Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Dear All Devi Bakhtas, I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger, in both traditions the ultimate goal is to reach cosmic consiousness but in the process do they reveal different aspects of the same consiouness Also with reference to Nithyas in lalitha tradition it represent the waxing and in kali wanning , the moon represent the female aspect and sun the male aspect of consiouness also the individual consciouness the female aspect and cosmic consciouness the male aspect,so i was just wondering what the relationship between the different phases of the moon,the individual , cosmic consiouness and the different traditions . Shri Tripurave Hreem Kannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 kali kula is that face of the triune maternal deity for a real reason. when that reason is no longer, it represents the change of ages, kali yuga into tretayuga or sattvayuga. how high will people reach? kali is more enlightened than the buddha! as long as that aeon called good aeon of shakyamuni by the tantrayaana buddhists -- the secret terma keepers -- then there is a necessity for the divine feminine to " move rage " . we both know that such manifests as lightning, and earthquakes. when she's done being angry, all becomes the bliss that has been spoken of as variously sadhana, shamatha (the bliss that persists when one has arisen from meditation) or satori. until that time she is drawing that energy, gentle bhakti. until that time all the subconscious mind of the world is actually drawn that way. for the age of quarrel to be ended the shaktty must be placated...that is the role of bodhicitta, that calmness abiding in the anahata centre that is the heart and the high heart. creating peace between man and woman is not so easy in our material world, which is precisely why there are so many renunciants. but the real goal has always been finding a way to " marry " the awakened heart to the material world. you -- i wish you all the best on your path of attainment...it is said not to become distracted by siddhis and let them become the whole of your practice, because once you begin attaining you'll keep attaining. even the prakyatebuddha is like an arahant in the world. that oft sought after goal of immortality -- it is already attained by the subtle bodies and the spirit soul. one would have to go very far not to become bored and seek dissqlution. this is why there are so many tales of 'demons' and so few people who are THAT profoundly attained -- the concentration on attaining magic powers. but once that begins, the rest of the road is still ahead of one...taoists therefore have a saying that the value is not in the destination, but the journey. think on what I have said about ascended mastery and the third secret vehicle of the buddhists with that in mind. why is it a secret vehicle, tantrayana? are human feelings to blame, or human judgments? or even, divine judgments? On 8/27/07, ckannannair <ckannannair wrote: > > Dear All Devi Bakhtas, > I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is > bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger, in both > traditions the ultimate goal is to reach cosmic consiousness but in > the process do they reveal different aspects of the same consiouness > Also with reference to Nithyas in lalitha tradition it represent the > waxing and in kali wanning , the moon represent the female aspect and > sun the male aspect of consiouness also the individual consciouness > the female aspect and cosmic consciouness the male aspect,so i was > just wondering what the relationship between the different phases of > the moon,the individual , cosmic consiouness and the different > traditions . > > Shri Tripurave Hreem > Kannan > > > -- very new! http://particlezen.proboards7.com/index.cgi? John 16:33 the*edge*of*everything* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Has to do mostly with varna. Lalita is young and Kali is old. You either want to develope with some materialism or get the hell out. Though that will never happen. But one can swiftly cut through. With Kali. Whunk! Try them both. - " ckannannair " <ckannannair Monday, August 27, 2007 12:53 PM Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > Dear All Devi Bakhtas, > I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is > bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Has to do mostly with varna and the natural innocence of the sudras that is the meaning of DASARA On 8/27/07, Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > > Has to do mostly with varna. Lalita is young and Kali is old. You either > > want to develope with some materialism or get the hell out. Though that > will > never happen. But one can swiftly cut through. With Kali. > > Whunk! > > Try them both. > > - > " ckannannair " <ckannannair <ckannannair%40.co.in>> > < <%40>> > Monday, August 27, 2007 12:53 PM > Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > > > Dear All Devi Bakhtas, > > I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is > > bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger, > > > -- very new! http://particlezen.proboards7.com/index.cgi? John 16:33 the*edge*of*everything* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does not mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she cuts through your great ego Shri Tripurave Hreem Kannan , " Kirk " <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > > Has to do mostly with varna. Lalita is young and Kali is old. You either > want to develope with some materialism or get the hell out. Though that will > never happen. But one can swiftly cut through. With Kali. > > Whunk! > > Try them both. > > > - > " ckannannair " <ckannannair > > Monday, August 27, 2007 12:53 PM > Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > > > > Dear All Devi Bakhtas, > > I have a question or two for all , in Sri Kula Tradition the mood is > > bliss and in Kali Kula the mood is in dissolution/anger, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Namaskar I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka,Mahashodasior thripurasundari. Infact as far as upasana of any godess there is no question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends upon the way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are using. One is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route is dangerous which will reverse our intentions. Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as during intensive practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will push our wavering mind to worldly desires. But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her. There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus feet. Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no age or complection. ckannannair <ckannannair wrote: Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does not mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she cuts through your great ego Shri Tripurave Hreem Kannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to comment. - " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > Namaskar > I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya > upasaka,Mahashodasior > thripurasundari. Infact as far as upasana of any godess there is no > question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends upon the > way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are using. One > is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route is > dangerous which will reverse our intentions. Only samayachara marga will > lead us to nearing God. Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately > engulfed into vamachara as during intensive practices we will feel certain > abnormalities which will push our wavering mind to worldly desires. But if > we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her. There is no > egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus feet. Mind > concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no age or > complection. > > ckannannair <ckannannair wrote: > Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on > some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what > i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a > materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she > brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all > objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. > Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever > youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent > the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does not > mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is > swift and she cuts through your great ego > > Shri Tripurave Hreem > Kannan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Hi, I 100% agree with Kirk , The Lalitha Sahasra Nama stotram clearly states that there are 2 paths to reach Her divine feet , the kaula (Dakshina and Vama margas)and Samaya way.The path is determined by a Sadhaka's temperament (A sadhaka to follow Vamacharya path should have a heroic or vira attitude). Our minds have been conditioned in due course of life to believe something is true whereas the purpose of Tantra and Shakti worship is to go beyond this conditioning and identify the true self.I dont believe in Superiority or inferiority of one path over another for Infinity can be reached in Infinite ways Shri Tripurave Hreem Kannan , " Kirk " <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > > You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to > become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from > the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to comment. > > > - > " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan > > Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM > Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > > > > Namaskar > > I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya > > upasaka,Mahashodasior > > thripurasundari. Infact as far as upasana of any godess there is no > > question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends upon the > > way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are using. One > > is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route is > > dangerous which will reverse our intentions. Only samayachara marga will > > lead us to nearing God. Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately > > engulfed into vamachara as during intensive practices we will feel certain > > abnormalities which will push our wavering mind to worldly desires. But if > > we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her. There is no > > egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus feet. Mind > > concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no age or > > complection. > > > > ckannannair <ckannannair wrote: > > Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on > > some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what > > i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a > > materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she > > brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all > > objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. > > Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever > > youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent > > the various stages of human life.Just beacause you are old does not > > mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is > > swift and she cuts through your great ego > > > > Shri Tripurave Hreem > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Dear Kirk: This is sadly a problem I see everywhere. We transliterate Sanskrit without dicritical marks or without standard transliteration code and that causes all sorts of wrong info to come into being. it is NOT vama acharya but vaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaacaaaaaaaara. vama is vomit vut vaaaaaama is left. Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: Recent Activity 9 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger PC-to-PC calls Call your friends worldwide - free! Real Food Group Share recipes, restaurant ratings and favorite meals. . You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to comment. The other comments are in bold against specific statements below - " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan < Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions Namaskar I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka, Mahashodasi or thripurasundari. In fact as far as upasana of any godess there is no question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends upon the way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are using. One is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route is dangerous which will reverse our intentions. => OTHER THAN PROPAGANDA IS THERE ANY PROOF? IF IT IS BAD WHY DO DEVI SANCTION IT AS IN LS WHERE THE VAAK DEVIS SAY KAULAMAARGA TATPARA SEVITAA? Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. => WHAT IS THE AUTHORITY FOR THIS? THEN LS IS ALL BS? BECAUSE IT SAYS DEVI IS PLEASED WITH KAULA MARGA ALSO? Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as during intensive practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will push our wavering mind to worldly desires. => SOOOOOO SAD!! WHO AND WHAT SAYS VAMAACHAARA IS BAD? I WILL NOT SAY SAMAYA AND DAKSHINA IS BAD. SUCH STRONG STATEMENTS WITHOUT AUTHORITY SEEM UNFORTUNATE. But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her.=> OTHERWISE NO??? There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus feet. Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no age or complection. ckannannair <ckannannair wrote: Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane but also on a spiritual plane and above all she brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. =. AND THAT SHE IS THE UPAASAKA. Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the various stages of human life. Just beacause you are old does not mean you dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she cuts through your great ego Shri Tripurave Hreem Kannan Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak. So give it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to have been an early pun. - " sankara menon " <kochu1tz Friday, August 31, 2007 12:19 PM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > Dear Kirk: > This is sadly a problem I see everywhere. We transliterate Sanskrit > without dicritical marks or without standard transliteration code and that > causes all sorts of wrong info to come into being. > it is NOT vama acharya but vaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaacaaaaaaaara. > vama is vomit vut vaaaaaama is left. > > > Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > > You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to > become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from > the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to > comment. > The other comments are in bold against specific statements below > - > " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan > < > Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM > Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > > Namaskar > I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka, > Mahashodasi or thripurasundari. In fact as far as upasana of any godess > there is no question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends > upon the way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are > using. One is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route > is dangerous which will reverse our intentions. => OTHER THAN PROPAGANDA > IS THERE ANY PROOF? IF IT IS BAD WHY DO DEVI SANCTION IT AS IN LS WHERE > THE VAAK DEVIS SAY KAULAMAARGA TATPARA SEVITAA? > Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. => WHAT IS THE > AUTHORITY FOR THIS? THEN LS IS ALL BS? BECAUSE IT SAYS DEVI IS PLEASED > WITH KAULA MARGA ALSO? > Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as > during intensive practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will > push our wavering mind to worldly desires. => SOOOOOO SAD!! WHO AND WHAT > SAYS VAMAACHAARA IS BAD? I WILL NOT SAY SAMAYA AND DAKSHINA IS BAD. SUCH > STRONG STATEMENTS WITHOUT AUTHORITY SEEM UNFORTUNATE. > But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her.=> > OTHERWISE NO??? > There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus > feet. Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no > age or complection. > > ckannannair <ckannannair wrote: > Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of > the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have > experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane > but also on a spiritual plane and above all she > brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects > are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. =. AND THAT > SHE IS THE UPAASAKA. > Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever > youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the > various stages of human life. Just beacause you are old does not mean you > dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she > cuts through your great ego > > Shri Tripurave Hreem > Kannan > > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 No!! To call vaamaachaara as vamachara is not pun. It really makes a difference to those who are seriously into it. For people who wants to make fun it is OK. Maybe the person who said/wrote vaamaachaara as vamachara and translated into vomit, there may have been an agenda. I have come accross many such mispronunciations and misinterpretations that I felt like doing vamana(puking). It is true everything comes together as paraavaak. But how many have realised that or experienced para? Doing vamana of what one reads without an iota of experience or understanding is not welcome - at least to serious saadhaks. (I am not referring to Kirk, this is a general statement) Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak. So give it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to have been an early pun. - " sankara menon " <kochu1tz Friday, August 31, 2007 12:19 PM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > Dear Kirk: > This is sadly a problem I see everywhere. We transliterate Sanskrit > without dicritical marks or without standard transliteration code and that > causes all sorts of wrong info to come into being. > it is NOT vama acharya but vaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaacaaaaaaaara. > vama is vomit vut vaaaaaama is left. > > > Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > > You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to > become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from > the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to > comment. > The other comments are in bold against specific statements below > - > " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " <srksrkrishnan > < > Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM > Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > > Namaskar > I have seen your criticism and sugestions on Srividya upasaka, > Mahashodasi or thripurasundari. In fact as far as upasana of any godess > there is no question of young or old. The attaintment of moksha it depends > upon the way we choose. There are two types methods the sadhakas are > using. One is samayachara and the other one is vamachara. Vamachara route > is dangerous which will reverse our intentions. => OTHER THAN PROPAGANDA > IS THERE ANY PROOF? IF IT IS BAD WHY DO DEVI SANCTION IT AS IN LS WHERE > THE VAAK DEVIS SAY KAULAMAARGA TATPARA SEVITAA? > Only samayachara marga will lead us to nearing God. => WHAT IS THE > AUTHORITY FOR THIS? THEN LS IS ALL BS? BECAUSE IT SAYS DEVI IS PLEASED > WITH KAULA MARGA ALSO? > Some of Srividyaupasakas are unfortunately engulfed into vamachara as > during intensive practices we will feel certain abnormalities which will > push our wavering mind to worldly desires. => SOOOOOO SAD!! WHO AND WHAT > SAYS VAMAACHAARA IS BAD? I WILL NOT SAY SAMAYA AND DAKSHINA IS BAD. SUCH > STRONG STATEMENTS WITHOUT AUTHORITY SEEM UNFORTUNATE. > But if we overcome from worldly ambitions we can even see her.=> > OTHERWISE NO??? > There is no egoism because everything has to be dedicated to her lotus > feet. Mind concentration and involvement is essential. Almighty have no > age or complection. > > ckannannair <ckannannair wrote: > Thanks for all your answers and comments ,but i beg to differ on some of > the points that you have raised . As a Srividya upasaka what i have > experienced is she brings in abundance not just on a materialistic plane > but also on a spiritual plane and above all she > brings in the wisdom , This wisdom enlighten the sadhaka that all objects > are merely her manifestation and she is the ultimate truth. =. AND THAT > SHE IS THE UPAASAKA. > Also even though Shodashi or Tripurasundari is represented as ever > youthful i dont think the essence of Das MahaVidya is to represent the > various stages of human life. Just beacause you are old does not mean you > dont have desires, but as you correctly pointed out Kali is swift and she > cuts through your great ego > > Shri Tripurave Hreem > Kannan > > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 We are Para. How many people experience that? We are that. You are making an egoic mess of tantra to inflate yourself. Being an expert at anything shows one is not an expert at anything. Maybe you feel that you own tantra. I could care less. As you people are scrying Saundarya Lahari I am participating in Saundarya Japa Yajna of Kanchi swamis. Talk talk and be experts away..... - " sankara menon " <kochu1tz Friday, August 31, 2007 8:21 PM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > No!! To call vaamaachaara as vamachara is not pun. It really makes a difference to those who are seriously into it. For people who wants to make fun it is OK. Maybe the person who said/wrote vaamaachaara as vamachara and translated into vomit, there may have been an agenda. > I have come accross many such mispronunciations and misinterpretations that I felt like doing vamana(puking). > It is true everything comes together as paraavaak. But how many have realised that or experienced para? > Doing vamana of what one reads without an iota of experience or understanding is not welcome - at least to serious saadhaks. (I am not referring to Kirk, this is a general statement) > Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak. Sogive it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to have been an early pun. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 May your japa help you. I am not great and I am the first one to admit it. I said what I said because many people would have believed what you said. I wanted people to be aware of the correct term that is all. I specifically said I am not attacking you as an individual. But if you take it that way, its OK. Many things can be said but as they say " Silence is golden " . But i do feel sad when mantras are murdered by faulty pronunciation and usage and misrepresenting meaning. Maybe you should ask the Acharya Jyendra Saraswati whether it is vama or vaama. I have been taught that mantras and vedas are shabda pradhaana. Maybe for some people anything goes and people sit quiet out of curtsy and it is mistaken for acceptance. Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: We are Para. How many people experience that? We are that. You are making an egoic mess of tantra to inflate yourself. Being an expert at anything shows one is not an expert at anything. Maybe you feel that you own tantra. I could care less. As you people are scrying Saundarya Lahari I am participating in Saundarya Japa Yajna of Kanchi swamis. Talk talk and be experts away..... - " sankara menon " <kochu1tz Friday, August 31, 2007 8:21 PM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > No!! To call vaamaachaara as vamachara is not pun. It really makes a difference to those who are seriously into it. For people who wants to make fun it is OK. Maybe the person who said/wrote vaamaachaara as vamachara and translated into vomit, there may have been an agenda. > I have come accross many such mispronunciations and misinterpretations that I felt like doing vamana(puking). > It is true everything comes together as paraavaak. But how many have realised that or experienced para? > Doing vamana of what one reads without an iota of experience or understanding is not welcome - at least to serious saadhaks. (I am not referring to Kirk, this is a general statement) > Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > It really makes no difference as all sounds come together at paravak. Sogive it a rest. Left, in Sanskrit, so close in sound to spew, is certain to have been an early pun. > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 So the word 'left' has only one meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 whoever said there is ON:LY one meaning? Maybe siddhashram people make it vomit? Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: So the word 'left' has only one meaning? Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 No idea what that means. But left often means what remains behind as in left overs. Moderator's note: Left in ENGLISH means that. Left in Sanskrit does not mean leftovers for there is no such usage there. The word for leftovers is UciciShTha. Anyway here we were not talking of Uchishta. We were speaking of a specific usage " vaamaacaaraa " which was wrongly written in English as " vamacharya " and a connection to vomit was made. I just said that sich a connection does not exist. Simple. If we are to discuss various sanskrit words we would need Apte's dictionary as well as Monier williams dictionary. By the way the SL japa is NOT being conducted by Kanchi Acharyas but by kaama koTi maNDali which is supported by a good friend of mine. Being associated with Kanchi acharyas ( I do not know how close a westerner can now approach the Acharyas, till a few years ago it was 100ft) does not lead to infalliblity. I have been associated with the mutt from the 60s. So maybe I have seniority and hence greater infalliblity *smile*(I do not claim this but I am extending the logic of kirk. Maybe kirk should ask his Acharyas what kirk means in Tamil??? Anyway this topic has become so ludicrous I am stopping it. - " sankara menon " <kochu1tz Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:41 AM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions > whoever said there is ON:LY one meaning? > Maybe siddhashram people make it vomit? > > Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: > So the word 'left' has only one meaning? > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > FareChase. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Namaskar, My single word of vamachara have erupted certain criticism without understandingthe what I mean. Vaamaachaara marga is is termed as dangerous and termed as blak-magic by Sadguru SantKeshavadas and other scholars which reflected in my reply. But it is misunderstood. I believe in Mahashodasi andher upasana is giving metranquility and mental peace. I wanted to share all those things and clear doubts onthe practice of Navavarana poojas where some difference of opinions among stalwarts still going on. PRANAAM. Kirk <kirk_bernhardt wrote: You have Vamacharya misunderstood. Vama means to vomit. Vamacharya is to become so one with the deity that all ones does is as if spewed forth from the deity. If you are not vamacharya you rightly have no ability to comment. - " RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI " To: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:12 AM Re: Re: Nithyas.Kula and a few questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 please go through the commentary here and maybe download it: http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/htk/index.htm , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > [about transliteration issues] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Namaskaram, I am greatful to you for your comments on vamachara. In fact in our places viz. Chennai and some other places the english translation is like that. Certain northern places also they quoted as I had. But as we know sanskrit this was not noted as a mistake. But mr.krk has termed me that I misunderstood the meanings wrongly. But this is not. I want toknow from Sankraraman about the poojakrama of mahameru . In many of the literatures, the method of pooja has been shown as anti clockwise which is actually termed as vaama maarga and Majority of gurus and matathipathies says theatthe pooja should be done in clockewise only which is the safest way to do. I had clarified the same with Sringeri Acharya and Srmad Namanandagiri Swamigal and advised me that there so many contradictions on this matter and you can perform poojas as per Your mind suggests. Afterwords I am performing Navavarana pooja-s on mahameru clockwise only.Why this confusion to vedic stalwartson this subject? I hope you have some answer for that. PRANAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 , RADHAKRISHNA PILLAI <srksrkrishnan wrote: > > Namaskaram, > I am greatful to you for your comments on vamachara. In fact in our places viz. Chennai and some other places the english translation is like that. Certain northern places also they quoted as I had. But as we know sanskrit this was not noted as a mistake. But mr.krk has termed me that I misunderstood the meanings wrongly. But this is not. I want toknow from Sankraraman about the poojakrama of mahameru . In many of the literatures, the method of pooja has been shown as anti clockwise which is actually termed as vaama maarga and Majority of gurus and matathipathies says theatthe pooja should be done in clockewise only which is the safest way to do. I had clarified the same with Sringeri Acharya and Srmad Namanandagiri Swamigal and advised me that there so many contradictions on this matter and you can perform poojas as per Your mind suggests. Afterwords I am performing Navavarana pooja-s on mahameru clockwise only.Why this confusion to vedic stalwartson this subject? > I hope you have some answer for that. PRANAM. >Namaste, In matters of dispute let us rely on original texts. Gandharvatantrom Patala 17, verse2 and 3 runs like this, " Mohanam kshobhanam chakram dakshavarthakramat yajed Vamaavarthakramenaiva seshachakrani pujayet " . The trailokya mohana, sarvasamksohana chakras are to be worshipped clockwise and the others anticlockwise. Note that in the case of the latter one first the east, south,west,north ones petals and then southeast, southwest,northwest,north east petals are worshipped in the clockwise order. The nityas are worshipped from Kameswari to Chitra in the anticlockwise order.Parasuramkalpasutra, citing the respective mantras from Kameswari to Chitra ordains, " iti pancadasanityaah pradhamatryasarekhastita panchadasaswareshu puujyaah " The 15 nitayaas are to be worshipped on places where the 15 vowels are.The vowels are placed anticlockwise.So to those following Kalpasutra the places are fixed.But some other tantras like the Tantraraja dictates to worship from the tithinitya corresponding to the day of puja.Kameswari to Chitra during Suklapaksha and during krishnapaksha the reverse. Hope this is enough. May SHE guide us in her worship, for she is the vidya and she is the GURU in human form. Namste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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