srimad devi bhagwat puran

December 17, 2009

jai gurudev

om shivgoraksha

i think reg guru and no guru :

when we read srimad devi bhagwat puran,we find that

despoie not having any proper guru nor any initiation

by a human guru,utthapa,etc many devotee

utathya son of devdutta gets does not get any initiation

from any guru still by grace of mother,he gets siddhi and

blessings of maa..

most important,is that we must surrender to maa,as she

is the adi guru.

yes guru is most important,but in today's world when

any real saadguurus r very difficult to find and due to

lack of time,people r unable to fully be immersed into

sadhana best is sharanagati to maa and being

devoted to her.

i have seen many cases where even by read shlokas

translation in hindi and also sridurga kavach in hindi

many people have got very good benefit.

yes guru is imp,but if we cant find guru,devotion to

maa,and accepting her as our divine adiguru,and

reading mother charitra in sri durga saptashati srimad

devi bhagwat puran etc even in hindi or english is

very blissful punyadayak and gives divine blessings

of maa.

main thing is sharangati to maa,and devotion to maa.

guru may or may not guide properly but mata is never kumata

so she will never mislead.even just reading in any language

we r comfortable in is very good.

over time as the soul evoles surely by maa's grace we

will get a saadguru.

till then we can always start as a first step by being

devoted and read the avrious charitras etc,so that

our evolution is speeded up.

om shakti

gopal

om shakti

gopal

--

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

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TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND

ALL THAT EXISTS

IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI

MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI

SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER

December 19, 2009

Im typing all this from Kerala fast...sorry for any typos or for bad english,I

would not be able to reply all your emails as Im on a piligrimage cum holiday

tour here.Just a few selected emails,Im typing.My wife would kill me if I spend

here too on computer and internet!

So let me type a few lines fast...

-----------------------

Dear Sir,

Devi Bhagavatha Puranam is one thing whereas Sapthashati Parayana is another

thing.Please do not confuse apples with oranges.

Purana needs no initiation to read an enjoy the leelas of Devi.

However, some serious aspirants take the permission of their Guru for this too.

We can quote stories from purAnAs that such and such a person did not get any

initiation,did not have any Guru,etc and yet he or she became great.But we

forget certain things:

1. Puranas are inter-linked stories of curses and blessings.Just take any Vedic

Purani story and you find every event and birth having a string of karma and

curses or Blessings and benedictions.This is to emphasize the law of karma that

such an under-current narration has ben provided.Thus we do not know what

happened in previous births of Utathaya and though it is clearly mentioned in

Devi Bhagavatha Purana, we fail to take cognizance of it.This is what happens

when we quote selectively!

What happened in the case of Uthathaya,let us take the

story,epilogue,prelogue,whatever...

Sri Hotrâ Govila, the excellent reciter of the Sâma hymns, began to sing in

accented tones called svarita (the accents are three Udâtta, Anudâtta and

Svarita) and the Rathantara Sâma in 7 tunes.Then he began to draw breath

frequently; and consequently there was a break in time in the accent of Govila.

Seeing this, Deva Datta(the father of Uthathaya) was angry and immediately said

to Govila, " Well, Govila, you are the foremost of the Munis and still you are

doing your work like a quite illiterate man. I fear obstacles may arise in the

getting of my son in this my sacrifice of Puttresti "

Govila then became much enraged and told Deva Datta " your son will be

illiterate, hypocrite, and dumb.Behold! Every being is subject to breathing and

respiring; it is very hard to control them; there is no fault of mine in the

accents of my songs being thus broken; it is strange that you, being

intelligent, cannot understand this minute thing too! "

So, here goes the first curse, wherein Devaddatta was acursed to get a dumb

child like Uthathaya.

Being afraid to hear the curse from Govila, Deva Datta became very sorry and

said " O Muni! I have done no serious offence; why are you so offended without

any cause. See! The Munis are void of anger and they always give delight to

others.O best of Brâhmans! My offence is very trifling; why have you inflicted

on me so severe a curse? I was already under the mental agony, since I had no

issues; and now you have made me suffer move pain. "

For the Vedic Pundits in those days declare that it is better not to have any

son than to have an illiterate stupid son; the more so, when a Brâhmin's son is

illiterate, he is blamed by one and all.

Devadatta, saying these words, fell prostrate at his feet and began to eulogise

him in very pitiful words, being very much grieved and with tears in his eyes.

