Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Dear Moorthyji, You are not satisfied with my answer because as I said it is still your mind which is at play. Mind can never be satisfied. Please read my reply again and you will understand. Talking about soul and hearing or worse, reading about it will not give a soul-experience. The very inspiration which you have got to seek the 'soul' must be from your soul itself. To say that " we all say.... " is over-generalisation. Many have experienced the 'soul' and realised it. When we say self-relaised individual it refers to this soul experience. You again quote texts, atlases and scriptures but this again is a clinging of the mind. The more you cling to the mind the more you will cling to its tools and crutches. The more you cling to the heart the more soul will reveal itself. To have a true soul experience, a major way is meditation. No use talking and talking or reading and reading or for that matter thinking and thinking about soul. These are all mind activities. Only during meditation can you break free of this matrix and get answers for yourself. Infact no one can answer your question satisfactorily because it is something which you have to experience through the medium of meditation. Discipline is required initially but then after sometime meditation happens automatically. Also you say that when we go and see the world we can say that it exists and thats experience. If that be for the physical world then it is the same for the spiritual world too. Mnay people think that the spiritual world means reading highly elevating and lofty spiritual ideas and vedantic pearls, when actually spirituality means involving the spirit and " doing " too. In a state of " doing-non-doing " you can realize the soul. As I said before, no one can answer this question " satisfactorily " as your mind is involved and will again ask another question from this reply too. For every question there are hundered more questions which can be asked. If I give " scieitific " examples of soul-experiences like photographs of the soul moving out or some past birth experiences of some people (which imply soul is there ) then you might again raise another question like: " how do you know that is soul? " There is no end to all this and thus, I rest my speeding fingers. If you do find the answer to your question do let me know. Well, if you really get the answer...you will not even bother to communicate to anyone and be in that blissful experience. I can just give small clue to another wayfarer: Soul never asks never seeks Mind asks and seeks! Yours yogically, Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " M L Moorthy " <moorthyvlr wrote: > > Dear sir, > I am not satisfied with ur answer. We talk about soul we hear > about soul but we really dont know about it. We all say we have a soul but > have not experienced it. > > From various texts we get knowledge but it is not enough. For > example when we look at an atlas we can go all over the world saying this > where this located and that is knowledge. But when we really go all over the > world we go a step beyond the atlas to say what really that exists.Thats > experience. > > Our scriptures says this is this. But how to go on to tell this is > really this. Hope I have communiated the question of the quest to u clearly. > > Regards, > Moorthy > > > > " para_anuloma " <para_anuloma > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru > >[Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru] Re: More than knowledge > >Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:02:03 -0000 > > > >Dear Moorthyji, > > > >I was busy the last few days with my exmas and will be so till > >may10th but I found sometime for this query. > > > >You said " From knowledge it is clear that we are beyond body " > > > >Well, this is not the correct approach. It should not come from > >knowledge but from yout inner atma. You inner atmic experience > >should vouchsafe such a thing. Knowledge is a by-product. If there > >is a vikasiatwa of your atma then knowledge is a by-product, you can > >create your own veda, your own knowledge. > > > >Basing your conclusions from other people's experience is an inept > >way to approcah God or self. > > > > > >We are both our body and beyond and not just beyond our body. Body > >is the tmeple of God. Here God refers to the torch of atma in you. > > > >Ekam Sat vipraha bahuda vadanthi --THE TRUTH IS ONE BUT WISE MEN > >SPEAK DIFFERENTLY. > > > >This is because " wise men " have different approcahes to God and > >hence they talk of their routes. > >----- > > > >Your second sentence " How to experience this? " > > > >Well, your question itself contains the answer. The keyword > >is " experience " God is basically your experience and hence you must > >seek proactively ways to first satisfy the hunger of your mind. > > > >Mind is the axe which seperates/ sunders the heart from the soul- the > >atma. Atma does not need a confirmation a knowledge base. These are > >mere crutches. > > > >First 'satisfy' the