Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Sree Mathre Namah Reaspected Mr.Menon, as you discussed about revered great Ramanuja i would like to state that the manthras, Siva Panchakshari ie., 'namasivaya', narayanashtakshari ie., 'om namo narayanaya', Saura Sapthakshari ie.,' bhaskaraya namah', vinayaka ashtakshari ie., 'ganapathaye namah' and chandi sapthakshari ie., 'om namaschandikayai' these manthras in Kali Yuga need no initiation and one can start on their own. these are moksha manthras and you dont need initiation for these mantras. inspite of this ruling, since Ramanujas guru has dictated not to make public about the mantra, Ramanuja did and ramanuja had suffered for this treason with stomach ache all his life. this is just a clarification regarding your counter statement that mantras are not to be publicised. allways at the feet of my guru Samvidananda -- On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:10:46 menon wrote: >Mantras are by tradition secret, but there is the story of Ramanuja who was told that the Vaishnavashtakshari Mantra is secret and if given to any one without Guru's permission will go to Hell. So Ramanuja went to the market and gave it to all. >When asked why he said all those who heard will go to heaven so he does not mind going to hell. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Respected sir: I was not taking the hard and fast rule that mantras should not be publicised at all. I was just mentioning the incident to show that under certain circumstances it is possible. In fact Sri. Vidya is one of the most secret mantras. Yet in Srividya Rathnakara, the author says that Devi had given him the boon to use the book as Guru. In fact the rules, in my humble opinion keep changing according to circumstances. In this age when the number of real tantrikas are declining the boon given in Sri Vidya Rathnakara is becoming useful for seekers. But my objection is limited to the wrong pronunciation of Mantras ( which occurs due to lack of face to face guidence) as then the results can be negative. Then lack of knowledge of what the Mantras mean, resulting in non attainment of the results. I am sure some of you must have heard the story of a sadhaka whose wife used to get killed the day after the marriage and after several marriages he stopped. Then another Sadhaka came and heard him reciting " Durga Sapthashati " . He was reciting " Bhaaryaam Bhakshathu Bhairaveem " instead of " Bharyaam Rakshathu Bhairaveem " . The meaning of the story is that the change of just one letter can change the prayer and the results can be disasterous. As long as there is proper guidence publication is not bad. Hope I have made myself clear. Menon ----Original Message Follows---- " saravana kumar " <saravana.kumar Great Ramanuja Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:04:46 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [216.115.96.83] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE013A7F00424004321CD8736053B136342; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:35:41 -0800 Received: from [216.115.97.162] by n33. with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2002 06:35:05 -0000 Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 06:35:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 86174 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 06:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv. with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 06:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailcity.com) (209.185.123.96) by mta1.grp.snv. with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 06:35:03 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Sat Jan 5 22:34:46 2002 From sentto-4371823-88-1010298904-kochu1 Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:36:15 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4371823-88-1010298904-kochu1=hotmail.com X-Sender: saravana.kumar X-Apparently- Message-ID: <JJDHDCIEHJIHFAAA X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 210.212.210.5 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Language: en X-eGroups- " saravana kumar " <saravana.kumar Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner Delivered-mailing list Precedence: bulk List-Un: <- > Sree Mathre Namah Reaspected Mr.Menon, as you discussed about revered great Ramanuja i would like to state that the manthras, Siva Panchakshari ie., 'namasivaya', narayanashtakshari ie., 'om namo narayanaya', Saura Sapthakshari ie.,' bhaskaraya namah', vinayaka ashtakshari ie., 'ganapathaye namah' and chandi sapthakshari ie., 'om namaschandikayai' these manthras in Kali Yuga need no initiation and one can start on their own. these are moksha manthras and you dont need initiation for these mantras. inspite of this ruling, since Ramanujas guru has dictated not to make public about the mantra, Ramanuja did and ramanuja had suffered for this treason with stomach ache all his life. this is just a clarification regarding your counter statement that mantras are not to be publicised. allways at the feet of my guru Samvidananda -- On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:10:46 menon wrote: Mantras are by tradition secret, but there is the story of Ramanuja who was told that the Vaishnavashtakshari Mantra is secret and if given to any one without Guru's permission will go to Hell. So Ramanuja went to the market and gave it to all. When asked why he said all those who heard will go to heaven so he does not mind