Sandeep's Queries answered

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Dear Sandeep,

 

Have a look at the comments to your queries in purple font.I have some time today but not on Saturday so am posting today itself the query for this week.So, this week,I would not stick to my Saturday rule.

 

Your queries might be the questions in the minds of many and those who are shy to ask,so in the guise of answering your query,I try to quell their doubts too.So, please do not take it personally, as it is also meant for the 'hidden reader' whose doubts are also being clarified.

 

Thankyou for raising these doubts and giving me an opportunity to share what I know and help you out.

 

Mythreya Sreeraam Bhallyjayappalle

 

 

 

Dear Sreeraam Anna,

1) I heard that if we cannot find correct guru then we can write the particular mantra/stotra in front of Adi guru shiva or dattatreya and start doing mantra anushtana.is this correct for kamya prayoga like getting relief from graha piida.Also can this be done for ishta devta upasana?Also in mantra upasana there's no need to actually have bhakti towards devta,but enough if we chant it properly,follow niyamas for mantra anushtana from competant guru.is this correct?

 

Comment:

 

This is not a correct approach.

This just shows a desperation to start doing mantras and nothing else.

It also shows a lack of guru-bhakthi,abhorrence of the guru idea and also some egoism on the part of people who have adviced you to do the same.

 

There was one Jazz African American Musician by name Charlie Parker(who started the Bebop Music trend) who said once:

 

 

 

"First master the instrument,then master the music then forget the both the shits and then just play."

 

This is sane advice and equally applicable to mantra-sAdhana as well albeit with a small modification.

 

Mantra sAdhana is just like music but for playing the music properly you need the 'instrument' called "Guru".

 

So, first the 'Instrument is to be Mastered', in other words a proper Guru is to searched from the depths of one's hearts and souls.

 

Normally a search is construed as something which takes place externally but then a spiritual search always begins from the outside and goes inside.

 

Truly, you dont need all the garbage which they sell as self-help books,everything is within you.So, if you sit and look internally with a deep Tapana(inner-fire:Incidentally the word tapas, comes etymologically from the root-word 'tapana'),then you would hit the light at the end of the tunnel,rather, the light comes seeking you!

 

ambA would then guide you to a guru to reach Her..You need a Guru to reach ambA or for that matter any deity,this is a cardinal rule and there is no change and unless you experience this yourself, you will not know why this 'rule' was in place.

 

The feeling must be really intense,else you would end up with fakesters as per your karmA and vAsanAs.mayA is everywhere and in everything.mAyA does not differentiate between spirituality or materiality and thus caution is required.But how cautious can you be? So, leave this vain intellectualization and start searching deeply within,cry from your soul and heart and not your mind.

 

Mind's cry releases tensions

Heart's cry releases pain

Soul's cry releases yourself !

 

This is the way to approach divinity verily and no other mArgA really exists.

 

If scribing a few letters on a piece of paper and adopting a guru like ekalavyA is an easy way out, there are strings and perils attached to it.

 

Even in the case of ekalavyA which many self-styled people quote,they fail to cognize deeper spiritual issues as to what birth did ekalavyA have in his earlier janmAs to give rise to a quality archer,he could have kept an idol or representation of Lord Rama or some other deity who is versed in Archery (and maybe even wrote on a piece of paper a mantrA or two to substantiate his archery practice apart from gaining substantive inspiration),why did he choose drOnAchAryA, a mere 'human guru'?

 

Living Guru is best.Many lie in samAdhis,many in purAnAs, but it is a living Guru who would inspire you and act as a living example to you.

 

If this approach can be adopted,then why did the Munis and Rishis of yore,go behind Gurus,was there not an easy way out? They could have scribed the mantras onto some palm leaf and then "gotten" the mantras and gained sudeha-mOkshA then and there.

 

No wonder squat happens in kaliyuga with such attitudes!

 

And,Mind you, this has nothing to do with shashtraic knowledge or mantrical knowledge or the lack of it.

