he is dreaded to punish and correct those who misuse the temple properties. Various bhairava mUrthams kAlabhairavar acithAN^ga bhairavar krotha bhairavar kaNda bhairavar unmaththa bhairavar kapAla bhairavar vibUShaNa bhairavar mArththANDa bhairavar suthan^dhira bhairavar svEccA bhairavar lOka bhairavar ugra bhairavar praccaiya bhairvar ninmANava bhairavar bUShaNa bhairavar This deity who appears terrific is the protector of the devotees. His valour gives courage to good people and deterence to those who do the wrong things so that they get corrected Almost every other village in Tamilnadu will be having something on Bhairavar and hence the list will be long. You can also visit Nanganallur temple and find a KalaBhairava idol consecrated as the kshetra and dwara palaka. It has been energised and 'yantrized' b y swami himself. Hope this suffices... Eshwaree Rakshathu! Shreeram Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " srirajarajeswari9 " <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > Dear Shreeram, > Can u tell me where is Kala Bhairava temple in Tamilnadu? > SR.Rajkumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Dear RajKumar Avargale, It is not true Kalabhairava will stop the progress of any sincere spiritual aspirant. People say that out oif ignorance and fear. The very 'kala' is contrued as black when in reality it means 'Time'. Some people even opine that he is the highest deity as he controls death.Vimalananda Aghori(his real name was different of the famous 'aghora' series of books by robert svoboda also opined so). If a deity is a dwarapalaka then why should he symbolically stop any aspirant from going to the main deity. Are the deities inside the ''building'' impotent and at the mercy of this 'notorious' dwarapalaka? One must use commonsense which is very uncommon(as I always say). He neither encourages other deities sadhana nor sicourages other deities sadhana. He is an entity in himself and if properly activated can take you heights too. He can guide you to further bigger sadhanas and act as your guru. However his sadhanas are not advisable for householders. It will create tensions and problems in your life because he gives some problems to cleanse your karma especially if you doing say 1008 times his mantra on a daily basis. However a small anushtan on him for a mandala(7 weeks) is good to fetch his darshan if done for 10008 times a day.Mantras must be got from a kalabhairava upasaka. If a dwarapalaka stops aspirants then it will mean vishnu sleeping on a snake will make his snake bite you! Shiva riding on a bull will gore you death! And Amba Rajarajeshwari having a sugarcane bow will give you sweet Cane juice!(well,this is true i would say as she definitely gives you the sweet juice of spirituality!) There is no end to the stupidity of kaliyuga manavas. Symbols are what they are ' 'symbolic' nothing more and construing too much of a meaning into things which are not said or intended is 'throwing the baby out with the baby water'. Regarding the question whether kalabhairava can enter your body...The strict answer to this is YES .He can enter 'avishkara' of a deity is possible but in kaliyuga they dont normally enter our foru body system which is highly polluted with sinful thoughts and if anyone says he has had Ambal on him or kalabhaiarava on him I will take it with a pinch of salt(rather buckets of salt!). They will not be able to bear those shakthis. Their physical body itself is not attuned to it. It is like you going and sitting on a small mushroom. The mushroom will be smashed to smithereens! Atleast a mushroom might have a chance to survive your onslaught but ordinary humans like us cannot bear such a heavy rush of pure energies. Take it from me (and my experiences.)I cannot reval any further. However there is no harm in trying for an avishakara and trying to rub off some of the energies using 'Ehyehi' mantras but claiming that shiva is sitting in one's body or Ambal sitting in one's body and cheating others and first yourself will go nowhere. Merits of kalabhairava sadhana: Fearlessness Powers Dominion over spirits,demons and other ethereal enities. Paves the way for higher and secretive sadhanas and gives the necessary dose of confidence in these times of growing disblief and logic Shiva's grace. Protection secret knowledge of yantras,divine medicines,male deity tantric procedures Demerits Very easy prey to ego and lust(many kalabhairava upasaks i know have succumbed to lust by luring some woman and having sex with her and then paying for it very drastically sometimes with their lives...kalabhairava will kick ass(using an americanism) if one misbehaves. stagnancy(maybe this is what your friends meant or mistook for kalabhaiarava's stopping an aspirants' progress)...this is beacseu the person thinks he knows it all.....Only a fool will stop learning.Even brahma rishis who are the top controllers still do sadhanas and learn every small thing cosmos ahs to teach. Just because one has got sarva vidya siddhi one should not think one has learnt all. Vidya has many meanings! problems in family life which i mentioned before. death due to fear while doing the sadhana as