going to hell. Menon _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 sree mathre namah very truly said sir. by the way, i am in posession of one Sri Vidya Ratnakara which is edited by sri Hariharananda saraswati, estwhile Karapatra Swamy which contains about the four deities, Lalita, Mantrini, Dandini and Maha Ganapathi? always at the feet of Guru Samvidanandasaktha saravana kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 dear saravanakumar where can we get a copy of the literature u have " Sri Vidya Ratnakaram " - in India or abroad -- wish to know more on what is said on Dandini (Varahi) in that book love S.Ashok Sundaresan - saravana kumar <saravana.kumar Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:13 PM Re: Great Ramanuja > > > sree mathre namah > > very truly said sir. by the way, i am in posession of one Sri Vidya Ratnakara which is edited by sri Hariharananda saraswati, estwhile Karapatra Swamy which contains about the four deities, Lalita, Mantrini, Dandini and Maha Ganapathi? > > always at the feet of Guru > Samvidanandasaktha > saravana kumar > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Sri Vidya Rathnakaram is in print and easily available. I shall post the address tomorrow. But Sri. Karapatriswami included a lot of vaidic rituals in the book. I also have a copy of " Nityotsava " by Umananda Natha, the deciple of Bhaskara Raya makhi. I am in the process of creating a transliterated copy in english letters witha CD with all the Mantras correctly pronounced so that it will be useful to all who are not familiar with devanagari Script. I will try to put in small commentaries as well. (I do not know whether I am competent for that). Regards Menon ----Original Message Follows---- " Ashok Sundaresan " <ashokca Re: Great Ramanuja Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:34:27 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [216.115.96.55] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE07184A005B40043113D87360372DCE188; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:24:14 -0800 Received: from [216.115.97.164] by n5. with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 17:21:26 -0000 Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 17:21:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 97271 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 17:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv. with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 17:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsmart1.eth.net) (202.9.174.15) by mta3.grp.snv. with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 17:21:22 -0000 Received: from smtp.eth.net ([202.9.178.26]) by mailsmart1.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:34:41 +0530 Received: from 202.9.177.184 by smtp.eth.net (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:40:48 +0530 From sentto-4371823-112-1010683283-kochu1 Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:24:53 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4371823-112-1010683283-kochu1=hotmail.com X-Sender: ashokca X-Apparently- Message-ID: <001d01c199a5$0bd75700$b8b109ca@god> References: <GBDHELMJIEFIGAAA X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 07:04:41.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[136F7650:01C199A5] Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner Delivered-mailing list Precedence: bulk List-Un: <- > dear saravanakumar where can we get a copy of the literature u have " Sri Vidya Ratnakaram " - in India or abroad -- wish to know more on what is said on Dandini (Varahi) in that book love S.Ashok Sundaresan - saravana kumar <saravana.kumar Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:13 PM Re: Great Ramanuja > > > sree mathre namah > > very truly said sir. by the way, i am in posession of one Sri Vidya Ratnakara which is edited by sri Hariharananda saraswati, estwhile Karapatra Swamy which contains about the four deities, Lalita, Mantrini, Dandini and Maha Ganapathi? > > always at the feet of Guru > Samvidanandasaktha > saravana kumar > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 namaste ,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is bob chandpuri seeking your help to overcome strange difficulties in finance health ,family relationships ,confusion and lack of direction,lack of family peace ,is this due to bad grahas or due to some psychic tantrik assault from god knows who and why , i am cognizant that with your legal practisce and translation work you must be very busy if you can please guide usa,,,,,,,,,,,jai mata di.................bob chandpuri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Bob as soon as I have time I will cast your horoscope and see what the problem is. Just send the date time and place of birth of you, your wife and Children. Thank you Menon - VRNDA555 Friday, January 11, 2002 4:53 AM Re: Great Ramanuja namaste ,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is bob chandpuri seeking your help to overcome strange difficulties in finance health ,family relationships ,confusion and lack of direction,lack of family peace ,is this due to bad grahas or due to some psychic tantrik assault from god knows who and why , i am cognizant that with your legal practisce and translation work you must be very busy if you can please guide usa,,,,,,,,,,,jai mata di.................bob chandpuri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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