Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru group: Why at all this existence in the first place? If it is God's play or leela? Then why the play or leela? Does God exist to 'play'? Isn't " play " a concept of living beings like us? Why this play? why this karma and suffering the effects of cause and effect? why the gods and goddesses? why in the first place the atma? To cut a long question short, please answer the " fundamental " question-WHY? -Question and answer choices set by Group owner-Shreeram Balijepalli o This is a stupid question and it does not make any sense! o Intelligent question but unanswerable! o This is not an easy question to answer and requires meditation and sadhana as it is an experiential question o These are one of the seven fundamental questions which cannot be answered by words o I do not know-PERIOD. o I know but I cannot express it. o I dont care about such questions- I just pray Amba and my Guru. o My Guru has an answer to this question not me. So please let me out of such stupid questions. o Give me a break! -you dont expect me a novice to answer such complicated questions! o Iam confused totally To vote, please visit the following web page: Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru/surveys?id=2226066 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the web site listed above. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Moorthyji, Firstly my name is not Shreeram Balaji. It is Shreeram Balijepalli Secondly, your answer is a mere tautology.And you have already assumed there is a " play " going on based on books and scriptures. Then please answer why the " play " ? That is why I framed the question in a longwinding fashion. Secondly you said asking questions is easy. But you forget that the answers were also set by me. That is why I clearly gave in the end both the questions and the answers(though not covering an entire gamut) were framed by me. Questioning intelligently without doing so for the sake of arguing or for the sake of questioning or to prove that one is intelligent is not called for in matters relating to spirit. This was a question which I had from my second standard when my sister used to narrate me stories from Puranas. She was the second person to be flummoxed by these set of questions(the first person being myself)! Later with a growing realization and meditation I have come to understand certain aspects of the answer to this fundamental question. It iften used to come as flashes while driving a vehicle or eating in a restaurant with an accompanying light in the cerebellum region. The answers are unexplaninable and used to come as synesthetic experiences to me. That is why I had set one answer as it comes by meditation and sadhana. Ofcourse, you rightly mentioned in the end... " the answer lies in you " If I remember right you wer the person who asked the question " whether there exists Atma and if so how is it seperate from body? " (or something similar)---When I said the answer " lies in you " and that you have to meditate and seek it within...you said you were not satisfied with my reply. Now this question has made you come out with the very same answer. Isn't this a " play " of Parabrahmam? Hehe Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " M L Moorthy " <moorthyvlr wrote: > > Dear Shreeram Balaji, > Ur question is " Why at all this existence in > the first place? If it is God's play or leela? Then why the play or leela? > Does God exist to 'play'? Isn't " play " a concept of living beings like us? > Why this play? why this karma and suffering the effects of cause and effect? > why the gods and goddesses? why in the first place the atma? To cut a long > question short, please answer the " fundamental " question-WHY? " > > Answer we are all ignorant to understand a play > as suffering. Ego when removed from thinking we are not this body and > realise what we are really then we recogonise our self. Any play has a > rule(Law of Karma) and as a player(typical life) we have to follow it but as > a observer(one who has realized himself) we can override them. > > To get to light(TrueKnowlege) faith in guru who > knows himself or faith in the Deity we love is required. To put a question > why is easy but even if a answer is told we would not understand them as one > must realise it experience it. I jus made an attempt to put the pieces of > the puzzle ie ur question together but the real answer lies in yourself. > > Regards, > Moorthy > > > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru Subject: > >[Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru] New poll for Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru > >10 May 2006 16:58:12 -0000 > > > > > >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru group: > > > >Why at all this existence in the first place? > >If it is God's play or leela? Then why the play or leela? > >Does God exist to 'play'? Isn't " play " a concept of living > >beings like us? Why this play? why this karma and suffering > >the effects of cause and effect? why the gods and goddesses? > >why in the first place the atma? To cut a long question short, > >please answer the " fundamental " question-WHY? > > > >-Question and answer choices set by Group owner-Shreeram Balijepalli > > > > > > > > o This is a stupid question and it does not make any sense! > > o Intelligent question but unanswerable! > > o This is not an easy question to answer and requires meditation and > >sadhana as it is an experiential question > > o These are one of the seven fundamental questions which cannot be > >answered by words > > o I do not know-PERIOD. > > o I know but I cannot express it. > > o I dont care about such questions- I just pray Amba and my Guru. > > o My Guru has an answer to this question not me. So please let me out of > >such stupid questions. > > o Give me a break! -you dont expect me a novice to answer such > >complicated questions! > > o Iam confused totally > > > > > >To vote, please visit the following web page: > >Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru/surveys? id=2226066 > > > >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the > >web site listed above. > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search > http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Dear Moorthyji, A matter of discussion can never be an annoying factor to me especially when it has no direct or indirect personal attacks. Firstly, Iam not contesting anything said in Puranas. I just mentioned