one has to handle spirits and lower order entities when doing which will be sent during the sadhana as a test. If you are prepared for all this go ahead and do it and forget your family and job while doing it. If you undertake anything go for it fullfledged and do the extreme things for it else dont do it. A thing fully done is well done according to me. One can have different gurus for different sadhanas but if one has found his eka guru or moskha guru one need not go anywhere and learn everything from him/her. That is why i said eka guru is difficult. He must be a rishi atleast like agastya and who will come in person before you and teach you certain things and then you will achieve a few things atleast. No use running behind small time swamis and babas, unless they have a divine connection. Kalabhaiarava are you listening?!! Live,learn,love and leave a legacy! Eshwaree Rakshathu! Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " SR.Raj kumar " <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > Dear Shreeramji, > I need some more information. Since some people have been advising not to go for kal bhairav sadhana and some for it, I thought I would get some information from you. The claims of people are--Since Kala Bhairavar is the dwarapalakar, he will not allow the upasak to do or succeed in any other upasana. They say he will block the entry of all other gods/goddess. > Another section of people say that if he is pleased, then the entry of other goddess/ gods shall be easy. > Which is true? > Will kaala bhairavar get inside the sadhaks body when he performs his sadhana? > What are the merits and demerits of this sadhana? > > Can one have different gurus for different sadhanas? > > Please reply. > thanks > SR.Rajkumar > para_anuloma <para_anuloma> wrote: > Dear Rajkumar Avargale, > > There is one in Coimbatore in Arulmigu Rathina Vinayagar Temple: > Kalabhairavar , R.S. Puram. > > sometimes the deity is known as just bhairavar in Tamilnadu. > > > In Madurai > > there is one > > 14-century-old Sri Dhandayudapaniswamy temple in it too there is a > Kalabhairava alayam. > > > bhairava is the guardian deity of the abode of God shiva. So he is > called kshetra pAla. The term bhairava means " Terrific " . As the > guardian of the abode of Lord, his form is very fierce, with ery > many kind of weapons, naked and decorated with skull and having a > smile on the face that threatens the wrong doers and protects the > devotees. He has a dog as his vehicle. So he is referred as shuna > vAhanar. > > bhairava is not a form of Lord shiva, but a form very closely > associated and he is one of the powers assigned by the Lord. It is > the custom that the keys of the temple are submitted to bhairava > after the pujas are completed for the day and again taken from him > the next morning before the opening. As the guardian deity he is > also worshipped after any of the festivals at the temple. > > bhairava would be having an abode naturally in all the Lord shiva > temples. The kAsi (vArANasi) abode is much renowned abode of > bhairav, as he is the protector of that whole city - the holy land > of the Lord vishvanath. Adishankara has sung a stotra in praise of > kAla bhairava of kAshi.(1) > > purANa of the deity > When brahma and viShNu were got into an argument who is the supreme, > Lord shiva appeared as the column of fire in between them. kAla > bhairava cut off the fifth head of brahma that lied in ego and he > having that skull of brahma as the bowl, bhairava took the blood of > mahA viShNu in that. The two got to understand their mistake and > worshipped Lord shiva. > > God appointed bhairava to be the protector deity. He also appointed > him as the protector of the town kAshi. bhairava ensures that nobody > misuses the belongings of Lord shiva and he is dreaded to punish and > correct those who misuse the temple properties. > > Various bhairava mUrthams > kAlabhairavar > acithAN^ga bhairavar > krotha bhairavar > kaNda bhairavar > unmaththa bhairavar > kapAla bhairavar > vibUShaNa bhairavar > mArththANDa bhairavar > suthan^dhira bhairavar > svEccA bhairavar > lOka bhairavar > ugra bhairavar > praccaiya bhairvar > ninmANava bhairavar > bUShaNa bhairavar > This deity who appears terrific is the protector of the devotees. > His valour gives courage to good people and deterence to those who > do the wrong things so that they get corrected > > Almost every other village in Tamilnadu will be having something on > Bhairavar and hence the list will be long. > > You can also visit Nanganallur temple and find a KalaBhairava idol > consecrated as the kshetra and dwara palaka. It has been energised > and 'yantrized' b y swami himself. > > Hope this suffices... > > Eshwaree Rakshathu! > > Shreeram > > > > > --- In Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " srirajarajeswari9 " > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > Dear Shreeram, > > Can u tell me where is Kala Bhairava temple in Tamilnadu? > > SR.Rajkumar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Dear RajkumarAnna, Iam calling you Anna because Iam going to tell a small advice as your younger brother. Iam very young in age than you. I experienced