The merciful Govila then addressed the distressed Devadatta " your son though at

first illiterate, will afterwards be very learned due to the Grace of Bhagavathy

due to His past birth merit "

So, there you go! You have a curse,a boon and a past birth reference.

So Uthathya has a past birth merit as a Devi Upasaka and Had a Guru too past

birth and this birth thus is a continuation of that upAsanA.

We cannot thus compare such kAranajanmAs like Uthathya,Adishankara,etc and

arrogate ourselves to such states and claim that Gurus need to be rejected.

There are a 100 fake diamonds and people wear them and claim them as real

diamonds but then there is a real diamond too,howsoever rare or precious it

might be and its lustre is permanent and more dazzling.

This real diamond is what is to be search.

In this search lies the Grace of Bhavany,in this search lies the fulfillment of

God in you.

--------------------------

The easy-logic which says:

" If we cant find an authentic Guru...we take Divine Mother as Adiguru... "

is good to hear for the ears, but practically and spiritually we fool

ourselves.With such a Guru, the sevabhAva will not come,without that vAirAgya or

humilty will never seep in.Even people who do service under authetic Gurus

themselves do not get all these virtuous qualities in proper measure, then what

to say of people who do not even try to obtain a proper Guru?

Sad-gurus exist in all times,even 100 years from now when maybe even India will

might become ultramodern, Sadgurus might still exist in some cozy confines of

Himalayas or the hillranges down south.Just that it takes the Grace of Amba to

get such Gurus.

Reading Kavach or Sapthashathi parayana in translated version would not pose

much problem maybe(unless niyamas are really lacking) but in samskruthA, we have

to be careful with the uccharana and the swara and chandas.Also, what we claim

as sapthashathi is a reduced version of the original and though some claim to

have it, till now no one has been able to lay hands on the full text.

Sharanaagathi to Ma is good but first sharanaagathi to one's preceptor is even

more important.When one does not know to surrender before God in human form and

does not know the quality of humility and surrender here,then how can Devi be

prepared to appear before such a devotee and bless Him in flesh and blood?

----------

For the devotion to evolve,and soul to progress one can read many other litanies

and puranas in abundance,why go behind something which requires certain niyamas

and yamas? It is like the child asking for a sweet meat which is forbidden and

kept up the loft and first asked to eat the meal before it,and then after the

meal is over, the child is given surely the sweetmeat.If sweet-meats are given

before the mealtime,the child develops a case of bad digestion,a dislike for

food,starts getting bored even with the sweetmeat and becomes malnourished!

Puranas--one can read

Sapthashati,sahasranama,etc need initiation and guidance of a Guru to read

properly with

1. Energization(by Guru giving from his shakthi--shakthipatha) and purity

and

2. Proper pronunciation and swarA.

Else, we just live in paradise-land and ascribe everything which happens good in

our life to such parayanas and everything bad to bad luck and become the

butt-of-jokes for atheists who take the first chance to give their 2 cents on

everything.

Being a senior upasaka you must lead youngsters like us sir.I know you are

advanced and learned but lot of youngsters need guidance from you,sir.

Please forgive me for any excess spoken!Just reiterated what my Guru had

*thrown* in my ears longtime ago....

Yours Yogically,

Mythreya Sreeraam Bhallyjayappolle

, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote:

>

> jai gurudev

>

> om shivgoraksha

>

> i think reg guru and no guru :

>

> when we read srimad devi bhagwat puran,we find that

> despoie not having any proper guru nor any initiation

> by a human guru,utthapa,etc many devotee

>

> utathya son of devdutta gets does not get any initiation

> from any guru still by grace of mother,he gets siddhi and

> blessings of maa..

>

> most important,is that we must surrender to maa,as she

> is the adi guru.

>

> yes guru is most important,but in today's world when

> any real saadguurus r very difficult to find and due to

> lack of time,people r unable to fully be immersed into

> sadhana best is sharanagati to maa and being

> devoted to her.

>

> i have seen many cases where even by read shlokas

> translation in hindi and also sridurga kavach in hindi

> many people have got very good benefit.

>

> yes guru is imp,but if we cant find guru,devotion to

> maa,and accepting her as our divine adiguru,and

> reading mother charitra in sri durga saptashati srimad

> devi bhagwat puran etc even in hindi or english is

> very blissful punyadayak and gives divine blessings

> of maa.

>

> main thing is sharangati to maa,and devotion to maa.

>

> guru may or may not guide properly but mata is never kumata

> so she will never mislead.even just reading in any language

> we r comfortable in is very good.

>

> over time as the soul evoles surely by maa's grace we

> will get a saadguru.

