Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Please read the 7th weapon as " Proper unhurried and non-lethargic practice " instead of " Proper unhurried or lethargic practice " Shaktheyem , " para_anuloma " <para_anuloma wrote: > > > Dear Vivek, > > There is something called ApdDharmA,where such extenuating circumstances > might thwart you from the niyamAs of adhering to a fixed time. > > You may: > > 1. Do the japA(ajapA way) while travelling or during waiting time. > > yAmalA says thus: > > s'uchirvApyas'uchirvA.api gacChan thishTan svapannApi | > manthrAikasharaNo vidhvAn manasApi sadhA smaran || > > Whether one is physically clean or not, or is walking, talking, eating, > sleeping, a true upAsaka should never stop reciting his mUla manthrA. > Various rules of deha, sthAna shuddhi,etc. apply only to the first two > modes of japa which are vAchikA and upAms'u. These rules do not apply > for mAnasika japa, the superior-most among the three. > > Lord s'ivA uses the word " manasApi sadhA smaran " which must be inferred > as for mAnasikA mode primarily. > > mAnsikA is best for mumukshUs(those who are aiming for mOkshA).For the > rest with various kAma-vAnchAs, the other two modes are best. > > 2. When back home,resolve to compensate by doing one extra round or the > missed day's japa-sankhyA. > > Most of what I say is commonsensical and since people need pramAnAs,I > offer at times selectively.Most times I say > > " Do whatever little you know perfectly and slowly you will know > perfectly what to do " > > Spiritual practice must be cultivated in a persistent and systematic way > but also including flexibility in the practice.I call this > " persystematic-flexibility " (p.f)(coined this word recently) > > With this " p.f " , the spiritual practice itself will slowly reveal to > you,what is best for you, how you can evolve even more perfectly,the > manthra mUrthI and the devathA will guide you if your efforts are > sincere and laden with the fruit of faith and you will become mature in > spirituality and life in general. > > You might work on something and it does not work for you now.You may try > something which someone else is doing and you need to make some > modifications(unless your guru has something strict to say about > it).This does not mean, you leave the whole thing in limbo and go away > from it. > > -->What might work now might not work in future,what might not work now > might work in future.What is good for someone else might not be good for > you and what is good for you might not be good for someone else. > > You need to fine-tune it and the best way to fine-tune any > manthrA-cultivation is by goign through it.By planning,by arranging > things around it,by going above the problems and not allowing the > problems to submerge you,etc. > > You need for this a good dose of commonsense too.{Highly uncommon these > days with people } > > 7 weapons needed here are: > > 1. Commitment and s'radDhA > > 2. Time management(very crucial for success of any venture) > > 3. Determination and willpower. > > 4. Patience > > 5. Commonsense. > > 6. Adherence to niyamAs and yamAs. > > 7. Proper unhurried or lethargic practice. > > The spiritual warrior who possesses these 7 weapons can see the light of > Mother for sure. > > Persystematically i.e.! > > Shreeram Balijepalli > > Shaktheyem , " vivekkvn " <vivekkvn@> wrote: > > > > Pranaamam Sreeramagaru, > > > > Thank you very much for the " apt " and to the point iformation on > Mantra Sadhana. > > > > I have a small question for people like me who are into sales and > travel odd hours, for them at times it becomes difficult to maintain > regularity of time! > > > > Sreeramagaru, what is the best remedy for such persons who wants to do > Mantra Sadhana? > > > > May Amma bless you with Her Love! > > > > Vivek > > > > > > Shaktheyem , " para_anuloma " para_anuloma@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Amma, > > > > > > I would not take any question little or small otherwise.No one is > > > ignorant or knowledgable, everyone are children of Divine Mother.I > have > > > already broached upon this many times on this subject of secrecy in > my > > > past postings, do have a look at it. > > > > > > Some from Ammachi's group have asked me why they should or should > not > > > chant lalithA sahasranAmA freely.Your question is also similar to > that. > > > > > > Let me answer this logically and spiritually(there is no > > > contradiction).This