Shakthi is Mother to Us ALL!!!

April 30, 2002

Dear Friends:

I am an apolitical person. But I have to add my two paisa to all this.

I just keep wondering who gave birth to the term " Hindu Fundamentalism " and

who nurtured it? I think it was the " secularists " who ruled India for almost

half a century. U say anything about Hinduism, it is " against " secularism. A

minority community abuses the majority community it is " secularism " . Who had

all the privilages that alienated the majority community and who were its

protagonists? The " Seculars " .

Anyway that is not the intent and purport of this group.

I wanted to answer the message sentence by sentence. But I decided against

it.

Please understand that there is no single party that is not responsible. Not

a single Netha who is not responsible.

Anyway lets not get into controversies and leave it to the appropriate forum

Menon

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Dear Fellow Devi bhakthas,

This might not be a popular idea, but i think the present international

crises, and specifically the terrible ethnic violence in Gujarat, requires

our attention and action.

I know this is soley a religious list, but if our religion cant help us in

addressing some very basic and obvious problems, if its utility does not

extend far beyond simply the desire of ones own concerns with salvation,

then such a religion is rather useless.

We are now watching now, in our motherland, what can only be called

burgeoning Hindu fascism, and as socially-responsible Hindus everywhere, we

must stand up to it.

We who worship the Sacred under the form of Shakthi understand divinity in

terms of the image of the Holy Cosmic Mother... COSMIC being the the

operative word here.

She represents the divine parent over all, cosmically, universally..., She

requires no Jamnasthams, since She is everywhere, and She is no less Mother

to our Muslim sisters and brothers than She is to us Hindus. Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa tried very hard to impress this idea on people with his practice

of the principle of religious acceptance... its sad how many Hindus have

forgotten that vitally important and neccessery lesson now.

We cannot stand by allowing any political party (particularly those involved

with the assasination of Mahatma Ghandhi, a true son of Ambika) to use our

faith as an instrament of fascism, nor ought we let such power-hungry

parties prostitute our gods in pro-war propaganda(the last time i was in

India, i saw a horrible BJP-RSS sponsored float which had a shamefull image

of our own beloved Mother hurling a nuke at Pakistan... nuclear bombs are

one of the biggest mistakes humans ever made, and as a shaktha, i am

absolutely insulted, offended and horrified that someone would dare fuse

such a terrible, disgusting, toxic and unforgiving concept as a nuclear

exchange with our Goddess!!!!) This is shamefull, and the wretched

shamefullness of it all is eclipsed only by the body count that accompanies

it.

Moreover, if the sheer cost in lives is not enough to convince those more

right-wing Hindus that the parties in power are on the wrong track, and that

the violence occuring is sensless, please remember that increased communal

violence within India (even if only perpetuated by a frighteningly vocal

minority of fanatics like the RSS or their corresponding Islamic militias)

will be enough for the international community (especially a VERY

interested Britian) to send forth " peace-keepers " (you know, the kind of

" peace-keeper " with machine guns, tanks, bombers and paratroopers?) to

" solve " the

problem... everything Gandhiji worked for would be crushed as a handfull of

sociopathic Hindu fanatics and the irresponsible party that funds them roll

out the red-carpet for the re-colonising of the country.

This is important to remember...

i ask you all as servants of the Divine Mother to speak out, to let the VHP,

BJP and RSS know that not all Hindus support Hindu Fascism, to discuss this

matter frankly and openly in our temples and community centers, and to pull

ourselves away from self-involvement just long enough to do so. Remember

that compassion lays in understanding the shared humanity of all peoples

under Mother.

Let us all pray and work for peace....

May Bagavathy KaaliAmmanDevi, the subduer of the pride of Rakthabija, also

subdue the riotous and cruel persistence of bigotry, hate, war and

exploitation that grips our world so mercilessly right now. May we all find

a way out of fascism whether such fascism be Hindu, Muslim, Israeli,

American, French, British, Colombian, Peruvian etc...

Saranam Bagavathy Amme Narayana!!!

SHANTI SHANTI SHANT!!!!!

May 1, 2002

Dear Anamika:

i agree wholeheartedly with all you have said. I do not know the motive of

the person who posted all this. I did write a long e-mail. But then I

thought I should not start a controversy.

I request the moderator to moderate subjects that have no bearing to our

group.

That will help us concentrate on our subject.

Menon

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I do not like the group to be misused for political purposes. I am

sure that all of us condemn the killings in Gujarat and are worried

about its continuance. Right now it is a problem of law and order.

I do understand how to a person from Kerala, all Hindu parties are

communal and fascist. The definitions as per the Kerala Hindus is

1. Muslim league is secular and so is Kerala congress.

2.Communists are democratic.

3. The main accused in the Coimbatore blast case is a secular leader.

4. BJP and all people who defend Hindus are Communal

5. When all the pundits are killed and driven out of Kashmir that is

the right of the Muslims.