>

> till then we can always start as a first step by being

> devoted and read the avrious charitras etc,so that

> our evolution is speeded up.

>

> om shakti

>

> gopal

>

> om shakti

>

> gopal

>

--

>

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

+++++++

>

> TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND

> ALL THAT EXISTS

> IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI

> MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI

> SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER

>

December 19, 2009

jai gurudev

om shivgoraksha

all knowledge is mother herself.so she is real adiguru.

let people start somewhere,if we put so many restrictions

how will dharma grow ???

dharma is under great threat from u know where.

reading the hindi or any language translations will

start the evolution of soul,and in some time surely

by blessings of maa narayani,person will get good

human guru.

even chanting name of maa and simply : OM SHAKTI ,will also help.

but let people start somewhere.

reading the charitra of maa in sri durga saptashati,srimad devi bhagwat pruan,

etc...can be first step,let it start somewhere.this is all i say.

let things begin somehwere,else charlatans will misguide people,

so better to let people read even in local language or

their mother tongue is good enuf.

i am not a new age faddist,but seeing the decline of

dharma and also the increase of vidharmis and also

adharmis if we as humble children of maa dont do anything

positive it is as bad as murdering dharma with our own hands.

so let us start by atleast helping people read the various puranas

etc in local languages so as to increase inetrest in dharma and

dharmic activities.let devotional activities start,when the proper

time comes and soul is evoled the guru will come be

there,but let things start in the first place.

om shakti

gopal

On 12/19/09, para_anuloma <para_anuloma wrote:

Im typing all this from Kerala fast...sorry for any typos or for bad english,I would not be able to reply all your emails as Im on a piligrimage cum holiday tour here.Just a few selected emails,Im typing.My wife would kill me if I spend here too on computer and internet!

So let me type a few lines fast...-----------------------Dear Sir,Devi Bhagavatha Puranam is one thing whereas Sapthashati Parayana is another thing.Please do not confuse apples with oranges.

Purana needs no initiation to read an enjoy the leelas of Devi.However, some serious aspirants take the permission of their Guru for this too.We can quote stories from purAnAs that such and such a person did not get any initiation,did not have any Guru,etc and yet he or she became great.But we forget certain things:

1. Puranas are inter-linked stories of curses and blessings.Just take any Vedic Purani story and you find every event and birth having a string of karma and curses or Blessings and benedictions.This is to emphasize the law of karma that such an under-current narration has ben provided.Thus we do not know what happened in previous births of Utathaya and though it is clearly mentioned in Devi Bhagavatha Purana, we fail to take cognizance of it.This is what happens when we quote selectively!

What happened in the case of Uthathaya,let us take the story,epilogue,prelogue,whatever...Sri Hotrâ Govila, the excellent reciter of the Sâma hymns, began to sing in accented tones called svarita (the accents are three Udâtta, Anudâtta and Svarita) and the Rathantara Sâma in 7 tunes.Then he began to draw breath frequently; and consequently there was a break in time in the accent of Govila. Seeing this, Deva Datta(the father of Uthathaya) was angry and immediately said to Govila, " Well, Govila, you are the foremost of the Munis and still you are doing your work like a quite illiterate man. I fear obstacles may arise in the getting of my son in this my sacrifice of Puttresti "

Govila then became much enraged and told Deva Datta " your son will be illiterate, hypocrite, and dumb.Behold! Every being is subject to breathing and respiring; it is very hard to control them; there is no fault of mine in the accents of my songs being thus broken; it is strange that you, being intelligent, cannot understand this minute thing too! "

So, here goes the first curse, wherein Devaddatta was acursed to get a dumb child like Uthathaya.Being afraid to hear the curse from Govila, Deva Datta became very sorry and said " O Muni! I have done no serious offence; why are you so offended without any cause. See! The Munis are void of anger and they always give delight to others.O best of Brâhmans! My offence is very trifling; why have you inflicted on me so severe a curse? I was already under the mental agony, since I had no issues; and now you have made me suffer move pain. "

For the Vedic Pundits in those days declare that it is better not to have any son than to have an illiterate stupid son; the more so, when a Brâhmin's son is illiterate, he is blamed by one and all.Devadatta, saying these words, fell prostrate at his feet and began to eulogise him in very pitiful words, being very much grieved and with tears in his eyes.

The merciful Govila then addressed the distressed Devadatta " your son though at first illiterate, will afterwards be very learned due to the Grace of Bhagavathy due to His past birth merit " So, there you go! You have a curse,a boon and a past birth reference.