elaborate reply is to answer people who might > have > > > such and similar doubts yet remain silent/taciturn > > > > > > You must not consider me 'otherwise', similarly, for my views on > your > > > posting.I respect your views: > > > > > > * " guhAthi guhyA " --means 'secret of secrets'(loosely > > > translating.Actually literally it is rhetorical 'say' as in : > " Secret! > > > Highly(very) secretive! " > > > * God or the divine is hidden in all manthrAs, why just manthrAs > > > mentioned " guhyAthi guhyA " ? > > > * Does that mean that manthrAs or sthothrAs which need not be held > > > secretive or need initiation, does not need God immanent in it? Even > a > > > mere calling out with heartfelt emotion Divine Mother's name has > " God " > > > in it.Don't you think so? > > > * I do seem parochial,villainish,selfish,brahminical and other > > > assorted adjectives you might adduce for the same with regards to > > > secrecy of manthrAs or rituals but it is with a reason and that is > for > > > your own good.What sort of a dIkshA can I possibly give you > > > online?(Online dIkshA?).The person who was asking the trAilokya > mOhanA > > > kavachA was asking a really puissant manthrAical chant not an > ordinary > > > kavachA.This includes lot of bIjAs(vIjAs) which require correct > guidance > > > and pronunciation.How could I possibly touch him and give a sparshA > > > dIkshA and guide him with all this? Unless some invention makes it > > > possible in the future to transport me to his place > > > instantly(Time-machine?/Distance-Time-Machine??) and then make this > > > possible.Even otherwise, I do not act as a dIkshA-guru to > anyone,just > > > here to guide to the best possible of my limited knowledge,people.If > the > > > person was given some manusciprt scanned by me and he starts reading > and > > > gets into trouble, the karmA will be both on his head(for rejecting > the > > > rules of guru-shishyA relationship) and on me to give it randomnly > to an > > > absolute stranger(and in a sense rejecting the rules again as in his > > > case).karmA is a double-edged sharp sword,it affects both the doler > and > > > the reciever in this case. > > > * If one recites mantras without probity and adherence to manthra > > > shAstrA rules: > > > > > > a. without a dIkshA(an initiation) > > > > > > b. without ucCHaranA(the right pronunciation) > > > > > > c. without the niyamAs {observance of necessary conditions > > > of chitta (mind), des'A (space or location) and kAla (time)} > > > > > > > > > d. Intent (or samkalpas'UdDhI) > > > > > > e. s'radDhA(Concentrated focus upon one's ishTA de'vathA > > > > > > Not only is the manthrA sidDHi not obtained but also the sAdhakA > gets > > > detrimental effects. > > > > > > * If one has immense faith but one does the manthrA improperly, the > > > results are delayed immensely.Sometimes,the journey continues for > > > several lifetimes.So a lifetime spent in an improper practice of a > > > manthrA results in another janmA wherein the sAdhakA continues under > the > > > guidance of a proper guru and attains salvation/sidDHi. > > > * ambA loves one and all.And She has framed certain rules.Doesn't > > > lalithA sahasranAma say-- " na shaTaya cha dushTAya karhichit " or in > yet > > > another place: " yo dadAti vimUDhAtmA shrIvidyArahitAya vai | > > > > > > tasya kupyanti yoginyaH so.anarthaH sumahAn smR^itaH | > > > * ambA is loving, but Her manthrAs are powerful as they are shabda > > > brAhman of the highest order.To consider and mix-up two things is > but > > > naiive. E.g: " Isn't fire useful for cooking and keeps one warm > during > > > winter? So, why not jump into it? " We do not do so, as we know and > have > > > been smitten by its power atleast in a small way while we were > perhaps > > > kids.The above example is a classic > > > kutarkavAdhA(erroneous/illogical/logical fallacy oriented > application of > > > mind) > > > * As far as manthrAs are concerned many people, I have seen even in > > > their ripe old age of 80s and 90s are kids,who have not been > 'smitten' > > > by this fire and thus they talk. > > > * hayagrIvA says thus in lalithA sahasranAmA: > > > chaturAshramaniShThaishcha kIrtanIyamidaM sadA | > > > svadharmasamanuShthAna vaikalya paripUrtaye || > > > kalau pApaikabahule dharmAnuShThAnavarjite | > > > nAmAnukIrtanaM muktvA nR^iNAM nAnyatparAyaNam || > > > > > > The third line is very important: In kalI many commit > > > various