[Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru] Why does India suffer with poverty?

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I believe author got some sort of prejudice in his views. And he read in between lines.

For examples in all the vedas it say do this karma, that homa, whereas at the end the same

vedas (in upanashid) say discard karma and strive for the utlimate truth, just opposite what it said in the beginning. Vedas are not contradicting the matter neither Baghavan contradicted in Geeta. He fired those who stopped only with the karmas and not bothered to seek the ultimate truth.

 

And finally India is Karmic Bhoomi. India was quite rich not so long ago, she lost her wealth by occupying forces only. Kohinoor Diamond, tons of gold and precious stones all disappeared. And mind you poverty is every where in wealth, thoughts, actions. I bet our people are far better than anyone in the world. See the recent two flooding incidents in Bombay and New Orleans. No women raped, looted during the calamity though the place got all elements there. Not one woman was raped during the power off nor people looted the shops where as the richer country shown some other picture to the world on a situation lesser magnitude.

 

I beg you not to degenerate our mother land and our custom because we are poor. It is collective responsbility of parents children and others to impart the knowledge of our culture. If you have to know the meaning nobody denies that. If you dont have interest nobody can help. You have to be thirsty to feel the taste of the water. All noble actions with sincere motives will lead to you the correct path. do not get disheartened. Showing the food the statue is not trick. God is not expecting our food. He is full with or without it. It is to tame your bhava that you offer to creator, to tame your selfishness that you offer it Him and then partake it as prasada. Man has to be be groomed properly. a six year old cannot grasp the bachelor's degree subject. he has to come through proper steps. authors remarks just resemles of a graduate is ridiculing some 2nd std students sylabus. if you are really on higher self, you

will not ridicule any path. man, all roads lead to rome.

 

venkat

 

 

 

 

prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

 

 

 

dear friends

 

Swami Vivekananda cried loudly facing the sky, “ Why India, with such rich spiritual knowledge, is suffering with poverty”. Only Lord Datta can give the answer to this question. Today, the answer is given. Any country means its people and their mentality. Mind decides everything and action follows accordingly. If the mentality is analyzed, the action and its fruit become clear.

 

Almost all the foreign countries are blessed with wealth except India. So, the mentality of all the people in this universe is different from the mentality of Indians. This difference in the mentalities is responsible for the difference in the attitude towards God to bless all the countries in the world except India.

 

Let us compare the rituals, which are considered as worship of God. In every ritual, the essence is to praise the Lord and develop devotion. This brings universal equality in the rituals. Otherwise, if you say that God is worshipped by such and such hymns only, God becomes prejudiced since that hymn is restricted only to that part of the country. When the Lord is pleased, He will bless the person performing the ritual. In India, does anyone know that a ritual means worship of God? Let us take the marriage ceremony as an example. Indians think that once the ceremony is performed, the couple is bonded. For such a bond, a registrar’s office will do. Then what is the use of the ritual performed for so many hours? The hymns are uttered in Sanskrit and neither the priest nor the couple, know the meaning of the hymn. The priest does not explain the

meaning of the hymns. The meanings have inner meanings, which end in praising the Lord only. It is the foremost duty of the priest to explain the inner meaning of the hymns to the people and make them devotees of the Lord. This is the main aim of the ritual. By the time the marriage ends, the couple should become devotees of the Lord. The devotion not only bonds the couple but also brings the blessings of the Lord to them. For a mere marriage, a registrar’s office will do, which can substitute this ritual. Actually, people are thinking in this way and the youngsters are following them.

 

In other countries, prayers are sung in their mother tongue. Atleast the people are catching the meaning of the prayers in this case. But, there also, the priest should explain the inner meaning that can alone bring the divine knowledge and devotion in the people. But, the situation in India is worse since the meaning is not known. A priest should be a scholar in Sanskrit and simple recitation is of no use. ‘Sastras’ say that there is no use of mere recitation of Vedic hymns (“Ananthajnah…”). People have started using a tape recorder for the chanting of hymns. The reason is that people think that a ritual is a mere recitation of hymns. Gita says that knowledge is more important than the action of the ritual (“Sreyan….”). The aim of the priest is to make the people devotees of the Lord. This main aim is completely lost. This aim is the aim of

the work of the Lord in a human incarnation. So, the priests are the real helpers of the Lord in His work. When this aim is lost, the life of the rituals is lost. The aim of the ritual today for a priest is to get some money for the labour of recitation and for the people, the aim is to finish the formality.