So Uthathya has a past birth merit as a Devi Upasaka and Had a Guru too past birth and this birth thus is a continuation of that upAsanA.We cannot thus compare such kAranajanmAs like Uthathya,Adishankara,etc and arrogate ourselves to such states and claim that Gurus need to be rejected.

There are a 100 fake diamonds and people wear them and claim them as real diamonds but then there is a real diamond too,howsoever rare or precious it might be and its lustre is permanent and more dazzling.This real diamond is what is to be search.

In this search lies the Grace of Bhavany,in this search lies the fulfillment of God in you.-------------------------The easy-logic which says: " If we cant find an authentic Guru...we take Divine Mother as Adiguru... "

is good to hear for the ears, but practically and spiritually we fool ourselves.With such a Guru, the sevabhAva will not come,without that vAirAgya or humilty will never seep in.Even people who do service under authetic Gurus themselves do not get all these virtuous qualities in proper measure, then what to say of people who do not even try to obtain a proper Guru?

Sad-gurus exist in all times,even 100 years from now when maybe even India will might become ultramodern, Sadgurus might still exist in some cozy confines of Himalayas or the hillranges down south.Just that it takes the Grace of Amba to get such Gurus.

Reading Kavach or Sapthashathi parayana in translated version would not pose much problem maybe(unless niyamas are really lacking) but in samskruthA, we have to be careful with the uccharana and the swara and chandas.Also, what we claim as sapthashathi is a reduced version of the original and though some claim to have it, till now no one has been able to lay hands on the full text.

Sharanaagathi to Ma is good but first sharanaagathi to one's preceptor is even more important.When one does not know to surrender before God in human form and does not know the quality of humility and surrender here,then how can Devi be prepared to appear before such a devotee and bless Him in flesh and blood?

----------For the devotion to evolve,and soul to progress one can read many other litanies and puranas in abundance,why go behind something which requires certain niyamas and yamas? It is like the child asking for a sweet meat which is forbidden and kept up the loft and first asked to eat the meal before it,and then after the meal is over, the child is given surely the sweetmeat.If sweet-meats are given before the mealtime,the child develops a case of bad digestion,a dislike for food,starts getting bored even with the sweetmeat and becomes malnourished!

Puranas--one can readSapthashati,sahasranama,etc need initiation and guidance of a Guru to read properly with 1. Energization(by Guru giving from his shakthi--shakthipatha) and purityand2. Proper pronunciation and swarA.

Else, we just live in paradise-land and ascribe everything which happens good in our life to such parayanas and everything bad to bad luck and become the butt-of-jokes for atheists who take the first chance to give their 2 cents on everything.

Being a senior upasaka you must lead youngsters like us sir.I know you are advanced and learned but lot of youngsters need guidance from you,sir.Please forgive me for any excess spoken!Just reiterated what my Guru had *thrown* in my ears longtime ago....

Yours Yogically,Mythreya Sreeraam Bhallyjayappolle , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote:

>> jai gurudev> > om shivgoraksha> > i think reg guru and no guru :> > when we read srimad devi bhagwat puran,we find that> despoie not having any proper guru nor any initiation

> by a human guru,utthapa,etc many devotee> > utathya son of devdutta gets does not get any initiation> from any guru still by grace of mother,he gets siddhi and> blessings of maa..>

> most important,is that we must surrender to maa,as she> is the adi guru.> > yes guru is most important,but in today's world when> any real saadguurus r very difficult to find and due to

> lack of time,people r unable to fully be immersed into> sadhana best is sharanagati to maa and being> devoted to her.> > i have seen many cases where even by read shlokas> translation in hindi and also sridurga kavach in hindi

> many people have got very good benefit.> > yes guru is imp,but if we cant find guru,devotion to> maa,and accepting her as our divine adiguru,and> reading mother charitra in sri durga saptashati srimad

> devi bhagwat puran etc even in hindi or english is> very blissful punyadayak and gives divine blessings> of maa.> > main thing is sharangati to maa,and devotion to maa.> > guru may or may not guide properly but mata is never kumata

> so she will never mislead.even just reading in any language> we r comfortable in is very good.> > over time as the soul evoles surely by maa's grace we> will get a saadguru.>

> till then we can always start as a first step by being> devoted and read the avrious charitras etc,so that> our evolution is speeded up.> > > om shakti> > gopal>

> > > om shakti> > gopal> > > > > > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> > TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND> ALL THAT EXISTS> IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI> MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI

> SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER>

-- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL THAT EXISTS

IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALIMAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER

December 19, 2009

Dear Sir,

All knowledge is Mother.She is Adiguru.I never denied this.

