Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear All, Let me add a few points here Panchamakara tatwa has Mamsa bhakshana as one of its components. Now, the higher esoteric concept is to overcome the 'flesh sense' by 'eating' it and it in no way refers to the actual eating of meat as practiced by Vamaachaaris. However, Iam not against the practices of the Vamachaaris(as Amba has said that both Vama and Dakshina are Her two eyes) and if they know how to transfer the Atma(soul) of the animal without rendering any pain to the organism they can go ahead with the 'Bali' or the 'Bakshana'. Unfortunately, with the exception of a handful(who do not come out of the secretive conclaves) no one knows how to do this.And those who boast that they do it obviously are talking through their hats(rather their bellies!) Hence they all incur a bad karma obviously. Many just give the 'Bali' or have the 'Bakshana' just to satisfy their palate or some pervert desire inside to show their Machismo. If they really want to offer some flesh, I would suggest to them to offer their own if they have the guts or rather so much of love(they claim) for Amba! This has been done by a few practioners when they reached the zenith of their devotionality and not the height of an emotive- devotional frenzy(in which too some torture their bodies).The former is a natural outcome which occurs sometimes but the latter is just 'hypering' oneslf without any true feelings. There is always a subtle line which differentiates between the good and the bad. If one cognizes this line,one can transcend both and not get stuck to just Anuloma(right vision) but rather go beyond....Para-Anuloma! Paranulomically yours, Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , Gopi Krishna <p_gopi_krishna> wrote: > > Dear All, > > I fully to the opinion expressed by > " Liberation Crown " . Killing of any animal or bird for > any reason (whether to appeas the taste buds of a few > or as a sacrifice at the altar of a God/Goddess and > then for taste buds) is definitely abhorrable. When we > do not have the capacity to give life to a dead one, > we have no right either spiritually or morally or > otherwise to kill an animal or bird. One cannot > justify the act of killing by quoting either from any > spiritual texts or by adducing any number of reasons. > Wrong is wrong and it can never become right under any > circumstances and for any reasons. > > Love and regards. > > P. Gopi Krishna > > > Message: 1 > > Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:04:55 -0000 > > " Liberation Crown " > > <liberationcrown> > > Re: Kal Bairo..... > > > > Well, it's always better to offer anything to god > > before eating it, > > whether it's meat or fruit or whatever. But there's > > no way I can come > > to terms with things such as " halal " meat. The great > > saint Swami > > Sriyukteshwar, in his book " The holy science " > > ellucidates very > > clearly that the human body is biologically and > > physiologically > > suited only for vegetarian food. Meat is ideally > > meant to be consumed > > only when no other option is available (such as > > Eskimoes in Alaska). > > > > Secondly, even if an animal needs to be killed, it > > can be killed only > > if there's already an existing rnanubandhana between > > the animal and > > its killer. Even so, unless the killer does it in a > > very detached > > manner, with a sense of simply fulfilling his rnas, > > he acquires loads > > of new karma by undertaking such a killing. Also, > > animals have a very > > high level of consciousness compared to plants. > > Hence, the curse of > > an animal is far more powerful than the curse of a > > plant. > > Slaughterhouses are places filled with the > > vibrations of angry and > > fearful animals. These animals are helplessly > > watching their fellow- > > beings being taken away and hacked before their very > > eyes amidst all > > the screaming and howling. And the first thought > > that runs in their > > mind is " when will be my turn? " , or " will i be > > next? " > > > > Goats also have a high level of consciousness and > > their curses are > > not in vain. Today in some middle-eastern countries, > > the " most > > popular entertainment " is watching a public > > execution at a stadium. > > People gather at the arena from all over the city > > just to witness two > > parties, the victim and the miscreant. A mullah then > > comes up on > > stage and recites the Koran on what the allowed > > punishmnet is. Then > > the victim's party takes a hacksaw or any sharp > > instrument and cuts > > off the head of the other person in front of > > thousands of people. And > > all the people then cheer enthusiastically " Allah ho > > akbar " , or > > whatever the slogan is. > > > > One cannot help thinking about a causal relationship > > between the > > perverted thinking of all these people and the > > perverted way in which > > the goats are killed. > > > > I personally think most people are already aware > > deep inside of them > > of the brutalities of animal slaughter. It would be > > very instructive > > to watch out for the little kids. I was personally > > present at a > > thanksgiving party where they cut the turkey and > > start eating it. I > > was offered the turkey, which I declined, and I ate > > the vegetarian > > items instead. There was a little kid who saw me > > declining it and > > asked me why. I just replied that I eat only fruits > > and vegetables. > > And when the kid was finally offered the turkey, she > > too declined it > > saying " I don't want to eat this dead bird!! " That > > was enough to > > cause everyone else to feel uneasy, and they too > > felt disinclined to > > eat the turkey after hearing these words. > > > > So I really think it's obvious as to what nature > > intended for humans. > > I rest my case here. > > > > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , > > bill kumar > > <billupa1> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, Kal Bhairav is a form of Lord Shiva. As > > regards animal > > sacrifice, I find it strange that people abhor > > sacrificing animals > > for pleasing a deity and yet don't seem to associate > > > > such 'sacrifices' being done in millions every day > > just to please the > > taste buds, greed and violence of humans! I mean how > > can one condemn > > ritual animal sacrifice and at the same enjoy eating > > animal flesh, > > encouraging the senseless killing of mute animals. > > Go veg with God > > and yourself and be happy! If you can not help but > > eat flesh, is it > > not better to eat meat first offered to God? I > > believe that is what > > Muslims do. Before putting the knife to the animals > > throat thrice, > > they utter the Kalma, and then let the blood flow > > out of the throat > > as the animal dies a painful death.They call it > > 'halal' meat and do > > not eat meat of an animal not sacrificed in such a > > ritualistic manner > > by a Muslim. So, every single animal killed by a > > Muslim for human > > consumption is, in effect, a sacrifice to Allah. > > > > > > jasyindar <jasyindar> wrote: > > > Hey there, > > > just wana thank you for your detail info. but i > > was told by some > > > learned scholars that KAL BAIRO is a form of Lord > > Shiva. N he is > > also > > > known as kala bhairavan which has a dog as his > > companion. plz > > > clarify. your advice or knowledge is very much > > needed and > > appreciated. > > > thanjk you n GOD bless > > > > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , > > " Liberation Crown " > > > <liberationcrown> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all: > > > > > > > > I know this is out-of-scope of this group, but i > > still decided to > > > > make this posting, as i want more ppl to be > > aware of the truth > > and > > > > not fall for any evil temptations. Yesterday i > > was personally > > > witness > > > > to a most gruesome ritual in a so-called " Kali > > Mandir " where > > > Mahakali > > > > Devi is supposedly invoked and grants boons to > > devotees. Nothing > > > > could be farther from the truth. > > > > > > > > First of all, Mahakali is a very compassionate > > deity > === message truncated === > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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