so many difficultites in life and when I had kundalini disturbances doing some stupid things written in books. Books are the scrouge of kaliyuga and these days everyone are gurus of their own. From my heart I will say Do not go behind AMBAL.....Yes, You heard me right...do not go behind Ambal. Go behind Guru. wHEN EVERYONE LEFT ME,WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD INCLUDING MY PHYSICAL MOTHER DUBBED ME MAD.IT WAS MY GURU WHO SAVED ME NOT EVEN AMBAL WHO GAVE ME LOT OF VISIONS OF HERS BUT WHEN IT CAME TO A CRISIS IT WAS MY GURU(I dont want to go into issues like " ambal only came in guru form and stuff like that " ...Thats all intellectualsing by srividya upasakas...dont fall for such clever talk. When I approached srividya upasakas for my kundalini problems. They were just yakking and yakking about it. Noone helped me. EXCEPT MY GURU. I then made a descion that I will amass knowledge more than these people who did not even extend a hand to me when I was dying(even death would have been better!...you do not know about the dangers of kundalini yoga....for a start you can read Pandit gopikrishna's book you will know what problems he faced when a wrong channel(ida naadi) opened...my problem was thousand times more severe than him " My eyes are filled with tears....as Iam typing these to you my nanba! I normally cry only before amba...but guru!!!!.....even tears are a waste! tears are salty....will you offer something salty to a person whom you love the most?.......pray tell me....this is not poetic talk nanba!...it is coming from my heart...that is why i even stop my tears when i think of my guru...today i have sinned by offering him my salty useless tears!..let these tears be for amba! Search not beauty! Amba might be very beautiful...but beware....also....there are many pitfalls in your mind and noone can save you except guru! You are lucky very lucky you have not faced the problems which i hjave faced.....even my own sister(blood) is in this group and she says " iam here to watch you not over do things! " Iam an emotional scoundrel my dear friend but take it from me this scoundrel loves his guru the most! Iam unable to type anything more than this......my fingers are shaking at the ahetuki kripa of my guru! That is why i love shirdi sai baba because he will tear his heart out and give to his guru! I have been brought up in a datta path my friend and certain things wont die till my last breath and all the time the only chant which used to ring my ears even when i was a baby was sri guru datta jaya guru datta...guru sarvam jagad mithyam! sorry for blabbering my heart out Scribbles of an emotional scoundrel! Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " SR.Raj kumar " <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > Dear Shreeram, > I am blessed by Rajarajeswari herself to obtain and to keep obtaining information from you. As it happens, on a daily basis, I am learning something new. And I am soo happy that there is somebody to enlighten me about the truth while all these days I was just aspirin if somebody would come to me and teach me. My father taught me all he knew about veda puranas in my younger days and hence my interest towards spirituality has known no ends. My ultimate aim is Ambal. But I think she hasnt accepted me and I am in the wait. My guru has not yet granted me diksha for Sri Vidya which I am soo desirous and even dont wish to go to another guru for the same because it is Ambals will. She will call me when she finds I am fit for her shishyatva. Maybe its in my chart to tune myself before approaching her. But I am sure she will call me someday and I shall wait for that day. > Thanks to you. > Jai Ambal Rajarajeswari thunai > > para_anuloma <para_anuloma> wrote: > Dear RajKumar Avargale, > > It is not true Kalabhairava will stop the progress of any sincere > spiritual aspirant. > > People say that out oif ignorance and fear. The very 'kala' is > contrued as black when in reality it means 'Time'. > > Some people even opine that he is the highest deity as he controls > death.Vimalananda Aghori(his real name was different of the > famous 'aghora' series of books by robert svoboda also opined so). > > If a deity is a dwarapalaka then why should he symbolically stop any > aspirant from going to the main deity. Are the deities inside > the ''building'' impotent and at the mercy of this 'notorious' > dwarapalaka? > > One must use commonsense which is very uncommon(as I always say). > > He neither encourages other deities sadhana nor sicourages other > deities sadhana. He is an entity in himself and if properly > activated can take you heights too. He can guide you to further > bigger sadhanas and act as your guru. > > However his sadhanas are not advisable for householders. It will > create tensions and problems in your life because he gives some > problems to cleanse your karma especially if you doing say 1008 > times his mantra on a daily basis. However a small anushtan on him > for a mandala(7 weeks) is good to fetch his darshan if done for > 10008 times a day.Mantras must be got from a kalabhairava upasaka. > > If a dwarapalaka stops aspirants then > > it will mean vishnu sleeping on a snake will make his snake bite you! > > Shiva riding on a bull will gore you death! > > And Amba Rajarajeshwari having a sugarcane bow will give you sweet > Cane juice!