sentimentality is one thing, but crying like a little baby???...

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Alright! Alright! I won't use that mantra! For God's

flippin' sake buddy, I just read the mantra in a book

and I thought it kicked ass because the mantra

pertained to a form of Maa of which She comes and

visits me in (during my dream state)!!!! If I knew it

was so precious I wouldn't have used it! I ask you

then, why do tantrics write books in friggin' english

and sell them at local mainstream bookstores?

This is ONE reason why I am upset at the writers and

publishers of these manuals: If it is SOOO sacred and

all that jazz then don't put the mantra in print!!!

 

If I offended anybody...actually, no, I intended to be

a prick!

Prevent lame-o's like me from swinging these mantras

around in the air and don't make english books with

these " holier than thou shalt speaketh " mantras in

them! For Christ's sake!

Look, buddy, all I know is that I love Maa. And I feel

Her love for me. I thought I could fit into these

little chat groups...but it seems that formality

overtakes the position of bhakti. If my Maa can allow

two towers to be bombed, women to be pimped, beaten,

and raped...and people to point there fingers and say

it's bad...then I'm sure She'll excuse little

miniscule me from using Her mantra like it were a song

title from a top-forty's music chart. THAT'S JUST HOW

I FEEL!

 

Oh well, if I be a rotten apple than let me writhe

with worms, maggots and bugs-and me being the

apple-BITE ME!

 

Love always and forever,

Your Saiva Siddhantin that chooses to never fit in;

Shyam.

 

 

____

Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings..ca

[Guest guest]

Mantras are by tradition secret, but there is the story of Ramanuja who was told that the Vaishnavashtakshari Mantra is secret and if given to any one without Guru's permission will go to Hell. So Ramanuja went to the market and gave it to all.

When asked why he said all those who heard will go to heaven so he does not mind going to hell.

 

 

 

-

Shyam Wazir

Monday, December 31, 2001 1:49 AM

sentimentality is one thing, but crying like a little baby???...

Namaste,Alright! Alright! I won't use that mantra! For God'sflippin' sake buddy, I just read the mantra in a bookand I thought it kicked ass because the mantrapertained to a form of Maa of which She comes andvisits me in (during my dream state)!!!! If I knew itwas so precious I wouldn't have used it! I ask youthen, why do tantrics write books in friggin' englishand sell them at local mainstream bookstores? This is ONE reason why I am upset at the writers andpublishers of these manuals: If it is SOOO sacred andall that jazz then don't put the mantra in print!!!If I offended anybody...actually, no, I intended to bea prick!Prevent lame-o's like me from swinging these mantrasaround in the air and don't make english books withthese "holier than thou shalt speaketh" mantras inthem! For Christ's sake!Look, buddy, all I know is that I love Maa. And I feelHer love for me. I thought I could fit into theselittle chat groups...but it seems that formalityovertakes the position of bhakti. If my Maa can allowtwo towers to be bombed, women to be pimped, beaten,and raped...and people to point there fingers and sayit's bad...then I'm sure She'll excuse littleminiscule me from using Her mantra like it were a songtitle from a top-forty's music chart. THAT'S JUST HOWI FEEL!Oh well, if I be a rotten apple than let me writhewith worms, maggots and bugs-and me being theapple-BITE ME!Love always and forever, Your Saiva Siddhantin that chooses to never fit in;Shyam. ____ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings..ca

[Guest guest]

Namaste all!

 

I think that since Devi pervades all, is within every part of prakriti, as she is prakriti

herself, that there is no harm in giving her mantra, to those who are sincerely devoted

to her. The only danger was those who may misuse her mantras, those of asuric

temperments.

 

The Goddess herself is speech (Vak) in the Vedas, our oldest texts, and as speech, she

pervades all levels of speech, even the sacred mantras. Does this mean that even saying

Devi's name is forbidden?

 

A mantra is a subtle form of the devata. Likewise, the yantra and murthi are physical

representatives of a mantra. Again, does this mean that by looking at an image of Devi,

that it is forbidden, as also with mantra?

 

Menonji has demonstrated the example of Ramanuja and sacred mantras. We also remember

the other great Vaishnava, Shri Chaitanya, who also chanted the so-called 'sacred mantra'

of Krishna (note sometimes seen as the male form of Lalitha-devo or her son), everywhere

and liberated many people.

 

But, I think it was made not so much 'forbidden' to speak such mantras, but rather in order

to keep purity of the mantra (as to pronounciation etc.), when received from Guru to disciple,

as it was a personal transaction, one was not so much to 'not teach' the mantra in public,

but only to those who were true bhaktas.

 

Gurudeva Sivaya Subramuniyaswami also said something along those lines, in one of

his lectures. www.gurudeva.org.

 

Let us all love Maa, in all her forms as mantra, yantra, murthi etc., for she pervades all!

-R

 

-

menon

Monday, December 31, 2001 5:40 PM

Re: sentimentality is one thing, but crying like a little baby???...

 

Mantras are by tradition secret, but there is the story of Ramanuja who was told that the Vaishnavashtakshari Mantra is secret and if given to any one without Guru's permission will go to Hell. So Ramanuja went to the market and gave it to all.

When asked why he said all those who heard will go to heaven so he does not mind going to hell.

 

 

 

-

Shyam Wazir

Monday, December 31, 2001 1:49 AM

sentimentality is one thing, but crying like a little baby???...