Im not putting any restrictions on anyone here.Anyone is free to experiment.Im here acting only a guide to some people who are willing to listen.

I have personally suffered for more than 2.5 years due to my practice of trying things out from Kundalini Books and do not wish this to happen to even my most dreaded enemy.This is my reason.

dharmO-rakshathi-rakshithaha:

This is our eternal rule.There is no changing this coming what may.

dharmA protects the people who protect it.

dharmA is not to be confused with the spread of religion.Religion is not dharmA.Religion as we now know is something practiced by a mass of people holding something or someone sacred.Oflate there are attacks by Islamic and Christian forces on our Vedic religion,there is no doubt about this.But this is politicsnd dharmA is beyond this.

dharmA is even with respect to one single atrocity done to even an animal.It is closely connected to the Law of Karma,which I talk of often.

The protection of dharmA does not mean encouraging communalism,fanatism,etc in the name of ambA or Hinduism.

It means to show the right way, despite the peer-pressure.If 1000 people do something wrong,it never means a right thing can be done in a wrong way.

Mantras,chants,etc have lot of power in their vibrations and these need to be done in a proper manner or become a detriment to the sAdhakA.

If something has to be started somewhere we an do so in safe and peaceful manner.

Many chants of ambA like Rajarajeshwari ashtakam,Lalitha Panchakam,etc need no initiation and yet carry great power and potency when chanted with faith.These can be encouraged.

If you want to encourage a truant kid to study, would you take him/her near big tomes of JEE books and urge him/her to study it

or

Will you teach something basic,slowly equip him/her mentally,then make him/her reach the required standard of education required,know his/her likes and then allow him/her to make his/her own decisions regarding studying JEE?(He might for good reasons known to him/her even choose Medical entrance and opt for the medical course or might choose sculpting and go behind that if he/she has passion)

I think the later approach would be saner.

I clearly said, translations of the texts when treated with care and respect can be done without initiation.Please read my earlier email.I was only not in favour about doing the samskruthA texts without initations and that too only for some really powerful texts.Many books have a hundred errors and when people do that with or without initiation and without guidance regarding pronunciation,then they would have to suffer.

Then the dharma would suffer more.People would then say, "These are useless,infact they are harmful" and would go away from our religion.Dont you think so?

Many people who did not know what wrong thing was going on in their lives, were corrected by me with regards to pronunciation,ommision,correct procedure,etc and they had dramatic turn of events.

One gentleman I knew chanted the Sapthashathi in SamskruthA daily and he was really contended about it.

I met him and asked one day whether he was truly happy.He said he was and that Divine Mother was protecting him.

I asked him,"How do you connect yourself to Divine Mother daily?"

He replied, "I do daily saptha shathi a few chapters"

I asked him,"Is it in your language Malayalam?"

He replied"No! it is in samskruthA"

I asked him to read a bit before me and found his pronuncitions most abominal.This,despite the most-beautiful language Malayalam having all the aksharas which samskruthA had and also many words.Im amazed that words like "Yatra?"(meaning "where?" in samskruthA) are still in vougue in the language.

I then adviced him showing him all his errors to stop reading the text.

He was not convinced.

I then said to him,"Look here, you read Saptha shathi, but dont you eye the widow in the neighbourhood and mentally sexually fantasize about her daily?Isnt this a latest development? Try to think whether you ogled her and disrobed her mentally before this chant...comeon tell me"

Obviously he was flabbergasted beyond words.His silence meant a lot.

He then said with moist tears, "Please accept me as your disciple"

I said to him,"Hell no! It was just my Gurunathar who was guiding me here.So better go to my Gurunathar"

He pleaded me to guide him further.Then,I asked him to read Sri Devi Bhagavatha Purana in Malayalam.(This I advice all to do in their vernacular languages).

He started doing that and then he called me over phone one day to thank me.He is more than 60 years old,mind you and not a youngster with some "hot feelings"

----------

Dharma is in protecting every individual soul's safe interest in spirituality.

I might not be a perfect upholder of sanatana dharma nor claim to be one but I can surely share certain things which interested people can take if they like.

I have not discouraged anyone from chanting lalitha sahasranAma or the like.It is just that I ask them to get proper initiation from an authentic guru.I also do not keep exhorting all to go to my gurunAthA,unless they keep coming behind me like anything.I just say, "Get yourself a proper adept and get initiated and then do whatever you like."