(well,this is true i would say as she definitely gives > you the sweet juice of spirituality!) > > There is no end to the stupidity of kaliyuga manavas. > > Symbols are what they are ' > 'symbolic' nothing more and construing too much of a meaning into > things which are not said or intended is 'throwing the baby out with > the baby water'. > > Regarding the question whether kalabhairava can enter your > body...The strict answer to this is YES .He can enter 'avishkara' of > a deity is possible but in kaliyuga they dont normally enter our > foru body system which is highly polluted with sinful thoughts and > if anyone says he has had Ambal on him or kalabhaiarava on him I > will take it with a pinch of salt(rather buckets of salt!). They > will not be able to bear those shakthis. Their physical body itself > is not attuned to it. It is like you going and sitting on a small > mushroom. The mushroom will be smashed to smithereens! Atleast a > mushroom might have a chance to survive your onslaught but ordinary > humans like us cannot bear such a heavy rush of pure energies. Take > it from me (and my experiences.)I cannot reval any further. However > there is no harm in trying for an avishakara and trying to rub off > some of the energies using 'Ehyehi' mantras but claiming that shiva > is sitting in one's body or Ambal sitting in one's body and cheating > others and first yourself will go nowhere. > > Merits of kalabhairava sadhana: > > Fearlessness > Powers > Dominion over spirits,demons and other ethereal enities. > Paves the way for higher and secretive sadhanas and gives the > necessary dose of confidence in these times of growing disblief and > logic > Shiva's grace. > Protection > secret knowledge of yantras,divine medicines,male deity tantric > procedures > > > > > Demerits > > Very easy prey to ego and lust(many kalabhairava upasaks i know have > succumbed to lust by luring some woman and having sex with her and > then paying for it very drastically sometimes with their > lives...kalabhairava will kick ass(using an americanism) if one > misbehaves. > > stagnancy(maybe this is what your friends meant or mistook for > kalabhaiarava's stopping an aspirants' progress)...this is beacseu > the person thinks he knows it all.....Only a fool will stop > learning.Even brahma rishis who are the top controllers still do > sadhanas and learn every small thing cosmos ahs to teach. Just > because one has got sarva vidya siddhi one should not think one has > learnt all. Vidya has many meanings! > > problems in family life which i mentioned before. > > death due to fear while doing the sadhana as one has to handle > spirits and lower order entities when doing which will be sent > during the sadhana as a test. > > If you are prepared for all this go ahead and do it and forget your > family and job while doing it. If you undertake anything go for it > fullfledged and do the extreme things for it else dont do it. A > thing fully done is well done according to me. > > One can have different gurus for different sadhanas but if one has > found his eka guru or moskha guru one need not go anywhere and learn > everything from him/her. That is why i said eka guru is difficult. > He must be a rishi atleast like agastya and who will come in person > before you and teach you certain things and then you will achieve a > few things atleast. No use running behind small time swamis and > babas, unless they have a divine connection. > > Kalabhaiarava are you listening?!! > > Live,learn,love and leave a legacy! > > Eshwaree Rakshathu! > > Shreeram Balijepalli > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " SR.Raj kumar " > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > Dear Shreeramji, > > I need some more information. Since some people have been > advising not to go for kal bhairav sadhana and some for it, I > thought I would get some information from you. The claims of people > are--Since Kala Bhairavar is the dwarapalakar, he will not allow the > upasak to do or succeed in any other upasana. They say he will block > the entry of all other gods/goddess. > > Another section of people say that if he is pleased, then the > entry of other goddess/ gods shall be easy. > > Which is true? > > Will kaala bhairavar get inside the sadhaks body when he performs > his sadhana? > > What are the merits and demerits of this sadhana? > > > > Can one have different gurus for different sadhanas? > > > > Please reply. > > thanks > > SR.Rajkumar > > para_anuloma <para_anuloma> wrote: > > Dear Rajkumar Avargale, > > > > There is one in Coimbatore in Arulmigu Rathina Vinayagar Temple: > > Kalabhairavar , R.S. Puram. > > > > sometimes the deity is known as just bhairavar in Tamilnadu. > > > > > > In Madurai > > > > there is one > > > > 14-century-old Sri Dhandayudapaniswamy temple in it too there is > a > > Kalabhairava alayam. > > > > > > bhairava is the guardian deity of the abode of God shiva. So he is > > called kshetra pAla. The term bhairava means " Terrific " . As the > > guardian of the abode of Lord, his form is very fierce, with ery > > many kind of weapons, naked and decorated with skull and having a > > smile on the face that threatens the wrong doers and protects the > > devotees. He has a dog as his vehicle. So he is referred as shuna > > vAhanar. > > > > bhairava is not a form of Lord shiva, but a form very closely > > associated and he is one of the powers assigned by the Lord. It is > > the custom that the keys of the temple are submitted to bhairava > > after the pujas are completed for the day and again taken from him > > the next morning before the opening. As the guardian deity he is > > also worshipped after any of the festivals at the temple. > > > > bhairava would be having an abode naturally in all the Lord shiva > > temples. The kAsi (vArANasi) abode is much renowned abode of > > bhairav, as he is the protector of that whole city - the holy land > > of the Lord vishvanath. Adishankara has sung a stotra in praise of > > kAla bhairava of kAshi.(1) > > > > purANa of the deity > > When brahma and viShNu were got into an argument who is the > supreme, > > Lord shiva appeared as the column of fire in between them. kAla > > bhairava cut off the fifth head of brahma that lied in ego and he > > having that skull of brahma as the bowl, bhairava took the blood > of > > mahA viShNu in that. The two got to understand their mistake and > > worshipped Lord shiva. > > > > God appointed bhairava to be the protector deity. He also > appointed > > him as the protector of the town kAshi. bhairava ensures that > nobody > > misuses the belongings of Lord shiva and he is dreaded to punish > and > > correct those who misuse the temple properties. > > > > Various bhairava mUrthams > > kAlabhairavar > > acithAN^ga bhairavar > > krotha bhairavar > > kaNda bhairavar > > unmaththa bhairavar > > kapAla bhairavar > > vibUShaNa bhairavar > > mArththANDa bhairavar > > suthan^dhira bhairavar > > svEccA bhairavar > > lOka bhairavar > > ugra bhairavar > > praccaiya bhairvar > > ninmANava bhairavar > > bUShaNa bhairavar > > This deity who appears terrific is the protector of the devotees. > > His valour gives courage to good people and deterence to those who > > do the wrong things so that they get corrected > > > > Almost every other village in Tamilnadu will be having something > on > > Bhairavar and hence the list will be long. > > > > You can also visit Nanganallur temple and find a KalaBhairava idol > > consecrated as the kshetra and dwara palaka. It has been energised > > and 'yantrized' b y swami himself. > > > > Hope this suffices... > > > > Eshwaree Rakshathu! > > > > Shreeram > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " srirajarajeswari9 " > > <srirajarajeswari9> wrote: > > > Dear Shreeram, > > > Can u tell me where is Kala Bhairava temple in Tamilnadu? > > > SR.Rajkumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Dear Berijoy ma, The files section is full and I have even started another group just to accomodate files.(with the name Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru_files) I will however accomodate your request in our database section where we can add " suggested book reading " . However I feel mantras,tantras and yantraic procedures are to be got from a guru. I will however post all books which I find interesting. You might also start reading the AGHORA Volume 1,2 and 3 by Robert svoboda. It is there is www.amazon.com and also now it being sold as a set of four books along with another book on saturn by the same author. He has also written other books like prakriti and ayurveda for women. There is yet another book you might find interesting...it is " Kali's odyssey " by Amarananda Bhairava. And also " HOW A MASTER WORKS " By one lady authoress called Lucy. This book is regarding Meherbaba. I have tons of books in my house and also buy many books every month. I make it a point to read atleast 6 to 7 books per month. But then after a point knowledge becomes a donkey's burden. You start intellectualising and trying to think too much. Spirituality cannot be got either from thinking too much or by reading books. It has to be got from a guru. People say to me... " you know so much then why go behind a guru " ...That is precisely the point...I know so much that i want to go behind my guru....when knowing so much means that you do not know anything really! Points to ponder! Your brother, Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , Devi's Daughter <devi.daughter@g...> wrote: > Dear Br. Sreeram > > This makes me think of something else. Have you thought of maybe > starting a book suggestion list for the group? I bet you have some good > things to recommend. I bet that there are many others who would also > have good things to suggest, too! > > Jai Maa! > > Devi's Daughter wrote: > > > Thank you, dear Brother. > > > > I shall put them on my list of must-read books! (I love to read of > > others' spiritual experiences). > > > > Thank you! > > > -- > Be Love, > Egyirba (Berijoy) > http://www.egyirba.net > > > -=-=- > ... Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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