 

It is pure commonsense(rather divine sense) and developing a sense of humility.

(Please read my past postings in this group on mantra sadhanas and other doubts people have raised.I have tackled many possible doubts raised many times over by many many people.I'm still learning and dont claim any scholarship or 'Guru-dom' but then you too can learn from what I have answered in my past postings.)

 

And yes, without devotion for deity, the results of chanting the mantra will not flow properly and even if it does flow, it is because of Poorvajanma punyas and nothing much.

 

Logical consideration: Without devotion to the deity, will that deity do something about the grahAs or atleast do it faster? It is like saying to Lord Ganesha, "Look here Mr.Ganesh, I really dont care a fig about you,just that some loser pundit/astrologer sitting under a banyan tree who looked at my nonsensical horoscope just asked me to chant your mantras for kethu period,that I'm doing this shit...so just bless me fast...OK UNDERSTAND Mr.GANAPATHYJI,ELSE I LOSE MY FAITH IN YOU,OK? OK? OK??"

 

What do you achieve by such a stance?

Are you trying to pressurize Ganapathyji?

Do you have the component of faith and more importantly shraddhA?

(Please read my eariler postings on shraddhA and shraddhAsUkthA)

Is faith or the lack of it,based on results? If a person loves a girl truly, and then suddenly,one day, something terrible happens to the girl,someone throws acid on her face and her face becomes a mangled mass despite multiple-plastic surgeries,would the true lover kiss his beloved on her face or say, "Oops sorry, your face is disfigured and so let me go behind someone else.Bye Babe!"

(If he says the later(like some do), do you feel his love is real which transcends her body and face?)

 

Dont you feel faith is nothing but Love+Concentration on the sAdhana+Patience+Abscence of expectations?

 

If you are 'Mr.GANAPATHYJI' how would you feel?

Would you as Lord Ganesha, satisfy the mantraupasaka fast appreciating his abuses and desperation or wait patiently eating your Modakas and giving him test after test, tribulation after tribulation for such attitudes?

Why do you think some people enter into troubles after doing some mantrOpAsana?

What is the deal here? Do they recite the mantrAs properly or with faith/love or for results to fructify fast without love for the deity just for grahA appeasement?Even if one is an upAsakA of one particular deity, dont you think, the same person can pray to another deity with the full faith and same love and see the upAsanadevathA in this deity also?

 

The other day I was reading some post in one astrological forum.One guy lamented that he had a substantial loss in share-market and that he had done possibily every remedy to offset that and yet his financial position was in doldrums and then he explained what he had done: 'Done lots of rudra-namaka-chamakam through priests,navagraha homas through priests,etc.'

 

I came to realize that not even one was done by him personally.karmAs are for him not for the priests.Pariharas are like medicine,when you are sick you pop in a pill and expect a cure, you dont make your mom or wife pop in the pill and expect a cure!Priests work for money.Maybe some chants,chanted by them do give salubrious effects but the motive is money.Also,he had given his birth details and when I cast the horoscope, the problem was with his Athma-kArakA,rAhu which was on a precarious axis in his horoscope.Thus, the problem is at an Athmic-level and needed only him to do all the remedies,no wonder, nothing happened!

 

And he goes there arrogantly and abuses/accuses one good astrologer in the forum,doing some free service,who adviced him the remedial measure.This is precisely why I dont look into horoscopes of rank outsiders much.

 

But the point here is that grahAs are there as an indicator of your past birth karmAs and vAsanas and also present birth/future birth indicator.They want you to 'behave' and this is akin to saying to them, "Look here, Im doing some parihAra mArga which was adviced by some good-for-nothing astrologer,Im angry at my horoscope, what are you all doing sitting in my bad-houses and troubling me.So better vacate this house and get going,give me some luck!" You betcha whats gonna happen next! 'grahAni peedayanthI grAhayithwA'(grahAs make you suffer all the more by clutching you even tighter')

 

I have to use rhetoric and strong language to drive home rather than quoting some lenghty scripture and eliciting a deep,...well..., Yaaaawn from you!.