Infact, many have been adviced by me to chant certain stotras and even mantras.So, maybe Im their guru.However, I really test them much before I give.They dont even know I test them!So, I make it all easy.Ultimately, Im dust before my gurunathar and thus,normally for serious requests I do send them to my gurunAthar.I do not know whether what Im doing is right or wrong but this is the way it has been till my mandha-buddhi is enlightened further.

Amba has a way to reach people whom She likes and loves easily.Is not this group which has been successfully running an effort by me to reach people?If I had been restrictive and parochial,I would never even start these groups and make efforts to spread knowledge,help people,share files(including stotra and mantra files),etc.As an auditor says(I myself am one trained in India)," Substance over style must be seen" for my statements.Just like the purAnAs, please also see the continuity of my messages.

People from Africa,America,Brazil,etc have taken initiation from my gurunAthar.Im putting this on record.He asks them to follow the niyamAs and yamAs.

srividhyA is not a political tool for propoganda.We have lot of parties doing that already for Hinduism(Which I prefer to call VedamathA).

I admit that lot of parties also against our sanathana-dharmA but then there is a way in which Karma is organized and how Devi functions and a dull-mind like mine can never grasp the depths of it.

I however, appreciate your noble intentions in spreading the divine word of ambA.

You would be glad to know that lot of youngsters are into the spiritual margA.

I myself am a youngster,Sir.Please bless me and forgiveme if I have spoken anything in excess.

Love and Peace,

Mythreya Sreeraam Bhallyjayappolle.

, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote:>> jai gurudev> > om shivgoraksha> > all knowledge is mother herself.so she is real adiguru.> > let people start somewhere,if we put so many restrictions> how will dharma grow ???> > dharma is under great threat from u know where.> > reading the hindi or any language translations will> start the evolution of soul,and in some time surely> by blessings of maa narayani,person will get good> human guru.> > even chanting name of maa and simply : OM SHAKTI ,will also help.> > but let people start somewhere.> > reading the charitra of maa in sri durga saptashati,srimad devi bhagwat> pruan,> etc...can be first step,let it start somewhere.this is all i say.> > let things begin somehwere,else charlatans will misguide people,> so better to let people read even in local language or> their mother tongue is good enuf.> > i am not a new age faddist,but seeing the decline of> dharma and also the increase of vidharmis and also> adharmis if we as humble children of maa dont do anything> positive it is as bad as murdering dharma with our own hands.> > so let us start by atleast helping people read the various puranas> etc in local languages so as to increase inetrest in dharma and> dharmic activities.let devotional activities start,when the proper> time comes and soul is evoled the guru will come be> there,but let things start in the first place.> > > > > > om shakti> > gopal> > > > > > > > > > On 12/19/09, para_anuloma para_anuloma wrote:> >> >> >> > Im typing all this from Kerala fast...sorry for any typos or for bad> > english,I would not be able to reply all your emails as Im on a piligrimage> > cum holiday tour here.Just a few selected emails,Im typing.My wife would> > kill me if I spend here too on computer and internet!> >> > So let me type a few lines fast...> >> > -----------------------> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > Devi Bhagavatha Puranam is one thing whereas Sapthashati Parayana is> > another thing.Please do not confuse apples with oranges.> >> > Purana needs no initiation to read an enjoy the leelas of Devi.> > However, some serious aspirants take the permission of their Guru for this> > too.> >> > We can quote stories from purAnAs that such and such a person did not get> > any initiation,did not have any Guru,etc and yet he or she became great.But> > we forget certain things:> >> > 1. Puranas are inter-linked stories of curses and blessings.Just take any> > Vedic Purani story and you find every event and birth having a string of> > karma and curses or Blessings and benedictions.This is to emphasize the law> > of karma that such an under-current narration has ben provided.Thus we do> > not know what happened in previous births of Utathaya and though it is> > clearly mentioned in Devi Bhagavatha Purana, we fail to take cognizance of> > it.This is what happens when we quote selectively!> >> > What happened in the case of Uthathaya,let us take the> > story,epilogue,prelogue,whatever...> >> > Sri Hotrâ Govila, the excellent reciter of the Sâma hymns, began to sing in> > accented tones called svarita (the accents are three Udâtta, Anudâtta and> > Svarita) and the Rathantara Sâma in 7 tunes.Then he began to draw breath> > frequently; and consequently there was a break in time in the accent of> > Govila. Seeing this, Deva Datta(the father of Uthathaya) was angry and> > immediately said to Govila,"Well, Govila, you are the foremost of the Munis> > and still you are doing your work like a quite illiterate man. I fear> > obstacles may arise in the getting of my son in this my sacrifice of> > Puttresti"> >> > Govila then became much enraged and told Deva Datta "your son will be> > illiterate, hypocrite, and dumb.Behold! Every being is subject to breathing> > and respiring; it is very hard to control them; there is no fault of mine in> > the accents of my songs being thus broken; it is strange that you, being> > intelligent, cannot understand this minute thing too!"> >> > So, here goes the first curse, wherein Devaddatta was acursed to get a dumb> > child like Uthathaya.> >> > Being afraid to hear the curse from Govila, Deva Datta became very sorry> > and said "O Muni! I have done no serious offence; why are you so offended> > without any cause. See! The Munis are void of anger and they always give> > delight to others.O best of Brâhmans! My offence is very trifling; why have> > you inflicted on me so severe a curse? I was already under the mental agony,> > since I had no issues; and now you have made me suffer move pain."> >> > For the Vedic Pundits in those days declare that it is better not to have> > any son than to have an illiterate stupid son; the more so, when a Brâhmin's> > son is illiterate, he is blamed by one and all.> >> > Devadatta, saying these words, fell prostrate at his feet and began to> > eulogise him in very pitiful words, being very much grieved and with tears> > in his eyes.> >> > The merciful Govila then addressed the distressed Devadatta "your son> > though at first illiterate, will afterwards be very learned due to the Grace> > of Bhagavathy due to His past birth merit"> >> > So, there you go! You have a curse,a boon and a past birth reference.> >> > So Uthathya has a past birth merit as a Devi Upasaka and Had a Guru too> > past birth and this birth thus is a continuation of that upAsanA.> >> > We cannot thus compare such kAranajanmAs like Uthathya,Adishankara,etc and> > arrogate ourselves to such states and claim that Gurus need to be rejected.> >> > There are a 100 fake diamonds and people wear them and claim them as real> > diamonds but then there is a real diamond too,howsoever rare or precious it> > might be and its lustre is permanent and more dazzling.> >> > This real diamond is what is to be search.> >> > In this search lies the Grace of Bhavany,in this search lies the> > fulfillment of God in you.> >> > -------------------------> >> > The easy-logic which says:> > "If we cant find an authentic Guru...we take Divine Mother as Adiguru..."> >> > is good to hear for the ears, but practically and spiritually we fool> > ourselves.With such a Guru, the sevabhAva will not come,without that> > vAirAgya or humilty will never seep in.Even people who do service under> > authetic Gurus themselves do not get all these virtuous qualities in proper> > measure, then what to say of people who do not even try to obtain a proper> > Guru?> >> > Sad-gurus exist in all times,even 100 years from now when maybe even India> > will might become ultramodern, Sadgurus might still exist in some cozy> > confines of Himalayas or the hillranges down south.Just that it takes the> > Grace of Amba to get such Gurus.> >> > Reading Kavach or Sapthashathi parayana in translated version would not> > pose much problem maybe(unless niyamas are really lacking) but in> > samskruthA, we have to be careful with the uccharana and the swara and> > chandas.Also, what we claim as sapthashathi is a reduced version of the> > original and though some claim to have it, till now no one has been able to> > lay hands on the full text.> >> > Sharanaagathi to Ma is good but first sharanaagathi to one's preceptor is> > even more important.When one does not know to surrender before God in human> > form and does not know the quality of humility and surrender here,then how> > can Devi be prepared to appear before such a devotee and bless Him in flesh> > and blood?> >> > ----------> >> > For the devotion to evolve,and soul to progress one can read many other> > litanies and puranas in abundance,why go behind something which requires> > certain niyamas and yamas? It is like the child asking for a sweet meat> > which is forbidden and kept up the loft and first asked to eat the meal> > before it,and then after the meal is over, the child is given surely the> > sweetmeat.If sweet-meats are given before the mealtime,the child develops a> > case of bad digestion,a dislike for food,starts getting bored even with the> > sweetmeat and becomes malnourished!> >> > Puranas--one can read> > Sapthashati,sahasranama,etc need initiation and guidance of a Guru to read> > properly with> >> > 1. Energization(by Guru giving from his shakthi--shakthipatha) and purity> >> > and> >> > 2. Proper pronunciation and swarA.> >> > Else, we just live in paradise-land and ascribe everything which happens> > good in our life to such parayanas and everything bad to bad luck and become> > the butt-of-jokes for atheists who take the first chance to give their 2> > cents on everything.> >> > Being a senior upasaka you must lead youngsters like us sir.I know you are> > advanced and learned but lot of youngsters need guidance from you,sir.> > Please forgive me for any excess spoken!Just reiterated what my Guru had> > *thrown* in my ears longtime ago....> >> > Yours Yogically,> >> > Mythreya Sreeraam Bhallyjayappolle> >> >> > <%40>,> > gopal narayan gopalnarayan123@ wrote:> > >> > > jai gurudev> > >> > > om shivgoraksha> > >> > > i think reg guru and no guru :> > >> > > when we read srimad devi bhagwat puran,we find that> > > despoie not having any proper guru nor any initiation> > > by a human guru,utthapa,etc many devotee> > >> > > utathya son of devdutta gets does not get any initiation> > > from any guru still by grace of mother,he gets siddhi and> > > blessings of maa..> > >> > > most important,is that we must surrender to maa,as she> > > is the adi guru.> > >> > > yes guru is most important,but in today's world when> > > any real saadguurus r very difficult to find and due to> > > lack of time,people r unable to fully be immersed into> > > sadhana best is sharanagati to maa and being> > > devoted to her.> > >> > > i have seen many cases where even by read shlokas> > > translation in hindi and also sridurga kavach in hindi> > > many people have got very good benefit.> > >> > > yes guru is imp,but if we cant find guru,devotion to> > > maa,and accepting her as our divine adiguru,and> > > reading mother charitra in sri durga saptashati srimad> > > devi bhagwat puran etc even in hindi or english is> > > very blissful punyadayak and gives divine blessings> > > of maa.> > >> > > main thing is sharangati to maa,and devotion to maa.> > >> > > guru may or may not guide properly but mata is never kumata> > > so she will never mislead.even just reading in any language> > > we r comfortable in is very good.> > >> > > over time as the soul evoles surely by maa's grace we> > > will get a saadguru.> > >> > > till then we can always start as a first step by being> > > devoted and read the avrious charitras etc,so that> > > our evolution is speeded up.> > >> > >> > > om shakti> > >> > > gopal> > >> > >> > >> > > om shakti> > >> > > gopal> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> > >> > > TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND> > > ALL THAT EXISTS> > > IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI> > > MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI> > > SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> > TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL> THAT EXISTS> IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI> MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI> SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER>