 

For a ritual, several people are invited, so that they also become devotees by that ritual. But now, people are attending the function as a formality only to bless the couple. Can a human being bless another human being? The people should become devotees and get the blessings of the Lord by attending a ritual, if the ritual is done in the right sense. If the priest performs the ritual in the right sense, the Lord will bless him and the people and also the country with the immense wealth. The rituals are the paths of divine knowledge and devotion and not mere formalities or paths of earning some petty money. Today, Lord Datta is advising all the Indians to rectify this mistake and please the Lord so that He will bless India with wealth.

 

Let us take good from the west not only in science, but also in spiritualism. Let us not be egoistic that we are the masters in spiritualism. The Lord never likes egoism. Good is good and diamond is diamond in any country. All the human beings are one and the same coming under one category called “Creation”. The second category is “Creator” who is also only one. People are putting food, ghee etc., into the fire in the name of sacrifice, which leads to pollution only. ‘Kapila’, the incarnation of Lord Vishnu, criticized such practice as mentioned in ‘Bhagavatam’. It is only

giving food to a deserving hungry person. Veda says that such deserving person is a devotee or human incarnation of the Lord, who is considered as fire (“Vaisavnaro Brahmanah….”). Gita says that the Lord is in the form of fire in the stomach to receive the food. Lord Krishna with hunger came and asked for the food that was to be offered to the fire and the wives of the sages gave the food to Him. Krishna taught the real sense of sacrifice. He discouraged the sacrifice to a God Indra, for the same reason.

 

In Sadguru, all Gods live as said in Veda (“Yavateeah....”), Offering food to the Sadguru is like offering food to all the Gods. The word ‘Agni’ comes from ‘Agri’, which means the Sadguru is to be fed first. Fire is only an aid to cook the food. This incarnation, Sadguru, called ‘Agni’, stands as witness in the marriage and not the inert fire.

 

Another misinterpretation is about the ‘Gayatri mantra’. Women and some other castes were prohibited to chant this. You also say that no hymn (mantra) is equal to Gayatri. Does this not charge God with injustice? Gayatri does not mean a particular hymn. Gayatri means ‘the sweet style of a song’. Mantra means, that which spontaneously attracts the mind to chant something again and again. Any sweet song on God that attracts the mind to sing it repeatedly and gets the protection of God is called Gayatri (“Gayantam…manantam”). Even a cinema song, slightly modified in the name of God can be a ‘ Gayatri mantra’. For e.g., replace the word ‘Sanam’ by ‘Hare’ in the cinema song “Churaliya hai tumne…”and sing it on Lord Vishnu. You are singing spontaneously without any force. This is a mantra. Gayatri means a meter but not a deity as said “Gayatri

chandah”. This takes you near the Lord, because He likes Sama Veda (songs) as said in the Gita “SamaVedosmi”. ‘Upanayanam’, the ritual in which Gayatri is given means taking you near the Lord. (Upa= Near, Nayanam= taking through a song). So, Gayatri is with women and other castes only who sing about God.

 

Indians are blessed with lot of spiritual knowledge and devotion. Both these are side dishes in a meal. The main item, which is bread or rice, is lost in India. The main item is ‘Karma Phala Tyaga’ (as said in Gita) which means sacrifice of money, which is the ‘Karma phala’ (fruit of the work). Indian scholars have interpreted the meaning of Karma phala as meditation or chanting songs. So, you meditate or chant some hymns and at the end say, “ I have sacrificed the fruit of this work to the Lord!”. The Lord blessed you with good intelligence because of your meditation and good pronunciation for your recitation. As the work, so the fruit. Such intellectual interpretation is only due to your greediness. Indians connect their heart to their children from which love flows. These connection tubes are large and very long. These bonds are very

strong and extend even to their great grand children. Hence, their heart is empty. They connect their intelligence to the Lord, which results in such tricks.

 

The straight test for love is sacrifice of the fruit of your work (money) only. In the west, family bonds are very weak and the love stored in them is diverted to the Lord. How much money they sacrifice for the work of the Lord! They fund even the Indian spiritual centers. Is it not a shame to Indians? The foreigners consider the Lord is same in all the religions and fund Indian centers also. They ask their children to earn and live after a certain age. But in India, people are worried of their heirs in the coming ten generations also, and go on storing the money. When you love your children, you get happiness, which is selfishness only, and this cannot protect your children. If you love God, God can protect your children and that is your real love on your children. Can your love give longevity to your children? Only God can give longevity.