(Entreaty:Substance over style is to be seen here)

 

Summing up, this(mantra-shAstrA) is not some scientific study alone.1+1=2;2+2=4;etc...

It involves your heart and soul more than your head.

 

Yeah, we need our head initially and also to safegaurd us on the path from the vagaries and illogicalities of our past birth vAsanAs but then the merited need ends there.

 

 

 

 

2) Do you know about Pakalpati guruvugaru who lived in 70's and attained siddhi in 1974.You can know abt him more in ekkirala bharadwaja(great devotee of sirdi sai) website.he was a gayatri mantra siddha ,jnani though he lived like a normal human being and stayed in agency areas of vizag(chintapalli forest).

 

 

 

{Pakalapati Guruvugaru(for those who do not know Him)His samAdhi lies in Balighattam(Bheemasingi)}

 

Comment:

I have read about him and do know about him and other Gurus too(I run a group on Dattatreya for some years and our family deity is Datta and have been associated with an aghorI in anakapalli from childhood,my very birth being His Bhiksha,so definitely I must be knowing something about Dattatreya and avadhuthAs,isn't it?)

 

However,I did not have any personal interaction with him either physically(not possible because He entered into samAdhi in 1974ish and I was born much later) nor etherically because I have not meditated upon Him or called Him intensely.

 

 

 

Regarding upadesha of mantras,especially gayatri he said "people in this present era do not follow basic dharma and due to lack of sattwa mantras r not giving fruitful results,even if some r gettng it is due to their evolved sattwa guna and previous good karma that brings them results,as many do not know what bijam,keelakam,shakti mean for a particular mantra but just start chanting them by saying "this is bijam,this is kelakam etc" and also most do not get initiated from the person who has attained siddhi in that mantra,hence no expected results would accrue.

 

Comment:

 

Ofcourse,He is right.I have been stressing this in many of my postings, if you carefully notice.

 

I take the first opportunity to find a mistake or a "weed in the spiritual garden"(as I put it),not that Im perfect, but that I find it jarring to find certain practices being done as mantra-sAdhana or passable as practical spirituality.I just act as a gardener here, trying to keep the 'garden clean'.

 

niyamAs help in giving the necessary sathwa gunA..Not all are born with sathwA.

 

If a person eats three times daily a heavy meat diet,drinks in the night,indulges in sex or watching porno, what sathwA can one expect in him/her?

And naturally if his/her poorvapunya is really good(denoted by the 5th house primarily in his/her radix chart) then even if he/she does something,something can fructify but then he/she would be eroding his/her bank of merits and punyA by engaging himself/herself in constant a-sAthwic acts.

 

 

 

Yes, the knowledge of beejam,the seed mantrA for a bigger mantra/chant and what it does and what is application is,must be got from one's preceptor.

 

KeelakagnAna(meaning the knowledge of the 'pillar' of the mantrA) too must be got from one's guru.The Kilaka is at first, the driving force, the persistence and will power that the discipline needs to pursue the Mantra. But when the power of the Mantra begins to take on a self generating "flywheel motion", the Kilaka becomes a very fine thread joining the discipline to the mantra, to the power of the mantra, to the Guru and to the deity, until all are manifest as one.

 

Now, here, my gurunAtha did not teach me the above two,say for lalithA sahasranAma but then when I applied his gurumantrA and started praying to ambA for revelation,I was revealed through a series of experiences,which was later confirmed by Him and approved.One must know the finer nuances of kundalini kriyas visavis srIvidhyA and the retention of prAnA for this kIlakagnAna to manifest verily.

 

So again, all this is not possible without guru either directly or indirectly.

 

But these are for advanced upAsakAs.We talk of Phds when even Basic School education is not present.It is like saying,"The Phd system in this School is not alright, so dont bother to even study High School!"

