Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hi Shreeramji, I could not avoid responding to the below clarifications..even I had similar doubts mentioned below.. 1. As we are brought up in a mindset of doing certain things like one should not chant mantra as we are shoes made of leather or after using toilet and so on..though what you have said below is right but how does break such a mindset...by meditation..or by..different line thought process. 2. More-ever everything (almost) happens via body. Mind somehow refuses to accept certain truths...how does one overcome these kind of thoughts.. Regards, Raghu Venkata. Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " para_anuloma " <para_anuloma wrote: > > > Dear S ji, > > > > I too am a Telugu Brahmin who used to reside in Chennai, now in > Newyork,USA > > > > Iam glad to know you are my Gurubhratha. > > > > -------------------------- > > > > The words of one's Guru is Vedavaakku...Even if Shankaracharya of Kanchi > says something one should just listen to it patiently and appreciate the > beauty but alwways follow one's preceptor's advices... > > > > Anyways I will answer your query presently...... > > > > > > Your query No.1. I am doing my Japa without any Nyasa. Do I need to > atleast do > some Basic Nyasas. > > > > There is no harm in doing Kara and Anga Nyaasas. For other nyaasas one > should get initiation and hence Swamy said " no need for that " . He > prefers simplicity. > > > Your query No.2. I sometimes feel like doing internal Japa at office. > Can I do > Japa at that time ?. Coz at office we wear shoes and visit toilets > and ofcourse you can imagine that not much of cleanliness is there. > > > > I do panchadasi while even going for toilet.But I make it a point to do > it first sitting before my pujaroom and doing meditation. > > > > Japa is something internal and something which is pure. If toilets and > shoes which are externalities affect you then there is no point in doing > ajapa-japa which is purely internal. Toilets and shoes cannot enter your > heart or mind if you have control. > > > > Continue for Amba is in everything....pure and dirty things....she is > omnipresent...and omniscient.... > > > > > Your query No.3. Sometimes I feel like doing Japa before going to bed. > Can I do > Japa at that time ?. > > > > Who prevents you from that?..Infact there is no better way for a > youngman to go to sleep than chanting the mantra of Amba than the name > of a Film actress(unless ofcourse it is Amba's name!! Haha1) > > > > Yours yogically... > > > > Shreeram Balijepalli > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Dear Raghu Venkataji, I was playing the role of a devil's advocate there. However, I should emphasise the role of cleanliness of body too while worshipping.Many youngsters these days see Yogis smoking opium and dirty in their clothing and behavior and think that is real spirituality. Well, in a way, some of these yogis are very authentic and they have mastered the elements and thus can remain internally like a fresh bloomed lotus while with an external facade of filth. But for most of us, our mind gets tricked and disturbed by the external dirt and thus the need to be clean. When a boy or a girl meets his/her lover they take care of their bodies so much, they apply creams and unguents, scents and powders, to their hitherto careless demeanour and they present themselves at their best behavior before their beloved(how they will be after marriage is an entirely different topic!)...when a human is given so much of importance, why not Divine Mother who loves you so much and who hears every thought you get going in your mind? Just yesterday, I replied to a woman member regarding menses and what is the scientific and spiritual reasons why one should stay away from puja rituals but can go ahead with japa... ---------------- Ajapa-japa is a different thing..it is a training for the mind to have a substratum of the divinity deeply embedded ito the subconsious mind. This has no restrictions and can be done anywhere... and thus the reply to the member's query... --------------------- Now to answer your question... People ask of " breaking a mind set " ...this is impossible. First,You cannot break a mind set , you can only create a new mindset which replaces the old one and keep focussing on the new one so that the old one dies off and withers on its own accord. Second,you need to have an acceptance framework built into your mind. Always think for anything you encounter...Is there a possibility for something different? what-if?