Guest guest Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 seevan enna sivan enna verillai seevanar sivanarai arikilar seevanar sivanarai arinthapin seevanar sivanaittu iruppare ----thirumanthiram --- para_anuloma <para_anuloma wrote: > Dear Members, > > Sivane potri sivandiyen potri! > Thiruchitrambalam! > > Eventhough this is a bit out of 'Amba-context'...i > would like to say > that I too love Thirumantiram and I wish to keep my > experiences > under wraps though as I dont believe in clinging to > experiences(it > just creates a subtle ego in me) Also Iam half-baked > before compared > to greats! > > But the point i want to make is a reading of > thirumantiram is very > satisfying to one and all. Ramakrishna mutt > publications have come > with a english trasnlation of this. > > Shiva is a great deity and once Amba whispered in my > ears " Without > devotion to Appa one is not complete " ...i did not > know what to > do...i just ran and bought four packets of aavin > milk and pured on > the lingas kept outside of the garbhagriha of > kapaleeswara and also > i placed a bilva leaf and flowers on the feet of the > 63 nayanmars in > the temples(aruvathimuuvar). > > Shiva is too much for my imagination so to speak! > If Rajarjeshwari devi is my Meiyammai > Esaa sarvesaa is my meiappan! > > However appa is a bit strict!(though many think he > is very bhole > with many words describing him like anbe > shivam!)...I have > experienced his strict baton and later his loving > embrace too!(but > the baton was really painful!)So, I prefer to remain > to remain with > the love of my compassionate motherAmba who is > ever-forgiving!(I > really cant understand why people are afraid of amba > and tell me > stories like she is a " kainkaari daa! " ...yes she has > a divine > kainkarya and in that respect she is a > kaaainkaari!....Kainkaari > indeed! > > > sitthar sivanodu adaa adaa! > Sengayar kanmaniodu adaa adaa! > Subodhanum inbathil adaa adaa! > > Shreeram Balijepalli > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , > nama siva > <nama_sivam> wrote: > > > > anbarhale, > > > > > > Thirumanthiram > > > > Enathu arimuha urai > > Thirumoolar 3000 padalgalai padiullar. > > Palarum atharkku urai eluthi ullanar. > > Nan 3 aandukalukku mun tharcheyalaka ethanai > padikka > > nernthathu. > > Atharkku mun udal upathaiil erunthu > neenguvatharkkaka > > nan thyanam katren. > > Thyanam pannumpothu sila aha katchikalai nan kana > > nernthathu. > > Antha katchikalukkum thirumanthira padalkalukkum > oru > > sambantham eruppathaha enkku therinthathu. > > Enave nan kanda katchihalai padangalaha > varainthen. > > Antha padangalukku keele thirumanthira paadalgalai > > eluthiullen. > > Entha padangalai silaridam kaatiullen. > > Piragu internet moolam oru group amaithhu palarum > > ariya thuninthulllen. > > Plz visit > > thirumoolar/ > > namasivayam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 dear para_anuloma, thank you verymuch namasivayam --- para_anuloma <para_anuloma wrote: > Dear Members, > For those who do not know Tamil let me translate > this verse which > our esteemed member has posted from Thirumantiram > > Seeva nenna siva nennave rillai > Seeva naarsiva naarai arigilaar > Seeva naarsiva naarai arinthapin > Seeva naarsiva naayittu iruppare.(2017th verse in > Thirumantiram) > > This comes in Tantra seven under Bodhan(Lord as > giver of light of > jnana)..Maybe this verse struck him seeing my name > as 'su-bodhan'! > > This means > > Jiva and siva > Seperate are not > Jiva knows not siva; > when jiva knows siva > jiva becomes siva. > > (Jiva and saiva are one and the same and the with > the knowledge of > siva,jiva becomes siva) > > Very succintly put. > > But this attains completion in another verse from > the same great text > in Tantra 6 under the grace of Guru's feet...verse > 1595 > > Thirumoolar did not believe in things like 'inner > guru' without > first having an external guru in the form of > Nandi(not to be > confused with either siva or the bull which siva > rides but a rishi > in kailasha who was thirumoolar's Guru) > > So, this verse which goes like this,expounds how a > jiva is > transformed into siva > > Pechatra inbatthu peraanandathile! > Maasatra ennai sivamaakki maalvithu! > Kosatra sothi kandanmoondrunkaikondu! > Vaaccha pugalmaala