(Phd aspects:

'Rishi' or The Seer-knowledge and the nyAsAs related to the mantradrashtA or the rishi)

 

'Chandas' or The Mantrical metric form(This is not exactly Phd-knowledge,this must be known by all who practice the mantrA or a mantriacal litany like lalithA-sahasranAma)

'Devata' or The Presiding Deity and how to invoke the power of the mantra-devathA for faster results

'Beeja' or The Seed Sound--The nyAsAs related to it and the power/knowledge to channelize in the nAdis properly

'Shakti' or The Power --mantrashakthi and its uses

'Kilaka' or The Pillar mantra-keelaka(this should not be confused with kilanam)

 

 

 

Hey! But wait, lot of people want to do High-School,want to finish Undergraduate and Graduate courses!

 

They would later stumble upon some good Phd program in some other School.

We tend to go so many steps into future instead of being totally involved in the current reality, in the Now.

 

Most even don't know how to chant a litany or mantrA properly and we talk of beejAs and keelakams!

 

So, the Babas are there and some talk really advanced and they are categorized as athivarna-avadhUthAs and one such athivarna-avadhUtha is this pAkalapati Guruvugaru.

 

Let me confuse you further:

 

Some say even the gayathri we do is not the original one!

What do you have to say for this?

Would you then leave gAyathri mantrOpAsana abruptly?

'Bid the disfigured babe a Good-Bye' or 'Kiss the face of your disfigured beloved' as 'metaphored' by me earlier?

So maybe there is no original mantras(extending the supra-same logic)

 

Dont get confused merely reading books.

Books are there to help but they should not become our crutches.

You depend on anything or anyone in life then you grow weak.

The only exception being dependence on an authentic Guru, who would ultimately teach you to become independent.

 

Experience is sine-qua-non and the ultimate judge in all this.

 

I admit,pUrvajanmA sukruthA must be there.

(My own case:I would not have visited smashAnas at a very early age or talk all this 'talk' at such a young age,even now unless some pUrvajanma sukruthA is there.Besides,I dont meet anyone and carry on with my mundane life too as I have some karmAs too to fulfill.)

 

Many get an experience or two and get excited.

Some even see Devi, but really it means nothing in this kaliyugA.

Many think they have become great yOgis when they have had a darshan of devi or a few assorted spiritual experiences.Truly, it means nothing! One has to get up and get going.

Else, you are stuck in what I call an "experience stagnation''.Everything that pulls you down and distracts is a "stagnation"

 

One must try for trikarana-shuddhi{cleanliness at 3 levels of existence:Body,Ego(mind),Desires(Speech thereof)} to really enable bliss to envelope and understand subtle spiritual concepts easily.

 

Trikarana shuddhi means harmony of thought,word and deed.Niyamas are to this end and effect.

 

One Saint says thus beautifully quoting Mahabharatha as an example:

 

"I shall relate to you an example from the Mahabharata to

 

illustrate this. Dharmaraja, the eldest brother of the Pandavas,

was an embodiment of sathya, dharma, santhi, prema, and

ahimsa. Draupadi, born out of fire, represented prana. Bhima,

the son of the wind God, symbolized chaitanya shakti (power

of awareness). You know that life without awareness is jada

(inert). Arjuna symbolized the antahkarna shakti (power of the

inner motivator). Nakula and Sahadeva represented the

jnanendriyas (organs of perception) and karmendriyas (organs

of action), respectively.

 

Truth, righteousness, peace, and love join the senses of action

and cognition, enter the antahkarna (seat of thought and

feeling) with the help of life force called vibration and live

there. So, Divinity, which exists in every individual, is associated

with the five cognitive senses: sound, touch, vision, taste,

and smell. To recognize the nature of this truth, man should

first attain the unity of thought, word, and deed and bring

about complete harmony in them. This is the real spiritual

practice.