Indians do not want to sacrifice even a rupee for the Lord. But they want to get the blessings of the Lord. They want to please the Lord by mind and words and get money from the Lord! For such purpose, they follow all the intellectual tricks to please the Lord. They eat the food and say that the food is offered to the Lord. For this, the Advaita philosophy is exploited which says that man is God. The aim of that philosophy is to say that a particular man, like Lord Krishna is God. The philosophy is extrapolated to every man.

 

Showing food to statues is another trick. Offering food and money to a deserving person is the actual Karma Phala Tyaga in this context. Statues are meant only to see the incarnation of Lord in His absence, just like a photo of your son who is elsewhere.

 

A Guru criticizes the student not with a negative view. His aim is rectification of the defect and gets the subsequent benefit to his student. This criticism of Indians is done by Lord Datta only to rectify their mistake, to make India rich, and to get India blessed with immense wealth and prosperity.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

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Which is the best path? Karma? Jnana? Or Mixture of Karma and Jnana (Karma Jnana Samucchaya)?

 

A) The stage of Karma alone is like a school in which the teaching is done with the help of inert models. The student here is completely ignorant. The statues, photos, temples and objects in the nature like Sun are the models through which the knowledge of the Lord is preached. Unfortunately these models are thought directly to be the Lord and are worshipped. The second stage is college level where the student with the knowledge of the Lord observes all the human beings as the models of the external form of the Lord, since the Lord comes in human form only. This is Pravrutti in which one loves all the fellow human beings so that he will not hate the human form of the Lord whenever he recognizes. This is the actual Advaita of AdiSankara who said

that every human being is Brahman (the Lord). There is a figure of speech called "Roopaka” in which the object compared is identified with the original object. Ex: This man is tiger. This means that the man and the tiger are very much similar in qualities. So instead of telling the Lord is like human being it is said, as the Lord is the human being (Jeeva is Brahman).

 

In the third stage of the university level the human incarnation of the Lord is recognized and is differentiated from the other human beings by His internal form, which is His Special knowledge (Prajnanam Brahma). In this stage all the egoism and jealousy to the human form must have been removed. At this university level Sankara proved that He alone is Eswara. The water in a drop and the water in the ocean is one and the same. The water is Brahman. The definition of Brahman is confined to simple awareness. In such case every living being (Jeeva) is Brahman since every living being is having awareness. This is the qualitative similarity between water drop and the ocean. But if you see the quantitative

aspect, the water drop is the living being and the ocean is Eswara. Sankara told not only that He is Brahman but He is also Siva who is Eswara (Sivoham). Therefore He swallowed the molten lead where as the disciples could not swallow it. Thus Sankara proved that any living being is Brahman but not Eswara. One should not misunderstand that Brahman (qualitative) and Eswara (Quantitative) are one and the same.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

 

R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote:

 

I believe author got some sort of prejudice in his views. And he read in between lines.

For examples in all the vedas it say do this karma, that homa, whereas at the end the same

vedas (in upanashid) say discard karma and strive for the utlimate truth, just opposite what it said in the beginning. Vedas are not contradicting the matter neither Baghavan contradicted in Geeta. He fired those who stopped only with the karmas and not bothered to seek the ultimate truth.

 

And finally India is Karmic Bhoomi. India was quite rich not so long ago, she lost her wealth by occupying forces only. Kohinoor Diamond, tons of gold and precious stones all disappeared. And mind you poverty is every where in wealth, thoughts, actions. I bet our people are far better than anyone in the world. See the recent two flooding incidents in Bombay and New Orleans. No women raped, looted during the calamity though the place got all elements there. Not one woman was raped during the power off nor people looted the shops where as the richer country shown some other picture to the world on a situation lesser magnitude.