(what -if analysis)....This possibility thinking does make life easier and a joy to live in creatively. ------------- Everything happens via body hmmmm...well, everything happens via body-mind collaboration, I would say. A body-mind matrix is what controls people at a basic level. When a transendence happens then just the pure mind happens, then that too is decimated and then consciousness emerges and so on and so forth till you unionize with the Paramamvyoman. So no harm starting at the very basic. One need not curse or feel bad about it every saint from tukaram and eknath to jesus or even lordkrishna have been humans like us in some janma in some aeon(kalpa) and they have ascended to this stage by working out their karmas through many such stages.. Moksha is for everyone...it is just a matter of time... Is it weeks or months or millions of years? Jaya Nistaarini Amba! Shreeram Balijepalli Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " raghuvenkataj " <raghuvenkataj wrote: > > Hi Shreeramji, > > I could not avoid responding to the below clarifications..even I had > similar doubts mentioned below.. > > 1. As we are brought up in a mindset of doing certain things like > one should not chant mantra as we are shoes made of leather or after > using toilet and so on..though what you have said below is right but > how does break such a mindset...by meditation..or by..different line > thought process. > > 2. More-ever everything (almost) happens via body. Mind somehow > refuses to accept certain truths...how does one overcome these kind > of thoughts.. > > > Regards, > Raghu Venkata. > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " para_anuloma " > <para_anuloma@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear S ji, > > > > > > > > I too am a Telugu Brahmin who used to reside in Chennai, now in > > Newyork,USA > > > > > > > > Iam glad to know you are my Gurubhratha. > > > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > The words of one's Guru is Vedavaakku...Even if Shankaracharya of > Kanchi > > says something one should just listen to it patiently and > appreciate the > > beauty but alwways follow one's preceptor's advices... > > > > > > > > Anyways I will answer your query presently...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your query No.1. I am doing my Japa without any Nyasa. Do I need to > > atleast do > > some Basic Nyasas. > > > > > > > > There is no harm in doing Kara and Anga Nyaasas. For other nyaasas > one > > should get initiation and hence Swamy said " no need for that " . He > > prefers simplicity. > > > > > > Your query No.2. I sometimes feel like doing internal Japa at > office. > > Can I do > > Japa at that time ?. Coz at office we wear shoes and visit toilets > > and ofcourse you can imagine that not much of cleanliness is there. > > > > > > > > I do panchadasi while even going for toilet.But I make it a point > to do > > it first sitting before my pujaroom and doing meditation. > > > > > > > > Japa is something internal and something which is pure. If toilets > and > > shoes which are externalities affect you then there is no point in > doing > > ajapa-japa which is purely internal. Toilets and shoes cannot > enter your > > heart or mind if you have control. > > > > > > > > Continue for Amba is in everything....pure and dirty things....she > is > > omnipresent...and omniscient.... > > > > > > > > > > Your query No.3. Sometimes I feel like doing Japa before going to > bed. > > Can I do > > Japa at that time ?. > > > > > > > > Who prevents you from that?..Infact there is no better way for a > > youngman to go to sleep than chanting the mantra of Amba than the > name > > of a Film actress(unless ofcourse it is Amba's name!! Haha1) > > > > > > > > Yours yogically... > > > > > > > > Shreeram Balijepalli > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hi Shreeramji, Thanks for the fast response. I may be wrong here, please correct me.. Body-Mind matrix A mind is present only in a body and body to function should have mind at a physical body takes over the hirearchy and ofcourse spirit is different thing. I will to have think over the creating of a new mind-set..only if the old mindset allows me to have the new mind-set created... :-) How does the Body-Mind-Soul matrix work then.. Moksha for everyone..I remember to have heard this in a discourse and been contemplating, but I am really apphrensive about its concept. Regards, Raghu Venkata. Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " para_anuloma " <para_anuloma wrote: > > Dear Raghu Venkataji, > > I was playing the role of a devil's advocate there. > > However, I should emphasise the role of cleanliness of body too while > worshipping.Many youngsters these days see Yogis smoking opium and > dirty in their clothing and behavior and think that is real > spirituality. > > Well, in a way, some of these yogis are very authentic and they have > mastered the elements and thus can remain internally like a fresh > bloomed lotus while with an external facade of filth. > > But for most of us, our mind gets tricked and disturbed by the > external dirt and thus the need to be clean. > > When a boy or a girl meets his/her lover they take care of their > bodies so much, they apply creams and unguents, scents and powders, > to their hitherto careless demeanour and they present themselves at > their best behavior before their beloved(how they will be after > marriage is an entirely different topic!)