sins(knowingly or unknowingly) and thus leave behind dharmA > and > > > anushTAnA.The dharmA is such that it is not possible to practice > > > perfectly anything here these days.However, to leave certain basic > and > > > important rules to airs, when they can be practiced easily creates a > > > vAigunyA and it is in the best practices of sadgunyA(doesn't a > > > company/industry these have 'best practices' and doesn't the > corporate > > > world stick to it assiduously come what may?) to follow these > > > important,commonsensical and basic rules of manthrOpAsanA. > > > > > > * There are certain adhikArAs which are inplace for certain upAsanAs > > > like s'rIvidhyA,bhagalAmukhI,dashamAhAvidhyA,etc.And thus only some > > > people can truly get results and are qualified for practice.Anyone > can > > > study Accounting/Accountancy but it is only the qualified CPAs or > CAs > > > who can sign the Balance sheet of a company.(This might not be a > proper > > > upamAnA here but I hope it drives the point home).Similarly,while > > > everyone can do nAmasankIrthanA('learn Accounting/Accountancy'), it > is > > > only a few manthrAdhikAris who can do certain things('those who > qualify > > > for the CPA license or CA exam to sign company Balance sheets').And > this > > > manthrAdhikArathwA is not the domain of any particular sect or > caste.I > > > have known my gurunAthar give manthradIkshAs to even > > > Caucasians,Chinese,Malays and African-Americans(provided they adhere > to > > > certain niyamAs of vegetarianism,regular > > > pUjA-pArayanA-manthrOpAsanA,abstention from alcohol,sexual > > > probity,etc).Traditionally, the domain might have been held by a > certain > > > communities or castes but this is no reason to resist or hate the > rule > > > itself,which is but divine.One needs to study in depth atleast a few > > > texts,when one has sometime and then try to understand the rationale > > > behind the rule than blowing the fan of an emotional fire. > > > * I once went to my sarvamangala-ashramA when in terrible body > > > wrenching pain of doing kundalInI upAsanA flouting certain rules(see > > > what happened even in my case!) and cried out to him shedding > tears-- " I > > > think I have committed thousand crore sins to be suffering like > > > this.Please ask ambA to take my life,I don't want to trouble my old > > > parents(at that time I was not married).Please swAmi! Please > swAmi!... " I > > > was wailing out like a mad man possessed by a crying fit.Everyone > there > > > took pity on my condition.My swAmI said, " Why do you talk of sins? > Don't > > > you have belief in me and ambA? When I said you will come out of > this, > > > trust me, you will.Live every second of this pain and then you will > see > > > it running away from you. " It took me few years to heal of the > > > scars,afterall wasn't it my own wrongdoing of considering naively > like > > > you that ambA is my mother and She loved me a lot that I can do any > damn > > > thing under the sun regards Her upAsanA? And yes, She was loving too > > > because even in that pain,She gave me an assurance that I will be > > > saved(but not before being punished for my very karmAs).The proof of > the > > > pudding lay in me typing these words to you Amma! This group was > started > > > to prevent such a thing which happened to me.I lay in home just like > the > > > Actor Vikram(Tamizh actor) in the film " Sethu " --Numb and lost to the > > > world, in my yOgA-avasthA(or should I say anAvasthA?) > > > * Philosophers,Big Gurus,Pontiffs,etc say many things in talks and > > > very beautifully too.They attract lot of people and maybe some good > > > savants put them into right paths,some aggrandize pelf and power > from > > > their devotees.Now, Im not saying anything against Ganapathi > > > Satchidananda Garu,I met Him twice in His ashramA and He was nice to > > > me.However, contextual inference is what we need with such people.If > one > > > follows all He says,then one can do as He says.But many selectively > > > quote a few and leave the rest of the great saint's > teachings.Ammachi is > > > also one such saint who is often misquoted by one and all.There is > no > > > 'buffet dinner system' with Gurus.Either you follow everything they > say > > > and consider them the be-all-and-all-to life and spirituality or do > not > > > follow them.There is no middle path in such things.If you want to > live > > > by their rules,then they become your