 

Today, the typical individual thinks something, speaks

something else, and acts in altogether a different way.

“Manasyanyath vachasyanyath karmanyanyath duratmanam.â€

Such a manner of functioning is typical of a wicked person.

Arjuna was the epitome of trikarana suddhi (purity of the

triad thought, word, and deed). Nakula and Sahadeva, who

symbolized the senses of cognition and action, provided the

right sources. Bhima, the son of the wind God, stood by the

side of Dharmaraja. His presence was as vital as the presence

of oxygen in the environment. Draupadi symbolized life force.

Only with the help of this life force could Dharmaraja foster

truth, righteousness, peace, and love.. The Pandavas thus represent

the proper use of all the powers in the body in purity and

harmony."

 

First, it is one thing if someone has done for years some upasana and feels frustrated for the lack of result...but it is entirely different if the person not even trying it, talks a lot about it and yet he wants to know the final result beforehand!

 

One can dare to fail but not fail to dare!

 

Spirituality is not mere intellectualization,it involves something more,something beyond, that of the spirit.

 

Second,gAyathri mantra has apart from beejagnAna and keelakagnAna shApavimochana mantrAni,utkILana mantras and these must be got from a Guru for full results.

This must then be done with proper mudras.

 

 

 

So, if doing a mantrA is going in the first gear on a motorbike,then each additonal component would be akin to adding additional gears.However, to change gears in a bike you need to press the clutch(you use the word "clutch" because you "clutch" it hard and then release it gently)

 

This "clutch" is a higher Guru,one who initiated you into further nuances.

Thus even guru-shishyA relationship takes newer dimensions,higher velocities.

 

 

Anek Guru Anek vichaar(Many Teachers,many thoughts),they say in Hindi....so everyone will have his own or her own opinion on things.Do not get confused reading varied books.The fault does not lie with them,obviously! They are avadhuthAs,avatars,saints and yOgis.The fault lies in our understanding of what they say.

 

 

 

(Thyagayya Garu..."endharO mahanubhAvulu andariki naa vandanamulu ani cheppiri kaani, endharO mahAnubhAvulu andhariki nenu ankithamU ani cheppaledhu.Endhukante' ayinaki okka guru undiri, Aa okka guruvuki Ayina ankithamu.

ayina kUdA(thyagayyagarukooda) rAmatAraka mantramu kotlAdhikoddhi chesiri kanuka, ee kaliyugamulOne' ramundu sAkshAthkarinichiri!

"tAraka mantramu kOrina dorikenu dhanyuDanaiti ni vOranna..",ani theeyagaa pAdiri, kaani---> "tArakanAmamu idhi... tArakamantramu kaadhu.... endhuchetanante' dheenitilo beejAlu,nyAsalu,keelaka gnAnamulu nAku dakkaledhu inthe' naaku dorikini..." ani picchi prelaapana leka kutarkavaadhamu Ayinagaru cheyyaledhu,sumA!)

 

Finally, you have to see which philosophy vibes with you at an Athmic level and then follow that alone without getting confused.

 

Clarity is a priceless virtue in spirituality.

And sustained Clarity is almost a Herculean task..

If someone claims perfect clarity on things, either He is a 'distilled' idiot or a perfect gnAni who has surpassed commonplace understanding and has undergone an inner-alchemical process to fruition..

 

However, it is wrong to say that one who does not get initiation into shapavimochana and other preceding rituals will not have results fructified...I have known personally many people who have chanted gayathri mantra without all this,except a proper initiation of the mantra from a saintly person and went ahead and got fantastic results purely by sustained efforts and bhakthi-bhAva.

 

 

See this avadhUtha-digambara-yOgini called Chivatam Amma(Tanuku,West Godavari District), She was recluse and used to stress in Her own inimical way the importance of guru and the need for guru.

 

Srividhya marga being even higher than gayathri mantra would most definitely need initiation.