my experience and questioning pattern from childhood. One can grow spiritually with questions. Infact the very fact that you are in it is because of a deep question. The meaning of Trikutas of Panchadasi is " Three heaps of questions " . Please think why the appellation to the greatest mantra in Srividya (Mahashodasi and other mantras emnated as a variation to this fundamental panchadasi trikootika). has been named thus? Axioms amd assumptions are matters of logicality. It is within the parameters of Logic. Spirituality is different. It does not go by absolute truths. Everything is relative and at one stage truth itself is usurped.That is the culminatory point. You said in Geetha doubter dont prosper. But the very Geetha is because of a doubt by Arjuna. Moreover many misunderstand the Geetha as an universal text. It was meant for a particular person by His Guru. Ofcourse we can read it and benefit from it. The " doubter " there is different and the " doubt " there is in a different reference frame. Have you not doubted the texts and asked me a question regarding the atma eventhough you present " satellite images of the bridge between Lanka and India " ? Isn't this approach self- contradictory? That is why I say, when it comes oneself one is always right but when others ask the same thing in a different way then it becomes a blasphemy, an outrage. Each man unto Himself and each mind unto itself. The very substance of faith was what I was aiming at, though in a locutory way. Faith is the thing which moves these doubts and I put in the question to incite people into sadhana not to engage in fruitless discussions.If I have erred please accept my thousand apologies. You said my question is basic. But answers are not sufficient. I cannot put in a hundred answers just to satisfy people. I put in what came into my mind at that Holy instant. Moreover, " too many cooks spoil the broth " ...and hence the need for simplicity. I have never claimed an exhaustive list. There never can be for such fundamental questions. Again here experience will only give the answer unique to an individual for such questions. That was my point if at all I had any Then you talk of believing in paths and so on and so forth. Well, the question or the moot point is not paths or faiths or beliefs but a simple question. I believe in my path else I would not have opened this group in the first place. A mere question should never tip a person into emotionality. I seem to be very emotional but I also possess a strong basis for logic. Quoting the very same bhagavd geetha which you have quoted. " A spiritual man progresses only by discrenment and satvic questioning " What do you have to say for these pearly words of wisdom from the Lord Kannabhiran's mouth? You said experiencing divinity and learning about divinity is different. True in a small sense but not true in a big sense. I said in one of my earlier postings that " Intellectual men fall for words and grosser men fall for looks " Both are a cloud in your perception. You equate learning to learning from books and asking questions. Both the activities can be made spiritual. One can learn a lot from books and from asking questions deep inside. Ramana Maharshi used to guide His disciples by making them ask another fundamental question--- " who am i? " . What will be your opinion on this, pray tell me? Will you then go and say to Ramana Maharishi that this question is not correct and to ask such questions is creating an experience in learning about divinity and not experiencing it? Many people under Him have gained immensely, though many made even this question a sort of mantra(foolishly), more than any spiritual text! Please remember that questioning perse is not wrong but the intention behind questioning is to be seen. Having already a pre-set notion and asking questions is wrong. It is said that " For a man who believes in God no explanation is needed and for a man who does not believe in God an explanation is not possible " I do not belong to the later category but still asking questions is my spiritual birth right and it makes me more empowered spiritually. This is my stand and as you say " each man has his own path " Maybe my path is wrong and Iam less evolved than you but sooner or later we both will meet somewhere some birth. Then we will know. I know such arguments and discussions do leave a distaste like after- bitterness of aspartame against me but still, I prefer an amalgam of truth, reasoning and faith. Please, no hard feelings here! All in the spirit of discussion. Shaakambhari Namosthuthe' Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " M L Moorthy " <moorthyvlr wrote: > > Dear Shreeram Balijepalliji, > > Sorry to misspell ur name. You must have read histroy. Can you > believe everything that the texts say or is there proof enough to tell thats > how the things were then? We believe what we want to or in other words what > we feel from our hearts,it may be true or it could be false ,only way to > know is to live in that era, which ofcourse not possible. So is the puranas > we cant believe them,but they can be true, for example the proof of Ramayana > lies in the satellite picture of the bridge photo between india and > srilanka. > > Basis of any theory is assumption otherwise an axiom( a truth which > cant be proved) or otherwise it is the faith in the assumption. Great men > like Swami Vivekanadha told " We become what we believe or think " . When we > question that belief or even disprove that belief we wont be able to see the > full picture of it. In Gita it is said doubter dont prosper(he will not > realise anything). One should have faith in it to know the full picture > which we explain all the doubts which we have. > > Sir ur question is basic but answer are not complete it only projects a > puzzle. Everybody in this world is unique, a way successful for one person > may not be te right path for another. So for each person the way is > customised and is different but could be similar but not the same. > > Believe in ur path. If we step one step towards Divinity, the Divinity > steps 10 steps towards you.As for my question it was about practical > implementation of the knowlege and to experience the divinity. Experinecing > divinity and to learn about divinity is different. > > Hope I have not anoyed u in any way. > Regards, > Moorthy > > _______________ > Who will win Bollywood's most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! 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