...when a human is given so > much of importance, why not Divine Mother who loves you so much and > who hears every thought you get going in your mind? > > Just yesterday, I replied to a woman member regarding menses and what > is the scientific and spiritual reasons why one should stay away from > puja rituals but can go ahead with japa... > > ---------------- > > Ajapa-japa is a different thing..it is a training for the mind to > have a substratum of the divinity deeply embedded ito the subconsious > mind. > > This has no restrictions and can be done anywhere... > > and thus the reply to the member's query... > > --------------------- > Now to answer your question... > > People ask of " breaking a mind set " ...this is impossible. > > First,You cannot break a mind set , you can only create a new mindset > which replaces the old one and keep focussing on the new one so that > the old one dies off and withers on its own accord. > > Second,you need to have an acceptance framework built into your mind. > Always think for anything you encounter...Is there a possibility for > something different? what-if?(what -if analysis)....This possibility > thinking does make life easier and a joy to live in creatively. > > ------------- > > Everything happens via body > > hmmmm...well, everything happens via body-mind collaboration, I would > say. A body-mind matrix is what controls people at a basic level. > When a transendence happens then just the pure mind happens, then > that too is decimated and then consciousness emerges and so on and so > forth till you unionize with the Paramamvyoman. > > So no harm starting at the very basic. > > One need not curse or feel bad about it every saint from tukaram and > eknath to jesus or even lordkrishna have been humans like us in some > janma in some aeon(kalpa) and they have ascended to this stage by > working out their karmas through many such stages.. > > Moksha is for everyone...it is just a matter of time... > > Is it weeks or months or millions of years? > > Jaya Nistaarini Amba! > > Shreeram Balijepalli > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " raghuvenkataj " > <raghuvenkataj@> wrote: > > > > Hi Shreeramji, > > > > I could not avoid responding to the below clarifications..even I > had > > similar doubts mentioned below.. > > > > 1. As we are brought up in a mindset of doing certain things like > > one should not chant mantra as we are shoes made of leather or > after > > using toilet and so on..though what you have said below is right > but > > how does break such a mindset...by meditation..or by..different > line > > thought process. > > > > 2. More-ever everything (almost) happens via body. Mind somehow > > refuses to accept certain truths...how does one overcome these kind > > of thoughts.. > > > > > > Regards, > > Raghu Venkata. > > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " para_anuloma " > > <para_anuloma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear S ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I too am a Telugu Brahmin who used to reside in Chennai, now in > > > Newyork,USA > > > > > > > > > > > > Iam glad to know you are my Gurubhratha. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > The words of one's Guru is Vedavaakku...Even if Shankaracharya of > > Kanchi > > > says something one should just listen to it patiently and > > appreciate the > > > beauty but alwways follow one's preceptor's advices... > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways I will answer your query presently...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your query No.1. I am doing my Japa without any Nyasa. Do I need > to > > > atleast do > > > some Basic Nyasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no harm in doing Kara and Anga Nyaasas. For other > nyaasas > > one > > > should get initiation and hence Swamy said " no need for that " . He > > > prefers simplicity. > > > > > > > > > Your query No.2. I sometimes feel like doing internal Japa at > > office. > > > Can I do > > > Japa at that time ?. Coz at office we wear shoes and visit toilets > > > and ofcourse you can imagine that not much of cleanliness is > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do panchadasi while even going for toilet.But I make it a point > > to do > > > it first sitting before my pujaroom and doing meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Japa is something internal and something which is pure. If > toilets > > and > > > shoes which are externalities affect you then there is no point > in > > doing > > > ajapa-japa which is purely internal. Toilets and shoes cannot > > enter your > > > heart or mind if you have control. > > > > > > > > > > > > Continue for Amba is in everything....pure and dirty > things....she > > is > > > omnipresent...and omniscient.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your query No.3. Sometimes I feel like doing Japa before going to > > bed. > > > Can I do > > > Japa at that time ?. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who prevents you from that?..Infact there is no better way for a > > > youngman to go to sleep than chanting the mantra of Amba than the > > name > > > of a Film actress(unless ofcourse it is Amba's name!! Haha1) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours yogically... > > > > > > > > > > > > Shreeram Balijepalli > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 See my replies below... Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , "raghuvenkataj" <raghuvenkataj wrote:>> Hi Shreeramji,> > Thanks for the fast response. I may be wrong here, please correct > me..> > Body-Mind matrix> > A mind is present only in a body and body to function should have > mind at a physical body takes over the hirearchy and ofcourse spirit > is different thing. Reply: Mind being present only in a physical body is just a scietific view. Thats all science can reach...then why do we do shraddha or pithru rites? Mind exists beyond body can exist in such a manner.You can leave ur body with ur mind and again return back using parakayapravesha or astral travel.For a normal kaliyuga human, mind and body are tied down heavily..thats all and thus it gives and illusion that mind is present only in a bady. Body to function does need mind but of a different kind-unconsious mind substratum which is heavily connected to subconsious mind and which inturn is connected to the conscious mind. There is also a karmic mind sub-sub stratum which impinges on all levels and these make up the thought kernels which determine your habits and destiny. What you clal spirit I presume is Athma, well that is the core but is layered by the above minds and koshas. You dont need a consious mind to control the bodily functions like heartbeat, kidney functio,etc...and nowadays many people who are dead(brain or otherwise) can still be made to "run" their bodies artifically with medical equipments...then wherefrom your supposition that mind controls body comes into play?> > I will to have think over the creating of a new mind-set..only if > the old mindset allows me to have the new mind-set created... :-) Reply: This is an intellectualizing trap What you say is well neigh impossible. The old mindset will never allow a new mindset. Its like saying,"Iam comfortable with my blindfold and will try to see blindfoldedly, I dont want to create a new pattern of tearing or unveiling my blind fold" Its also akin to a smoker saying..."Let me see if this last ciggarrette makes me leave my smoking habit"...it will never happen. He has to induce a new habit like trying to have a nictone patch and holding a pencil in his fingers to control urge and slowly remove the nicotine patch and reframe his brain wiring toward nicotine. How did you create the old mindset, think about that first and try to induce a new mindset...You will see the result which happens incrementally(success is always built on incremental efforts but ideas are quantum jumps) No kidding here... And finally, I just said Body-mind matrix...i never said body-mind-soul matrix....soul is out of the matrix and beyond it and is the goal of the out-go of the matrix so can never be the part of it. Hope you understand, Iam not talking any newage gibberish, this is serious srividya tantra concepts Iam talking about. --------------------- Moksha for everyone... Reply: It is not a concept. It is a fact, whether you believe it or not even Hitler or any evil person will get moksha one day but maybe after millions of years and after passing through many lower forms of evolutions. Need not break one's head with the end result... just enjoy the process, for thats the goal!! Shakambhary Namosthuthe' Shreeram Balijepalli > > How does the Body-Mind-Soul matrix work then..> > Moksha for everyone..I remember to have heard this in a discourse > and been contemplating, but I am really apphrensive about its > concept.> > Regards,> Raghu Venkata.> > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , "para_anuloma" > para_anuloma@ wrote:> >> > Dear Raghu Venkataji,> > > > I was playing the role of a devil's advocate there.> > > > However, I should emphasise the role of cleanliness of body too > while > > worshipping.Many youngsters these days see Yogis smoking opium and > > dirty in their clothing and behavior and think that is real > > spirituality.> > > > Well, in a way, some of these yogis are very authentic and they > have > > mastered the elements and thus can remain internally like a fresh > > bloomed lotus while with an external facade of filth.> > > > But for most of us, our mind gets tricked and disturbed by the > > external dirt and thus the need to be clean.> > > > When a boy or a girl meets his/her lover they take care of their > > bodies so much, they apply creams and unguents, scents and > powders, > > to their hitherto careless demeanour and they present themselves > at > > their best behavior before their beloved(how they will be after > > marriage is an entirely different topic!)...when a human is given > so > > much of importance, why not Divine Mother who loves you so much > and > > who hears every thought you get going in your mind?> > > > Just yesterday, I replied to a woman member regarding menses and > what > > is the scientific and spiritual reasons why one should stay away > from > > puja rituals but can go ahead with japa...> > > > ----------------> > > > Ajapa-japa is a different thing..it is a training for the mind to > > have a substratum of the divinity deeply embedded ito the > subconsious > > mind.> > > > This has no restrictions and can be done anywhere...> > > > and thus the reply to the member's query...