mAnasIka gurus. > > > * I go strictly by what my gurunAthA says and whichever texts He > > > directs me to read for further knowledge.Always a safe bet is to > stick > > > to sAmpradAyikA teachings and follow what the scripture says without > > > hate or bias. > > > * ammA might not stop anyone from calling Her in anyway.She is > called > > > " pashyanthI-paradevAthA " .She sees All and knows All.However, this > does > > > not mean, the punishments or karmAs which come forth due to a wrong > act > > > or vibration from a wrongly pronounced manthrA or guhya sthOthrA > will > > > not come.if you want to test it, try reading all sthOthrAs wrongly > or > > > without receiving any dIkshA and see for yourself! > > > * ammA enjoys the love from our heart more than the words which > > > emnate from our lips.True! very true!Most of us should become then > mIrAs > > > or bhaktha kannAppAs.Even mIrA(or bhakthA kannappA in his older > birth > > > was a great s'ivA upAsakA) was a manthrOpAsakA and served Her guru > most > > > faithfully.When KrishnA tested Her bhakthi-s'radDhA towards Her > Guru.She > > > asked Him to wait patiently till she finished serving Her Guru.Why > did > > > She not think " Krishna loves my love for Him, more than any damn > Guru or > > > manthrA of this world. " ? > > > * ammA loves best a devotee who is a sAdhakA,who loves Her with > > > his/her heart,who adheres to rules of rituals and scriptures with > > > his/her chosen deity or source of divnity,who respects traditions > and > > > does not selectively quote or act smart or misquote something to > his/her > > > conveince,who takes pains to learn the manthrAs properly and the > > > adherent niyamAs and yamAs assidously to the best possible > level(doesn't > > > a male take all out effort to know much information about a girl he > has > > > been 'lovingly' stalking/ogling?This is more than a mere human > > > female-biological-love response.This is something at an Athmic > level). > > > * manthrAs are tremendous sources of potent-energy,much akin to > > > atomic bombs and in wrong hands or in wrong situations can do > potential > > > damage.I have been witness to the same.I have seen many many friends > and > > > members and even complete strangers come to me to rectify their > > > situations and my age is not that much mind you!(In many cases,I > myself > > > am rendered helpless because of the kArmic-complexity of the > > > situation)Most of them have come to such states following > > > yanthrA,manthrA practices from either market place books or > > > websites(current bane).I can quote many mistakes from many websites > and > > > books from market,except a few which I can count in my hands(and > these > > > few do not showcase any manthrAs as such). > > > * Your alibi might also fail if you say-- " Yes, I love my child and > my > > > child wants to jump from the sixth floor of this building " Isn't my > love > > > for her and her love for me most important.This aint cute! > Perhaps,the > > > child might survive a fall from the sixth floor but not a person who > > > ventures assininely without the protection of a Guru into > manthrOpAsanA. > > > * I have mentioned that one must get it from one's preceptor(or if > > > one has no preceptor then get one first!) but nowhere have I > mentioned > > > that it is limited only to a few people.This is reading wrongly > between > > > the lines. > > > * You start and end with " Sairam " ,assuming that you love Baba of > > > Shirdi,let me ask you onething. Has Baba been in favour of giving > > > manthrA freely to everyone or whether he did so?Please refer to the > > > story of Radhabai Deshmukh and His interaction with Her in > > > SaisatcharithA.(Please see addendum below*) > > > > > > I hope this much of an elaborate answer will do for now.Henceforth > if > > > anyone asks such similar queries,this posting would be referred to. > > > > > > Again, if I have been harsh or erroneous in explaining anything > above, > > > it is purely my incompetence as I myself am learning under the > BlueLotus > > > feet of my GurunAThA as a student with my dull wit made even duller > by > > > the ravishes of kaliyugAMy only recourse being my gurunAthA and my > > > gurupriyA rAjarAjes'varI paradevathA.Please excuse my ignorance too > > > here, if it has been narrow-minded and hurt you. > > > > > > jaya mama guru paramparA! > > > > > > jaya sarvamangale'! > > > > > > Yours Yogically, > > > > > > Shreeram