Correction, re: Answering some questions, if I may!

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Richard Kemp <kemprichard

 

Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:35 PM

Re: Answering some questions, if I may!

 

 

> I bow to superior knowledge.

>

> Shyam,

>

>Blessings to your spiritual master Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami!

>

> This is certainly interesting. I have also been told there is a Tamil word

> 'shayman' meaning 'god'. I did not know there was also a Hindic cognate;

and

> I very much doubt those 'learned' in this subject are aware of this,

either.

>

> Does the book you mention deal with this matter in any depth, or is it

> merely a comment in passing, please? If *not* the latter, then I should

very much like

> to see this work.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Krishnadas

>

> At the feet of my blessed Guru, Shyama Maa.

>

>

> -

> Shyam Wazir <bhairavi99ca

> Saktha Family

> Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:22 AM

> Answering some questions, if I may!

>

>

> > Namaste everyone;

> >

> > I bow before my Gurudeva, Jagat Janani, and all of the

> > devotees.

> >

> > Alright, I have a couple of questions to ask, and a

> > few things to comment, if you please...

> >

> > 1) Bhakta Saikumarji, regarding your statement of Devi

> > loka; Swami Satyananda Saraswati describes all of the

> > Sakta narratives as being metaphors for what happens

> > within the microcosm-->(ie: the human being

> > him/herself). Everyone, do you think that it's

> > possible that perhaps Maa's ferocious attendants are

> > the representation of " our minds " defenders against us

> > commiting mental adharma? It's just an idea since my

> > Guru, Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, describes that

> > God and the Gods are neither vengeful nor wrathful.

> >

> > 2) Angie my buddy, Buddhisms core scriptures were

> > written in Sanskrit, as are our tantra scriptures. We

> > Hindus believe that God Buddha is the ninth

> > incarnation of God Vishnu. A reference to this belief

> > is recorded in the Hindu purana " Srimad Bhagavatam " .

> > You can go to your nearest Hare Krishna temple and

> > find out more about Buddha and His relationship to

> > Hinduism. PLUS-Mahayana Buddhism, which is practiced

> > mainly in Tibet, is ENTIRELY TANTRIC in nature, belief

> > and practice. Tibetan Buddhism's goddesses Tara,

> > Saraswati, and Chinnamunda(known to us Sanatana

> > Dharmi's as our beloved Maa in Her Chinnamasta form)

> > are also worshipped in Hinduism. P.S. I would have

> > NEVER guessed that you're twenty five! Rock on!

> >

> > 3) Richardji, my spiritual master Satguru Sivaya

> > Subramuniyaswami describes in his book " Dancing With

> > Siva " that Folk Shamanism is:

> > " Of or related to a tribal or village tradition in

> > which the mystic priest, shaman, plays a central role,

> > wielding powers of magic and spirituality. Revered for

> > his ability to influence and control nature and

> > people, to cause good and bad things to happen, he is

> > the intermediary between man and divine forces. The

> > term 'shaman' is from the Sanskrit 'sramana',

> > 'ascetic', akin to 'sram', to exert " .

> > I hope that that answers your question!

> >

> > 4) Pria...I am not " chasing " Hell Angel, I just think

> > that she's really cool. Amman placed her on this chat

> > group for a reason. She is a follower of Sri Hari in

> > His Buddha form, thus we must make her feel more than

> > welcome. Hari(Vishnu) and Hara(Siva) are one! In Nepal

> > Saivism is mixed, nay, super-imposed with Buddhism.

> > Too bad the brothers and sisters in Sri Lanka can't

> > embrace the unity of Saivism and Buddhism like their

> > northern Nepalese relatives!

> >

> > 5) As for the subject of a guru being necessary for

> > giving a mantra: Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, the

> > 162nd Satguru in the line of Tirumular (Tirumular was

> > a brother disciple of Patanjali. pATANJALI WAS THE

> > AUTHOR OF THE " yOGA sUTRAS " . Both Tirumular and

> > Patanjali learned under the great sage Maharishi

> > Nandinatha over 2500 years ago!)

> > Subramuniyaswami has a lot of quotes from many revered

> > scriptures in his book " Dancing With Siva " . Here's

> > just three of hundreds:

> >

> > i) " At the root of dhyana(meditation) is the form of

> > the guru. At the root of puja are the feet of the

> > guru. At the root of mantra is the word of the guru,

> > and at the root of all liberation is the grace of the

> > guru. "

> > -KULARNAVA TANTRA

> >

> > ii) " Without a teacher, all philosophy, traditional

> > knowledge and mantras are fruitless. Him alone the

> > Gods laud who is the guru, keeping active what is

> > handed down by tradition. "

> > -KULARNAVA TANTRA

> >

> > iii) " Those who themselves have seen the Truth can be

> > thy teachers of wisdom. Ask from them, bow unto them,

> > be thou unto them a servant. "

> > -BHAGAVAD GITA

> >

> > Have a wonderful day everyone. By the way, if I

> > somehow, in any which way, inadvertently offended

> > anyone-please pardon me. Often we merely get triggered

> > by that which is a challenge to our own thought

> > systems, thus resulting in offense by interpreting the

> > words of the writer/speaker as a personal assault. In

> > other words...it's all in your head!