December 24, 2009

jai gurudev

om shivgoraksha

dear sir,

thank is exactly what i am saying.

for soul to start evolving one shud start reading the various good books,in hindi

or local language,like sridurga kavach,sri durga saptashati,tripura rahasyam,

srimad devi bhagwat etc.

reading proepr translation of srilalita sahastranama is also very divine.

even simply reading 4th adhyay of sridurga saptashati in

hindi or local language etc has profound effect.

reading the leela and charitra will uplift soul,to eventually let guru guide us.

ready sridevi geeta,videha geeta etc even in hindi or local language etc,is very spiritually

uplifting.

to know the truth that we r part of her divinity itself is jeevan mukti.

mother is adi guru.

she leads us to human guru who leads us back to adi guru.

there is no arguement on this.

let us start doing reading in any language we r comfortable

and know more by reading the charitras,and in time surely

guru will guide us more.

nither u r younger nor i am older,we r all just humble

children of maa shakti.

reg politics,u already know the situation,no i need not

repeat anything again.

i am gujarati,and we have faced the worst onslaught of islamic

jihad,even worst than what north indians faced,u already know that

muhamed ghazni destroyed lord somnath temple 18 times,

and there r so many atrocities on us,that for a gujarati

it is impossible to forget.that is why in general gujarati

people r more " political " abt dharma.bcoz without

politican support we may loose out on all counts

and u know very well what i mean to say.

money from lord tirupati balaji temple is used to

give loans and subsidies to xtian and muslim

churches and madrassas,and samuel reddy actually

tried to grab land in the 7 hills to set up churches.

i am not trying to politicize anything but it is necessary for us

to help each other and all others,i am not saying we shud start

giving mantra deeksha,but we have to help all,to read charitra etc

in local languages,so things can move faster and dharma is protected.

maybe u disagree,but then agreeing and disagreeing is also

ok,everyone does not think alike.

and to that effect we here try best to distribute books etc

to all,for the knowledge to spread.

if u feel hurt by anything i say,i sincerely apologise.