> > > > ---------------------> > Now to answer your question...> > > > People ask of "breaking a mind set"...this is impossible.> > > > First,You cannot break a mind set , you can only create a new > mindset > > which replaces the old one and keep focussing on the new one so > that > > the old one dies off and withers on its own accord.> > > > Second,you need to have an acceptance framework built into your > mind. > > Always think for anything you encounter...Is there a possibility > for > > something different? what-if?(what -if analysis)....This > possibility > > thinking does make life easier and a joy to live in creatively.> > > > -------------> > > > Everything happens via body> > > > hmmmm...well, everything happens via body-mind collaboration, I > would > > say. A body-mind matrix is what controls people at a basic level. > > When a transendence happens then just the pure mind happens, then > > that too is decimated and then consciousness emerges and so on and > so > > forth till you unionize with the Paramamvyoman.> > > > So no harm starting at the very basic.> > > > One need not curse or feel bad about it every saint from tukaram > and > > eknath to jesus or even lordkrishna have been humans like us in > some > > janma in some aeon(kalpa) and they have ascended to this stage by > > working out their karmas through many such stages..> > > > Moksha is for everyone...it is just a matter of time...> > > > Is it weeks or months or millions of years?> > > > Jaya Nistaarini Amba!> > > > Shreeram Balijepalli> > > > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , "raghuvenkataj" > > <raghuvenkataj@> wrote:> > >> > > Hi Shreeramji,> > > > > > I could not avoid responding to the below clarifications..even I > > had > > > similar doubts mentioned below..> > > > > > 1. As we are brought up in a mindset of doing certain things > like > > > one should not chant mantra as we are shoes made of leather or > > after > > > using toilet and so on..though what you have said below is right > > but > > > how does break such a mindset...by meditation..or by..different > > line > > > thought process. > > > > > > 2. More-ever everything (almost) happens via body. Mind somehow > > > refuses to accept certain truths...how does one overcome these > kind > > > of thoughts..> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Raghu Venkata.> > > > > > Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , "para_anuloma" > > > <para_anuloma@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear S ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I too am a Telugu Brahmin who used to reside in Chennai, now in> > > > Newyork,USA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iam glad to know you are my Gurubhratha.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The words of one's Guru is Vedavaakku...Even if Shankaracharya > of > > > Kanchi> > > > says something one should just listen to it patiently and > > > appreciate the> > > > beauty but alwways follow one's preceptor's advices...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways I will answer your query presently......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your query No.1. I am doing my Japa without any Nyasa. Do I > need > > to> > > > atleast do> > > > some Basic Nyasas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no harm in doing Kara and Anga Nyaasas. For other > > nyaasas > > > one> > > > should get initiation and hence Swamy said "no need for that". > He> > > > prefers simplicity.> > > > > > > > > > > > Your query No.2. I sometimes feel like doing internal Japa at > > > office.> > > > Can I do> > > > Japa at that time ?. Coz at office we wear shoes and visit > toilets> > > > and ofcourse you can imagine that not much of cleanliness is > > there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do panchadasi while even going for toilet.But I make it a > point > > > to do> > > > it first sitting before my pujaroom and doing meditation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Japa is something internal and something which is pure. If > > toilets > > > and> > > > shoes which are externalities affect you then there is no > point > > in > > > doing> > > > ajapa-japa which is purely internal. Toilets and shoes cannot > > > enter your> > > > heart or mind if you have control.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Continue for Amba is in everything....pure and dirty > > things....she > > > is> > > > omnipresent...and omniscient....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your query No.3. Sometimes I feel like doing Japa before going > to > > > bed.> > > > Can I do> > > > Japa at that time ?.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who prevents you from that?..Infact there is no better way for > a> > > > youngman to go to sleep than chanting the mantra of Amba than > the > > > name> > > > of a Film actress(unless ofcourse it is Amba's name!! Haha1)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours yogically...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shreeram Balijepalli> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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