 

He also says that simply chanting mantra without nyasam ,knowing its bejam other mantra-anga(if im not wrong) would be same as nama japa.

 

No, this stated view(by you not the avadhutha),is not entirely accepted by my Gurunathar.

 

Pakalapati Guruvugaru referred to something else and the message most subtly was meant for one particular person.(Often when saints or holy people say something, it should not be taken on an objective level.Everything msut be seen with a subjective understanding.God is but subjective and personal)

 

When a mantra is given, normally the nyasa and dhyana is given too and so there is nothing like a free-lying mantra bereft of basic angAs.This question does not arise when initiated in a susAmpradAya,especially avicchinna-sAmpradAyAs(unbroken lineages).

 

One must go beyond mere reading books and coming to hasty conclusions.If you are really enthusiastic,then you must research on Pakalapati Guruvugaru and know more about Him and follow His advices to the dot.Read His history completely(not just one chapter from Ekkirala Bharadwaja Garu's book), visit His samAdhi,understand and follow His teaching,etc.

 

If you are prepared to do all this, then you are on safe ground.Then clarity would proceed forth from within.

 

rAkhAdi Baba

 

 

Shirdi Sai Baba

 

 

Chirala Swami

 

(Above is just a small-sample of avadhUtha gurus and all of them had human-gurus though many never revealed it to people.Also, they used to confuse people when beset with questions about their gurus..For example, Baba used to say Venkusa was His Guru and confuse people,when in reality He had another secret Guru.Now, don't ask me who His secret Guru was!)

 

Ultimately, all devotees of different Gurus drink from the same cup of divinity.But then changing horses in the midst of streams, is not advicable in spirituality.

 

 

In nama japa there is "aarti",devotion which brings abt grace of devata whereas for mantra its pros cons,utilities,niyamas r required to be known by sadhaka from siddha guru(who attained siddhi of mantra)"

 

Why? Even in mantra japa there can be super-devotion..INFACT, there would be a hieghtened awareness of the self and a higher form of devotion in mantra-sAdhana and this does not involve benumbing the mind with mantrAs and nothing else....who says mantra japa is be devoid of devotion? You are preparing a case against mantras.

 

This conclusion again is a product of a hasty-mind.

Im reminded of one story here:

There was an old lady who read that prayers move mountains.In her backyard there was one mountain covering a lane.So, she sat down and closed intensenly and prayed."Let the mountain move,Let the mountain move,Let the mountain move...By God's Blessings, let the mountain move so that I can see the lane..."

She prayed for 1 hour like this and then opened her eyes.

What did she see? The mountain was exactly where it was.

She smiled and said, "I was cocksure that this mountain would not move"

That means her prayer came with a deep conviction that even prayers cannot work.

 

This is how most of us pray.It is not in the spirit of prayer.

 

Tommorow, even nAma-japA and "Arathi" would not satisfy your mind,which keeps hopping from concept to concept.

 

There are rules and if the rules are followed the results accrue faster than mere "Aarathi or bhajan", most of the time people are not Bhaktha-Meeras to do bhajan in the most intense manner.And Bhaktha-Meera Herself was initiated into a mantrA and used to perform austerities on a day to day basis for Her mantra upAsana.

 

In the Bike metaphor I gave you earlier, unless the clutch is released at a certain pace,the change in gears will not be smooth,else, there would be a big jerk sometimes even over-throwing a greenhorn-rider or atleast locking the gears and making the bike come to a sudden-standstill.(Many people encounter this when they start learning how to drive a motorbike)

 

If rules exist for something very mundane like driving a bike, then for sAdhana which involves shabda-brAhman and your inner-self, dont you think even more care,caution and attention is needed?

 

What is the harm in adhering to such rules and enjoying the pleasure of "driving the bike", or maybe you want to walk to the destination...its all upto you.(Dont get emotional about the metaphors/analogies I give you and endup saying, "I prefer a beautiful and slow walk to a fast-paced bike".There is always a danger in analogies/metaphors in that they should not be taken literally to the 'end-of-it' and stretch it beyond its intended-use!)