 

I beg you not to degenerate our mother land and our custom because we are poor. It is collective responsbility of parents children and others to impart the knowledge of our culture. If you have to know the meaning nobody denies that. If you dont have interest nobody can help. You have to be thirsty to feel the taste of the water. All noble actions with sincere motives will lead to you the correct path. do not get disheartened. Showing the food the statue is not trick. God is not expecting our food. He is full with or without it. It is to tame your bhava that you offer to creator, to tame your selfishness that you offer it Him and then partake it as prasada. Man has to be be groomed properly. a six year old cannot grasp the bachelor's degree subject. he has to come through proper steps. authors remarks just resemles of a graduate is ridiculing some 2nd std students sylabus. if you are really on higher self, you

will not ridicule any path. man, all roads lead to rome.

 

venkat

 

 

 

 

prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

 

 

 

dear friends

 

Swami Vivekananda cried loudly facing the sky, “ Why India, with such rich spiritual knowledge, is suffering with poverty”. Only Lord Datta can give the answer to this question. Today, the answer is given. Any country means its people and their mentality. Mind decides everything and action follows accordingly. If the mentality is analyzed, the action and its fruit become clear.

 

Almost all the foreign countries are blessed with wealth except India. So, the mentality of all the people in this universe is different from the mentality of Indians. This difference in the mentalities is responsible for the difference in the attitude towards God to bless all the countries in the world except India.

 

Let us compare the rituals, which are considered as worship of God. In every ritual, the essence is to praise the Lord and develop devotion. This brings universal equality in the rituals. Otherwise, if you say that God is worshipped by such and such hymns only, God becomes prejudiced since that hymn is restricted only to that part of the country. When the Lord is pleased, He will bless the person performing the ritual. In India, does anyone know that a ritual means worship of God? Let us take the marriage ceremony as an example. Indians think that once the ceremony is performed, the couple is bonded. For such a bond, a registrar’s office will do. Then what is the use of the ritual performed for so many hours? The hymns are uttered in Sanskrit and neither the priest nor the couple, know the meaning of the hymn. The priest does not explain the

meaning of the hymns. The meanings have inner meanings, which end in praising the Lord only. It is the foremost duty of the priest to explain the inner meaning of the hymns to the people and make them devotees of the Lord. This is the main aim of the ritual. By the time the marriage ends, the couple should become devotees of the Lord. The devotion not only bonds the couple but also brings the blessings of the Lord to them. For a mere marriage, a registrar’s office will do, which can substitute this ritual. Actually, people are thinking in this way and the youngsters are following them.

 

In other countries, prayers are sung in their mother tongue. Atleast the people are catching the meaning of the prayers in this case. But, there also, the priest should explain the inner meaning that can alone bring the divine knowledge and devotion in the people. But, the situation in India is worse since the meaning is not known. A priest should be a scholar in Sanskrit and simple recitation is of no use. ‘Sastras’ say that there is no use of mere recitation of Vedic hymns (“Ananthajnah…”). People have started using a tape recorder for the chanting of hymns. The reason is that people think that a ritual is a mere recitation of hymns. Gita says that knowledge is more important than the action of the ritual (“Sreyan….”). The aim of the priest is to make the people devotees of the Lord. This main aim is completely lost. This aim is the aim of

the work of the Lord in a human incarnation. So, the priests are the real helpers of the Lord in His work. When this aim is lost, the life of the rituals is lost. The aim of the ritual today for a priest is to get some money for the labour of recitation and for the people, the aim is to finish the formality.

 

For a ritual, several people are invited, so that they also become devotees by that ritual. But now, people are attending the function as a formality only to bless the couple. Can a human being bless another human being? The people should become devotees and get the blessings of the Lord by attending a ritual, if the ritual is done in the right sense. If the priest performs the ritual in the right sense, the Lord will bless him and the people and also the country with the immense wealth. The rituals are the paths of divine knowledge and devotion and not mere formalities or paths of earning some petty money. Today, Lord Datta is advising all the Indians to rectify this mistake and please the Lord so that He will bless India with wealth.

 

Let us take good from the west not only in science, but also in spiritualism. Let us not be egoistic that we are the masters in spiritualism. The Lord never likes egoism. Good is good and diamond is diamond in any country. All the human beings are one and the same coming under one category called “Creation”. The second category is “Creator” who is also only one. People are putting food, ghee etc., into the fire in the name of sacrifice, which leads to pollution only. ‘Kapila’, the incarnation of Lord Vishnu, criticized such practice as mentioned in ‘Bhagavatam’. It is only

giving food to a deserving hungry person. Veda says that such deserving person is a devotee or human incarnation of the Lord, who is considered as fire (“Vaisavnaro Brahmanah….”). Gita says that the Lord is in the form of fire in the stomach to receive the food. Lord Krishna with hunger came and asked for the food that was to be offered to the fire and the wives of the sages gave the food to Him. Krishna taught the real sense of sacrifice. He discouraged the sacrifice to a God Indra, for the same reason.