> >

> > My pranaams to you all.

> > love brother Shyam.

> >

> >

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There is one other quote that may be relevant

" Shive Rushta Gurustraathaath

Gurau rushte na kinjana

IF GOD IS ANGRY GURU WILL PROTECT

IF GURU IS ANGRY THERE WILL BE NONE.

 

 

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Correction, re: Answering some questions, if I may!

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Richard Kemp <kemprichard

 

Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:35 PM

Re: Answering some questions, if I may!

 

 

I bow to superior knowledge.

 

Shyam,

 

Blessings to your spiritual master Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami!

 

This is certainly interesting. I have also been told there is a Tamil word

'shayman' meaning 'god'. I did not know there was also a Hindic cognate;

and I very much doubt those 'learned' in this subject are aware of this,

either.

 

Does the book you mention deal with this matter in any depth, or is it

merely a comment in passing, please? If *not* the latter, then I should

very much like to see this work.

 

Sincerely,

 

Krishnadas

 

At the feet of my blessed Guru, Shyama Maa.

 

 

-

Shyam Wazir <bhairavi99ca

Saktha Family

Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:22 AM

Answering some questions, if I may!

 

 

Namaste everyone;

 

I bow before my Gurudeva, Jagat Janani, and all of the devotees.

 

Alright, I have a couple of questions to ask, and a few things to comment,

if you please...

 

1) Bhakta Saikumarji, regarding your statement of Devi loka; Swami

Satyananda Saraswati describes all of the Sakta narratives as being

metaphors for what happens within the microcosm-->(ie: the human being

him/herself). Everyone, do you think that it's possible that perhaps Maa's

ferocious attendants are the representation of " our minds " defenders against

us commiting mental adharma? It's just an idea since my Guru, Satguru Sivaya

Subramuniyaswami, describes that God and the Gods are neither vengeful nor

wrathful.

 

2) Angie my buddy, Buddhisms core scriptures were written in Sanskrit, as

are our tantra scriptures. We Hindus believe that God Buddha is the ninth

incarnation of God Vishnu. A reference to this belief is recorded in the

Hindu purana " Srimad Bhagavatam " .

You can go to your nearest Hare Krishna temple and find out more about

Buddha and His relationship to Hinduism. PLUS-Mahayana Buddhism, which is

practiced mainly in Tibet, is ENTIRELY TANTRIC in nature, belief and

practice. Tibetan Buddhism's goddesses Tara, Saraswati, and

Chinnamunda(known to us Sanatana Dharmi's as our beloved Maa in Her

Chinnamasta form) are also worshipped in Hinduism. P.S. I would have NEVER

guessed that you're twenty five! Rock on!

3) Richardji, my spiritual master Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami describes

in his book " Dancing With Siva " that Folk Shamanism is:

" Of or related to a tribal or village tradition in which the mystic priest,

shaman, plays a central role, wielding powers of magic and spirituality.

Revered for his ability to influence and control nature and people, to cause

good and bad things to happen, he is the intermediary between man and divine

forces. The term 'shaman' is from the Sanskrit 'sramana', 'ascetic', akin to

'sram', to exert " . I hope that that answers your question!

 

4) Pria...I am not " chasing " Hell Angel, I just think that she's really

cool. Amman placed her on this chat group for a reason. She is a follower of

Sri Hari in His Buddha form, thus we must make her feel more than welcome.

Hari(Vishnu) and Hara(Siva) are one! In Nepal Saivism is mixed, nay,

super-imposed with Buddhism. Too bad the brothers and sisters in Sri Lanka

can't embrace the unity of Saivism and Buddhism like their northern nepalese

relatives!

 

5) As for the subject of a guru being necessary for giving a mantra: Satguru

Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, the 162nd Satguru in the line of Tirumular

(Tirumular was a brother disciple of Patanjali. pATANJALI WAS THE AUTHOR OF

THE " yOGA sUTRAS " . Both Tirumular and Patanjali learned under the great sage

Maharishi Nandinatha over 2500 years ago!)Subramuniyaswami has a lot of

quotes from many revered scriptures in his book " Dancing With Siva " . Here's

just three of hundreds:

 

i) " At the root of dhyana(meditation) is the form of the guru. At the root

of puja are the feet of the guru. At the root of mantra is the word of the

guru, and at the root of all liberation is the grace of the guru. "

-KULARNAVA TANTRA

 

ii) " Without a teacher, all philosophy, traditional knowledge and mantras

are fruitless. Him alone the Gods laud who is the guru, keeping active what

is handed down by tradition. "

-KULARNAVA TANTRA

 

iii) " Those who themselves have seen the Truth can be thy teachers of

wisdom. Ask from them, bow unto them, be thou unto them a servant. "

BHAGAVAD GITA

> > Have a wonderful day everyone. By the way, if I somehow, in any which

way, inadvertently offended anyone-please pardon me. Often we merely get

triggered by that which is a challenge to our own thought systems, thus

resulting in offense by interpreting the words of the writer/speaker as a

personal assault. In other words...it's all in your head!

 

My pranaams to you all.

love brother Shyam.

 

 

 

 

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