 

 

 

Many do bhajans and aarathi, just for peace of mind or a small connection with God.

Many who attend satsanghs waste their time oglign some buxom person and there is also competition there as to who sings the loudest or the most beautiful *whatever*....Just some romanticism exists in bhakthi maarga among current people to relieve some pent-up tensions, without understanding the inner significance or the bhakthi component in a true sense.If you want to seriously then you may sit at home,alone and do bhajan and aarthi and negate a need for mantras or initiations.But do the bhakthi-sAdhana intensely only then automatically the "Bike trips from first gear to second gear"

 

Many think mantrapath and bhakthi path are different.This is the height of foolishness,really! Both are sAdhana-mArgas involving shabda-brahmana and the former has more potency to achieve results faster. 3) So,in present times we do not know who actuallly have mantra siddi or not,what shld we do?

 

Search and you will get your answers, Test the person, if need be behave AGGRESSIVELY.I have been kicked out of so called ashrams for 'misbehaving' with the Gurus(frauds) and questioning them.

 

However, basically, we must know that more than all these tests,when the time is really ripe, the guru will come searching.

 

Each time I used to sit before ambA (before my real initiation into srividhyA), I used to just take her name most intensely in my heart sometimes 17 hours at a stretch sitting in lotus position on a deer mat(gifted to me by one person in Thiruvannamalai).Then after long and arduous hours, something clicked.Slowly one thing led to the other and I got my gurunAthar.Some have even left my gurunAthar out of disillusionment, stating, "Oh I thought after initiation from Him, Im gonna see ambA but nothing happened"(Nothing will happen to such people, except elapse of time,growing old,producing children and finally dying!)

 

Some say, "Whats the big fuss about this small temple?"(Yeah, right, please do go to a big temple like Tirupathy and get initiated from a big person like the Chief Priest or the Executive Officer there, as their sizes and status(es) are really big and the temple too is cash-rich! Or maybe you can try Vatican too! And yeah, Lord Vishnu(or Jesus) would come down from vAikuntA, running to see the devotee just that he got the initiation from a big temple and a big shot!)

 

However, all belief must sprout from you...so test all and sundry...dont worry you wont get hurt because 1/1000000 gurus are Charlatans of the first order!! Hahaha!

So, maybe you are doing something good by kicking their Hmm,lets use some decent language here....Posteriors!!

 

But I would advice a better mArgA than writing on a chit of paper a mantra,placing before some "Adiguru" and starting your upAsana.

 

You can search and pray really hard to amba,take her name and nothing else, to show the way and you will get a guru.You are your own salvation,really!

 

Im not going to spoonfeed you here.

 

 

 

Do you see the moon between the two lovely branches?...

 

Im employing what is called "Indu-shAka Nyaya" type of classical teaching.You want to know what "Indu" or Moon is and you don't obviously know the Moon.The teacher then says,"You know the tree right? Aha, there is a tree, do you see that the tree has 2 branches, aha! can you see the big big branches, aha! now look at the Ixoria flowers dangling there in the dark, Aha! Now, look between the branches(shAkA means branches)....what do you see?"

 

And when the student sees between the branches in the night, He sees the Moon!

There is a sudden-enlightenment...a satori happens to the koan of life...

 

There is also the adhyarUpa apavAdha nyAya which Im using.You say something--adhyarUpa,then you negate it--apavAdha.By sayign something and then negating it,you no more catch the words but the essence.

 

The essence of the word is not the word,because the word is not the thing(but obviously).People hang to words as if they mean everything!

The description is not the described.

 

 

 

The word "water" is not water.

The word is an indicator indicating the indicated,which is other than the indicated.

I hope I have confused you enough.

Now, search for clarity from inside!