mind. > > > >Now, the funny part is mind cannot be satisfied completely. If one > >answres one question, then another question props up from the first > >answer and so on. > > > >This is the illusory effect of mind. Mana maya is very strong and > >hence when I use the word " satisfy " . I use it etymologically. Satify > >comes from the word " satiate " . Satiate means fill. So fill your mind > >till it gets exhausted and then cries out for real knowledge for the > >real experience for the real satori. > > > >Then seek out ways after this satiation process is fulfilled.This > >breaks the axe it can no more cut your heart and soul. It does not > >raise questions anymore and there are more answers. There will form > >a link whereby there is a blossoming in your heart. > > > >May this eternal cherryflower blossom. > > > >----------------------------- > > > >How to experience the true identity? How can a layman experience it? > > > >Firstly let me tell you that in spirituality there is no layman and > >a highman! All are equal before the eyes of God. Oneday Moksha or > >salvation is definite for all. There need not be a mad rush for > >that. It is foolish. You waste a lifetime rushing behind a utopian > >thing. > > > >Now, there are yogis,siddhas,munis and rishis who are definitely > >higher than us. But it is all aquestion of time. > > > >Just meditate upon what truths they might have hit. Dont resot to > >mere book reading. This is another prop. It will make you very > >eloquent no doubt and also highly intellectual but you are nowhere > >near god but just the masses. > > > >Meditate deep inside using any tool. > > > >Now meditation does not mean just closing your eyes and sitting in > >the lotus posture. > > > >Anything which yokes your heart and soul. > > > >Yoga--Yoking > > > >will bring about this state. > > > >It might be even in a heartfelt bhajan. Meitation is to happen not > >to be forced. Now sometimes I see that meditation happens in the > >breaks in between two meditative sessions when I just function as if > >Iam 'being functioned'. This then was what I have been trying for. > > > >Meditation thus has to happen. > > > >But the paradox is that this has to be wrought in tto. First the > >effort then the stage when one goes into 'effortless effort' > > > >When this happens...then you get what you desired in the > >beginning...the beyondness ...the " other " ...the " higher " beyond your > >body. > > > >Om and beyond, > > > >Shreeram Balijepalli > > > > > > > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " MLM " > ><moorthyvlr@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear fellow members, > > > From knowlege it is clear that we are beyond > > > body. How to experience this? How to experience our true identity? > >How > > > can a layman exeperience it? If anyone can tell ways to experience > > > this. Do mail them. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Moorthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > All that you wanted to know about Ms Beautiful Lips > http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/katrina.asp > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya. Perhaps your example of the atlas should give you the clue. You look at the atlas, you BELIEVE what the atlas says, and gain geographical knowledge of the various countries and then YOU FLY to those countries and experience them. Well, extend the analogy this way: 1. look at the scripture as an ATLAS. 2. BELIEVE in them (ok, this has to come from within). This is very important. 3. Find how to FLY into that state (this would be contacting a Guru and learning to do sadhana etc or just doing what the Bhagavad Gita says - which is also a very practical manual on meditation, by the way). 4. If your flight went well, then EXPERIENCE! It seems to me have you problems with BELEIVING the scriptures. Unless you believe in them, you will remain in your mind, arguing till eternity about the truth of the scriptures. Just as you believed the atlas without knowing and hence took the flight, you need to be able to believe the scriptures without knowing. only then will you even be willing to take step 3. Find out what makes you believe in the atlas and the practicality of flying in a plane to reach your destination. Find out why you can't extend the same belief to the scriptures, mabe you will get insight into the " gap " you are feeling there. Hope this explains! Jai Ma! Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " M L Moorthy " <moorthyvlr wrote: > > Dear sir, > I am not satisfied with ur answer. We talk about soul we hear > about soul but we really dont know about it. We all say we have a soul but > have not experienced it. > > From various texts we get knowledge but it is not enough. For > example when we look at an atlas we can go all over the world saying this > where this located and that is knowledge. But when we really go all over the > world we go a step beyond the atlas to say what really that exists.Thats > experience. > > Our scriptures says this is this. But how to go on to tell this is > really this. Hope I have communiated the question of the quest to u clearly. > > Regards, > Moorthy > > > > " para_anuloma " <para_anuloma > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru > >[Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru] Re: More than knowledge > >Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:02:03 -0000 > > > >Dear Moorthyji, > > > >I was busy the last few days with my exmas and will be so till > >may10th but I found sometime for this query. > > > >You said " From knowledge it is clear that we are beyond body " > > > >Well, this is not the correct approach. It should not come from > >knowledge but from yout inner atma. You inner atmic experience > >should vouchsafe such a thing. Knowledge is a by-product. If there > >is a vikasiatwa of your atma then knowledge is a by-product, you can > >create your own veda, your own knowledge. > > > >Basing your conclusions from other people's experience is an inept > >way to approcah God or self. > > > > > >We are both our body and beyond and not just beyond our body. Body > >is the tmeple of God. Here God refers to the torch of atma in you. > > > >Ekam Sat vipraha bahuda vadanthi --THE TRUTH IS ONE BUT WISE MEN > >SPEAK DIFFERENTLY. > > > >This is because " wise men " have different approcahes to God and > >hence they talk of their routes. > >----- > > > >Your second sentence " How to experience this? " > > > >Well, your question itself contains the answer. The keyword > >is " experience " God is basically your experience and hence you must > >seek proactively ways to first satisfy the hunger of your mind. > > > >Mind is the axe which seperates/ sunders the heart from the soul-the > >atma. Atma does not need a confirmation a knowledge base. These are > >mere crutches. > > > >First 'satisfy' the mind. > > > >Now, the funny part is mind cannot be satisfied completely. If one > >answres one question, then another question props up from the first > >answer and so on. > > > >This is the illusory effect of mind. Mana maya is very strong and > >hence when I use the word " satisfy " . I use it etymologically. Satify > >comes from the word " satiate " . Satiate means fill. So fill your mind > >till it gets exhausted and then cries out for real knowledge for the > >real experience for the real satori. > > > >Then seek out ways after this satiation process is fulfilled.This > >breaks the axe it can no more cut your heart and soul. It does not > >raise questions anymore and there are more answers. There will form > >a link whereby there is a blossoming in your heart. > > > >May this eternal cherryflower blossom. > > > >----------------------------- > > > >How to experience the true identity? How can a layman experience it? > > > >Firstly let me tell you that in spirituality there is no layman and > >a highman! All are equal before the eyes of God. Oneday Moksha or > >salvation is definite for all. There need not be a mad rush for > >that. It is foolish. You waste a lifetime rushing behind a utopian > >thing. > > > >Now, there are yogis,siddhas,munis and rishis who are definitely > >higher than us. But it is all aquestion of time. > > > >Just meditate upon what truths they might have hit. Dont resot to > >mere book reading. This is another prop. It will make you very > >eloquent no doubt and also highly intellectual but you are nowhere > >near god but just the masses. > > > >Meditate deep inside using any tool. > > > >Now meditation does not mean just closing your eyes and sitting in > >the lotus posture. > > > >Anything which yokes your heart and soul. > > > >Yoga--Yoking > > > >will bring about this state. > > > >It might be even in a heartfelt bhajan. Meitation is to happen not > >to be forced. Now sometimes I see that meditation happens in the > >breaks in between two meditative sessions when I just function as if > >Iam 'being functioned'. This then was what I have been trying for. > > > >Meditation thus has to happen. > > > >But the paradox is that this has to be wrought in tto. First the > >effort then the stage when one goes into 'effortless effort' > > > >When this happens...then you get what you desired in the > >beginning...the beyondness ...the " other " ...the " higher " beyond your > >body. > > > >Om and beyond, > > > >Shreeram Balijepalli > > > > > > > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " MLM " > ><moorthyvlr@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear fellow members, > > > From knowlege it is clear that we are beyond > > > body. How to experience this? How to experience our true identity? > >How > > > can a layman exeperience it? If anyone can tell ways to experience > > > this. Do mail them. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Moorthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > All that you wanted to know about Ms Beautiful Lips > http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/katrina.asp > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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