Namaste,Alright! Alright! I won't use that mantra! For God'sflippin' sake buddy, I just read the mantra in a bookand I thought it kicked ass because the mantrapertained to a form of Maa of which She comes andvisits me in (during my dream state)!!!! If I knew itwas so precious I wouldn't have used it! I ask youthen, why do tantrics write books in friggin' englishand sell them at local mainstream bookstores? This is ONE reason why I am upset at the writers andpublishers of these manuals: If it is SOOO sacred andall that jazz then don't put the mantra in print!!!If I offended anybody...actually, no, I intended to bea prick!Prevent lame-o's like me from swinging these mantrasaround in the air and don't make english books withthese "holier than thou shalt speaketh" mantras inthem! For Christ's sake!Look, buddy, all I know is that I love Maa. And I feelHer love for me. I thought I could fit into theselittle chat groups...but it seems that formalityovertakes the position of bhakti. If my Maa can allowtwo towers to be bombed, women to be pimped, beaten,and raped...and people to point there fingers and sayit's bad...then I'm sure She'll excuse littleminiscule me from using Her mantra like it were a songtitle from a top-forty's music chart. THAT'S JUST HOWI FEEL!Oh well, if I be a rotten apple than let me writhewith worms, maggots and bugs-and me being theapple-BITE ME!Love always and forever, Your Saiva Siddhantin that chooses to never fit in;Shyam. ____ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings..ca

[Guest guest]

yes indeed.

In Sri vidya Kaula sampradaya, Parasurama in his Kalpasootra says " Swa

Mathru Jaaravat Gopyathaa " and Rajyam Deyam, Shirodeyam, Na deyan

Shodashaakshari " . But as you said it is to maintain its purity. I am in the

process of creating a book based on Umananda Natha's Nityotsava in English

with a CD with all the mantras pronounced properly.

Menon

 

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Namaste all!

 

I think that since Devi pervades all, is within every part of prakriti, as

she is prakriti

herself, that there is no harm in giving her mantra, to those who are

sincerely devoted

to her. The only danger was those who may misuse her mantras, those of

asuric

temperments.

 

The Goddess herself is speech (Vak) in the Vedas, our oldest texts, and as

speech, she

pervades all levels of speech, even the sacred mantras. Does this mean that

even saying

Devi's name is forbidden?

 

A mantra is a subtle form of the devata. Likewise, the yantra and murthi are

physical

representatives of a mantra. Again, does this mean that by looking at an

image of Devi,

that it is forbidden, as also with mantra?

 

Menonji has demonstrated the example of Ramanuja and sacred mantras. We also

remember

the other great Vaishnava, Shri Chaitanya, who also chanted the so-called

'sacred mantra'

of Krishna (note sometimes seen as the male form of Lalitha-devo or her

son), everywhere

and liberated many people.

 

But, I think it was made not so much 'forbidden' to speak such mantras, but

rather in order

to keep purity of the mantra (as to pronounciation etc.), when received from

Guru to disciple,

as it was a personal transaction, one was not so much to 'not teach' the

mantra in public,

but only to those who were true bhaktas.

 

Gurudeva Sivaya Subramuniyaswami also said something along those lines, in

one of

his lectures. www.gurudeva.org.

 

Let us all love Maa, in all her forms as mantra, yantra, murthi etc., for

she pervades all!

-R

-

menon

Monday, December 31, 2001 5:40 PM

Re: sentimentality is one thing, but crying like

a little baby???...

 

 

Mantras are by tradition secret, but there is the story of Ramanuja who

was told that the Vaishnavashtakshari Mantra is secret and if given to any

one without Guru's permission will go to Hell. So Ramanuja went to the

market and gave it to all.

When asked why he said all those who heard will go to heaven so he does

not mind going to hell.

 

 

-

Shyam Wazir

Monday, December 31, 2001 1:49 AM

sentimentality is one thing, but crying like a

little baby???...

 

 

Namaste,

 

Alright! Alright! I won't use that mantra! For God's

flippin' sake buddy, I just read the mantra in a book

and I thought it kicked ass because the mantra

pertained to a form of Maa of which She comes and

visits me in (during my dream state)!!!! If I knew it

was so precious I wouldn't have used it! I ask you

then, why do tantrics write books in friggin' english

and sell them at local mainstream bookstores?

This is ONE reason why I am upset at the writers and

publishers of these manuals: If it is SOOO sacred and

all that jazz then don't put the mantra in print!!!

 

If I offended anybody...actually, no, I intended to be

a prick!

Prevent lame-o's like me from swinging these mantras

around in the air and don't make english books with

these " holier than thou shalt speaketh " mantras in

them! For Christ's sake!

Look, buddy, all I know is that I love Maa. And I feel

Her love for me. I thought I could fit into these

little chat groups...but it seems that formality

overtakes the position of bhakti. If my Maa can allow

two towers to be bombed, women to be pimped, beaten,

and raped...and people to point there fingers and say

it's bad...then I'm sure She'll excuse little

miniscule me from using Her mantra like it were a song

title from a top-forty's music chart. THAT'S JUST HOW

I FEEL!

 

Oh well, if I be a rotten apple than let me writhe

with worms, maggots and bugs-and me being the

apple-BITE ME!

 

Love always and forever,

Your Saiva Siddhantin that chooses to never fit in;

Shyam.

 

 

____

Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings..ca