thaasthanthu mannume'! > > He(Guru) cleansed me of my blemishes, > Transformed me shivam-supreme, > And immersed me into His bliss infinite; > Bliss that is beyond,beyond words(pechatra!) > The fire of His grace scorches not > Yet drank dry the three seas of my > impurities(Agam,puram,kaamam) > And annihilating my primal ego to its traces > He granted me His Feet of Grace; > And there does He abide,forever,in me > > Om sree Rajagopala Anandanaathya namaha(My offerings > of sweet love > to my Guru's feet!) > > And I might add another verse from Thirumantiram > which is as much a > shaktha text as is it is shaiva. > > This verse is from Tantra 4, > verse 1243 under Aadharavadeyam(Support & Supported) > > Navirunan Mantiram Nanmalar Dhoopam > Kavariya kandankavarntheri deebam, > Payittrum ulaginir Paarpathi poosai > Avikonda sothikor Archanai thaane'! > > Shakthi worship is shiva worship > > Chant her holy mantra > Worship with flowers fragrant > Burn the incense, > Light the multi-flamed lamp, > Thus perform the worship of Rajarajeshwaree; > The oblations that you do in archana offer > Are for the Lord of Divine light as well. > > According to me, > Here her holy mantra refers not just to panchadasi > mantra but her > constant remmeberance in good and bad. Flowers > fragrant refer not to > japakusuma and jasmine but justful thoughts worthy > for her Saffron > lotus feet. Burning the incense means not just > burning the black > stem of Herbs mixed with sandal but to burn the > black stem of ego > within. Lighting the multi-flamed lamp not just > means the lighting > the pancha-deepa but to light the panchabhutha deepa > inside you my > dear members.When this is done then She,the empress > of the universe > who is one with the Lord of Light(parashivam here) > will accept those > offerings with a smile and this is the same as > offering these to > shiva who is infact She in his yin-form. > > Though this explantion of a seemingly simple > statement made by > thirumoolar by me seems to be farfetched I still > stick to my words! > > Anbe shivam > Shivame shaaktham! > > Yours yogically, > > Shreeram Balijepalli > > > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , > nama siva > <nama_sivam> wrote: > > seevan enna sivan enna verillai > > seevanar sivanarai arikilar > > seevanar sivanarai arinthapin > > seevanar sivanaittu iruppare > > > > ----thirumanthiram > > --- para_anuloma <para_anuloma> wrote: > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Sivane potri sivandiyen potri! > > > Thiruchitrambalam! > > > > > > Eventhough this is a bit out of > 'Amba-context'...i > > > would like to say > > > that I too love Thirumantiram and I wish to keep > my > > > experiences > > > under wraps though as I dont believe in clinging > to > > > experiences(it > > > just creates a subtle ego in me) Also Iam > half-baked > > > before compared > > > to greats! > > > > > > But the point i want to make is a reading of > > > thirumantiram is very > > > satisfying to one and all. Ramakrishna mutt > > > publications have come > > > with a english trasnlation of this. > > > > > > Shiva is a great deity and once Amba whispered > in my > > > ears " Without > > > devotion to Appa one is not complete " ...i did > not > > > know what to > > > do...i just ran and bought four packets of aavin > > > milk and pured on > > > the lingas kept outside of the garbhagriha of > > > kapaleeswara and also > > > i placed a bilva leaf and flowers on the feet of > the > > > 63 nayanmars in > > > the temples(aruvathimuuvar). > > > > > > Shiva is too much for my imagination so to > speak! > > > If Rajarjeshwari devi is my Meiyammai > > > Esaa sarvesaa is my meiappan! > > > > > > However appa is a bit strict!(though many think > he > > > is very bhole > > > with many words describing him like anbe > > > shivam!)...I have > > > experienced his strict baton and later his > loving > > > embrace too!(but > > > the baton was really painful!)So, I prefer to > remain > > > to remain with > > > the love of my compassionate motherAmba who is > > > ever-forgiving!(I > > > really cant understand why people are afraid of > amba > > > and tell me > > > stories like she is a " kainkaari daa! " ...yes she > has > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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