 

Deep inside you want to see gimmicks,unfortunately neither am I nor my Guru party to such gimmicks or miracle-shows.You may go to some vibhuthi-manifesting Baba or article-presenting-slieght-of-hand-artiste for the same and satisfy yourself.

 

You are starting with an assumption that there are no real Gurus and no authentic mantrOpAsana.This is a coloured glass and everything would appear coloured but naturally!

 

There are a 10000000 frauds(or maybe more), I know that...but there are a few real upasakas too...find them out not merely from books(most are just propoganda material...maybe even this webgroup by me seems a propoganda thing,who knows!...so dont take my word for anything...search,test,go about,scratch everything or better still dig deep,do whatever... but find out the real guru for yourself, your real path...then you will know!)

 

 

 

AvadhUtha venkkayya...try going to Him and saying

"There are no real Gurus nor are there real mantrA initiations possible"

 

(Btw,He graced me with His Blissful darshan in 1995 in Vizag when I was staying in my atthayya's house in MVP Colony)

 

 

 

 

In that case many have to stop doing even sandhya vandana as most of gayatri upadeshas being given now in thread ceremonies r not given by mantra siddhas and i think gayatri mantra will work as gayatri nama japa only.

 

 

Logic is a good weapon but only to hit at evil not at oneself.

Here with the weapon of logic you hit at yourself and no one is going to get hurt by it except yourself.

 

 

 

With an erroneous presumption, you come to an erroneous argument and an erroneous substantive argument and then make an erroneous conclusion.This is called the fallacy of presumptive error in tarka-shAstrA(Study Logic)

 

Your Stance:

True Gurus are not possible(Presumptive error)

Thus, true initiations into mantrAs are not possible(Erroneous argument)

There are lot of nuances like keelaka,beeja,etc which need to be known,which are but tiresome(Erroneous substantive argument)

So let us stop sandhyAvandana and other mantra sAdhanAs,after all even gayathri mantra is being done wrongly by all of us.--(Erroneous Conclusion)

(kUpasthamAduka-vichArana--frog in the well mindset.The well here being a false logical trap).

 

Oft-times, an erroneous presumptive assumption is preceded by a wrong understanding of a saint or his words or a scripture(erroneous prequisite).

 

Yathbhaavam that bhavathy...As your thought and belief,so the result.

 

I would keep mum here...

Success is a self-project it has to come from within and I can only help so much....

I too am of your age and am student too and prefer to be one for life.So, as a wayfarer I try to help you out.I do not want to stand on pulpits and sermonize.

 

 

 

Please enlighten me on this as i do not know anything abt mantra shastra,but just wrote based on that siddhas words.

 

If you have carefully read my comments above, do you think I have quoted any mantra shashtra,niyama anushtana,etc?

 

So, do you think mantra-shAshtra is a prerequisite to learn things about divinity?

Is it a shAstravethha who has an aparOkshAnubhUthi? or a simple practitioner of a humble devotee dedicated to the Lotus feet of his Master?

 

Base everything from your inner athmic self...

not on my words

not on books or

not on mantra shashtras

not on your friends

not on some XYZ who has written a few books and claims greatness.

 

Yes, the XYZ can be a real siddha, but unless you have an experience of it would mean nothing nor matter much.

 

 

Valentino Rossi

 

If you see Rossi, riding a bike,would it give you a greater kick than you yourself riding a racing bike? Maybe Valentino Rossi riding a bike super-fast might provide a thrill but the thrill would be obviously greater if the same bike was driven by you.

 

(Hmm, Im a bike enthusiast and so have just quoted some metaphors using bike-riding.

And yeah,I dont engage myself like Robert Prisig in Motorcycle maintenance,I ride bikes! Aye-Aye to that!)

 

 

 

 

And doing a sAdhana and getting results is tougher than riding a Formula-bike--->Touchwood!

 

 

 

 

Blessings and Benedictions,

Mythreya Sreeraam Bhallyjayappalle

 

 

 

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