 

In Sadguru, all Gods live as said in Veda (“Yavateeah....”), Offering food to the Sadguru is like offering food to all the Gods. The word ‘Agni’ comes from ‘Agri’, which means the Sadguru is to be fed first. Fire is only an aid to cook the food. This incarnation, Sadguru, called ‘Agni’, stands as witness in the marriage and not the inert fire.

 

Another misinterpretation is about the ‘Gayatri mantra’. Women and some other castes were prohibited to chant this. You also say that no hymn (mantra) is equal to Gayatri. Does this not charge God with injustice? Gayatri does not mean a particular hymn. Gayatri means ‘the sweet style of a song’. Mantra means, that which spontaneously attracts the mind to chant something again and again. Any sweet song on God that attracts the mind to sing it repeatedly and gets the protection of God is called Gayatri (“Gayantam…manantam”). Even a cinema song, slightly modified in the name of God can be a ‘ Gayatri mantra’. For e.g., replace the word ‘Sanam’ by ‘Hare’ in the cinema song “Churaliya hai tumne…”and sing it on Lord Vishnu. You are singing spontaneously without any force. This is a mantra. Gayatri means a meter but not a deity as said “Gayatri

chandah”. This takes you near the Lord, because He likes Sama Veda (songs) as said in the Gita “SamaVedosmi”. ‘Upanayanam’, the ritual in which Gayatri is given means taking you near the Lord. (Upa= Near, Nayanam= taking through a song). So, Gayatri is with women and other castes only who sing about God.

 

Indians are blessed with lot of spiritual knowledge and devotion. Both these are side dishes in a meal. The main item, which is bread or rice, is lost in India. The main item is ‘Karma Phala Tyaga’ (as said in Gita) which means sacrifice of money, which is the ‘Karma phala’ (fruit of the work). Indian scholars have interpreted the meaning of Karma phala as meditation or chanting songs. So, you meditate or chant some hymns and at the end say, “ I have sacrificed the fruit of this work to the Lord!”. The Lord blessed you with good intelligence because of your meditation and good pronunciation for your recitation. As the work, so the fruit. Such intellectual interpretation is only due to your greediness. Indians connect their heart to their children from which love flows. These connection tubes are large and very long. These bonds are very

strong and extend even to their great grand children. Hence, their heart is empty. They connect their intelligence to the Lord, which results in such tricks.

 

The straight test for love is sacrifice of the fruit of your work (money) only. In the west, family bonds are very weak and the love stored in them is diverted to the Lord. How much money they sacrifice for the work of the Lord! They fund even the Indian spiritual centers. Is it not a shame to Indians? The foreigners consider the Lord is same in all the religions and fund Indian centers also. They ask their children to earn and live after a certain age. But in India, people are worried of their heirs in the coming ten generations also, and go on storing the money. When you love your children, you get happiness, which is selfishness only, and this cannot protect your children. If you love God, God can protect your children and that is your real love on your children. Can your love give longevity to your children? Only God can give longevity.

Indians do not want to sacrifice even a rupee for the Lord. But they want to get the blessings of the Lord. They want to please the Lord by mind and words and get money from the Lord! For such purpose, they follow all the intellectual tricks to please the Lord. They eat the food and say that the food is offered to the Lord. For this, the Advaita philosophy is exploited which says that man is God. The aim of that philosophy is to say that a particular man, like Lord Krishna is God. The philosophy is extrapolated to every man.

 

Showing food to statues is another trick. Offering food and money to a deserving person is the actual Karma Phala Tyaga in this context. Statues are meant only to see the incarnation of Lord in His absence, just like a photo of your son who is elsewhere.

 

A Guru criticizes the student not with a negative view. His aim is rectification of the defect and gets the subsequent benefit to his student. This criticism of Indians is done by Lord Datta only to rectify their mistake, to make India rich, and to get India blessed with immense wealth and prosperity.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

SURYAsuryawww.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

 

 

for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. SURYAsuryawww.universal-spirituality.org

for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.