6. When temples are destroyed in Malappuram in the wake of December

6th incident they are justified.

7. Every party wants to be associated with Muslim League but no one

will touch BJP.

8. The killings in Cannanore which is an everyday affair is Hindu

communalism.

This is the propaganda that the 100 percent literate state believes

in. The politics is so communal and casteist in Kerala. In a state

where even a respected and revered leader like EMS can not get

elected from Alathur because the Muslims are in a majority there.

I am a Keralite ( old term denoting all people of Kerala regardless

of religion, Language. Now we have only Malayalees) having lived in

Kerala for generations. We are so disgusted with the so called 100

percent literate ( mind you literate. Not educated) people who

believe and swear that Mr. Ibrahim Sulaiman Sait is secular and

Sri.Bajpai is communal.

I am happy that the rest of India does not follow the People of

Kerala where a mini Pakistan was created to get Muslim votes and the

Central reserve police is not allowed to enter that district.

Have you heard of the Justice Aravindhakshan commission, its report

and how it has been suppressed for more than 10 years because one

particular community was involved.

No leader of the so called secular parties condemned the killing of

Hindus in the train in Gujarat which started it all.About the killing

of pundits in Kashmir they are not bothered.

With this kind of mindset all actions of Hindus become ethnic

cleansing. We live in India where we have to face secular people who

would rather let Gen. Musharaff rule India rather than Sri. Bajpai.

Talking about untouchability one of the Chief ministers of Kerala did

not show proper respect the Hon. President of India because he is

from a Dalit community. People who have become Christians generations

back are still classified as Dalit Christians, Namboodhiri

Christians. But this is not the fault of Christianity but of Hinduism

which they left generations back. How ? About feminine rights the ice

cream sex parlour case in Calicut is still open because the leader of

a particular party is involved. A woman is sexually assaulted in a

bus and the authorities prosecute the victim.

I am fed up of people like my friend with his posting. India is not

Bosnia or Somalia. We are a world power and a small island like

Britain cannot send its troops here.You know Why? Because we are a

nuclear power. We got the Nuclear Bombs to defend our country. If

that action posed problems in getting Visa to U.S we do not care.

Frankly it is Hindus like you who are doing the greatest disservice

to India and Hinduism by such talk. You do not like BJP ruling India.

You would rather have a secular party like Muslim League ruling India.

Fortunately Kerala is not India.

I do not like this forum being used by Anti BJP baiters.

You may believe in all religions . But neither the Muslims or

Christians are willing to tolerate Hinduism. You should understand

that before posting such messages.

As it is many Hindus feel that in India The Hindus are being deprived

of their legitimate rights. Again in Kerala they passed an act

prohibiting animal sacrifices in Temples. Why ? How come other

religions can do it and not Hindus ? There was no clamour for the

abolition. Funds from Ayyappa temple is used to run the Government of

Kerala. But the mosques and Churches are allowed to retain their

money.

I agree with Mr. Menon. But unfortunately civilized behaviour is

often mistaken for Cowardice.

Who told you that BJP or RSS was involved in Mahatma Gandhi's

assasanation. Read your History. Your politicians make Gobbels look

like a kindergartner.

I may be removed or banned for this message. But I had to counter

propaganda.

Do not drag Maa's name or worship into this. You are totally

brainwashed.

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May 1, 2002

Dear friends

I have read all the messages in the last few days, someone deriding India and

someone deriding Kerala, someone deriding Hinduism and someone else deriding

other religions, for all sort of things.

I am an Indian by virtue of being a Keralite (or malayalee), am not ashamed of

being either. I am a proud Indian and a proud Malayalee and am grateful to Maa

(Devi) for creating me in this form.

I can answer to all the points raised here point by point which can run into a

big volume of book, but this forum is not meant for it.

Four of the cardinal principles of life are:-

a. Remain focussed of what is your aim. In this case it is Bhakti of maa and

through that creating a better society.

b. Second principle is be tolerant to others views, so that a society with many

diverse language , culture and beliefs will remain united for a common cause

even while each individual retaining his or her identity.

c. Third principle is not to run down your own self(in this case read it as your

own country, state, family belief etc.). After all, if you smell your own tooth

pick it may have a bad odour and we don't carry it sky high proclaiming it to

the world, but we about showing and highlighting the positive side of our

personality.

d. The forth principle is to think, see and value good things or virtues about

our religion, country, state, district ,family etc: knowing fully well that

others have more problems in some or other way. Highlight those good things to

the world which will earn us a pride of place in this enormously competitive

world.

I don't intend to sermonise but thought of writing this much, with my years of

experience around the world and deep commitment to Maa's Bhakti.

Regards

Ravindra Kumar

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Kochu Menon

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:01 AM

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