Balijepalli. > > > > > > Addendum*: > > > > > > > > > > > > Very rare photo of Babaji. > > > > > > There was an old woman by name Radhabai, She was the mother of one > > > Khashaba Deshmukh. Hearing Baba's fame, she came to Shirdi with the > > > people of Sangamner. She took Baba's darshan and was much satisfied. > She > > > loved Baba intimately and resolved in her mind, that She should > accept > > > Baba as her Guru, and take some Upadesh from Him. She knew nothing > else. > > > She determined to fast herself unto death, so long as Baba did not > > > accept her, and give her any Upadesh or Mantra. She stayed in her > > > lodging and left off taking any food or water for three days. I was > > > frightened by this ordeal of the old woman, and interceded with Baba > on > > > her behalf. I said, " Deva, what is this You have started? You drag > so > > > many persons here. You know that old lady. She is very obstinate and > > > depends on You entirely, She has resolved to fast unto death, if You > > > don't accept and instruct her. If any thing worse happens, people > will > > > blame You, and say that Baba did not instruct her, and consequently > she > > > met her death. So take some mercy on her, bless her and instruct > her. " > > > On seeing her determination, Baba sent for her, changed the turn of > her > > > mind by addressing her as follows:- > > > > > > " Oh mother, why are you subjecting yourself to unnecessary tortures > and > > > hastening your death? You are really My Mother and I am your child. > Take > > > pity on Me and hear Me through. I tell you My own story, which if > you > > > listen carefully, will do you good. I had a Guru. He was a great > Saint > > > and most merciful. I served him long, very long; still he would not > blow > > > any Mantra into My ears. I had a keen desire, never to leave him but > to > > > stay with and serve him; and at all costs receive some instructions > from > > > him. But he had his own way. He first got my head shaved and asked > Me > > > two pice as Dakshina. I gave the same at once. If you say that as My > > > Guru was perfect, why should he ask for money and how should he be > > > called desireless? I replied plainly that he never cared for coins. > What > > > had he to do with them? His two pice were (1) Firm Faith and (2) > > > Patience or perseverance. I gave these two pice or things to him, > and he > > > was pleased. > > > > > > " I resorted to My Guru for 12 years. He brought Me up. There was no > > > dearth of food and clothing. He was full of love nay, he was love > > > incarnate. How can I describe it? He loved Me most. Rare is a Guru > like > > > him. When I looked at him, he seemed as if he was in deep > meditation, > > > and then we both were filled with Bliss. Night and day, I gazed at > him > > > with no thought of hunger and thirst. Without him, I felt restless. > I > > > had no other object to meditate, nor any other thing than My Guru to > > > attend. He was My sole refuge. My mind was always fixed on him. This > is > > > one pice Dakshina. Saburi (Patience or perseverance) is the other > pice. > > > I waited patiently and very long on My Guru and served him. This > Saburi > > > will ferry you across the sea of this mundane existence. Saburi is > > > manliness in man, it removes all sins and afflictions, gets rid of > > > calamities in various ways, and casts aside all fear, and ultimately > > > gives you success. Saburi is the mine of virtues, consort of good > > > thought. Nishtha (Faith) and Saburi (Patience) are like twin > sisters, > > > loving each other very intimately. " > > > > > > " My Guru never expected any other thing from Me. He never neglected > Me, > > > but protected Me at all times. I lived with him, and was sometimes > away > > > from him; still I never felt the want or absence of his love. He > always > > > protected Me by his glance, just as the tortoise feeds her young > ones, > > > whether they are near her or away from her on the other side of the > > > river bank, by her loving looks. Oh mother, My Guru never taught Me > any > > > Mantra, then how shall I blow any Mantra in your ears? Just remember > > > that Guru's tortoise-like loving glance gives us happiness. Do not > try > > > to get Mantra or Upadesh from anybody. Make Me the sole object of > your > > > thoughts and actions; and you will, no doubt, attain Paramartha (the > > > spiritual goal of life). Look at Me whole-heartedly, and I in turn > look > > > at you similarly. Sitting in this Masjid, I speak the truth, nothing > but > > > the truth. No Sadhanas, nor proficiency in the six Shastras, are > > > necessary. Have faith and confidence in your Guru. Believe fully, > that > > > Guru is the sole Actor or Doer. Blessed is he who knows the > greatness of > > > his Guru and thinks him to be Hari, Hara and Brahma (Trimurti) > > > Incarnate. " > > > > > > Instructed in this way, the old lady was convinced; she bowed to > Baba > > > and gave up her fast. > > > > > > Shaktheyem , vani n <nvani2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sree Ram Garu, > > > > > > > > Sai Ram, > > > > > > > > I humbly request your opinion about the secrecy of our mantras.I > heard > > > from Sri Ganapathi Sacchidaananda Swamiji - that some of the mantras > are > > > mentioned as " Guhyathi Guhyam " only because -That the essence of god > is > > > hidden in the mantra as a secrect and as such the mantra itself is > not a > > > secret and limited to only certain people. > > > > > > > > I also feel -will amma stop or restrict anybody from calling her > in > > > any form or way -is it not the love from our hearts amma enjoys, > more > > > than the words we utter? > > > > Being a mother my self ,this is what my abiliy comprehends. > > > > > > > > Please don't take this otherwise and hope you excuse my ignorance. > > > > Sai Ram > > > > Vani. > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/5/09, para_anuloma para_anuloma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > para_anuloma para_anuloma@ > > > > [shaktheyem] Re: New file uploaded to Shaktheyem > > > > Shaktheyem > > > > Saturday, September 5, 2009, 7:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the kavachA is not an ordinary one and is highly potent with > > > > > > > > bIjAs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from initiation into s'rIvidhyA, one must also get it > strictly > > > > > > > > from one's preceptor and do it according to guided principles of > > > > > > > > mantra-ucCHaranA. Some of the vIjAs are tricky and need utter > guidance > > > > > > > > from some adept.Also, I have seen lot of typos in a popular book > sold > > > in > > > > > > > > the market.Now, this is very perilous and would bring about > > > substantial > > > > > > > > damage to the sAdhakA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I have a couple of rudhrayAmalA versions(of which one I'm > > > > > > > > chanting on certain days with the approval of my gurunAthar), I > myself > > > am > > > > > > > > in search of the guhya s'Odas'I upAskA-prIthi version(the version > > > found > > > > > > > > in rudhrayAmalA s'Odas'I khandA) wherein 108 types of s'rI vidhyA > > > > > > > > manthrAs are mentioned apart from s'odas'I-dala vivaranA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has it, I request to please do pass it on to me.I would > be > > > > > > > > really grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shreeram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaktheyem@gro ups.com, seetharaman vasu vasumerc@ .> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PDF gives the explantions and I wish to get the kavacha > mantras > > > > > > > > Pls. Can you pls help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > > S.Vasu Iyer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > " Shaktheyem@gro ups.com " Shaktheyem@gro ups.com > > > > > > > > > Shaktheyem@gro ups.com > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 5 September, 2009 11:08:50 > > > > > > > > > [shaktheyem] New file uploaded to Shaktheyem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > > > > > > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Shaktheyem > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > File : /trAilOkyamOhanakav achamm.pdf > > > > > > > > > Uploaded by : para_anuloma <para_anuloma@ .ca> > > > > > > > > > Description : trAilOkyamOhanakava cham-Info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can access this file at the URL: > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Shaktheyem trAilOkya > > > > > > > > mOhanakavachamm. pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > > > > > > > > http://help. / l/us// groups/original/ > > > general.htmlfile > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > para_anuloma <para_anuloma@ .ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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