Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 >As far as I can tell Nora does not question what Ammachi is -- as she >herself said in a post yesterday: > >NORA: I do believe Ammachi is just a simple minded siddha and a >humble one. Well, we can agree about the humility but certainly not about " simple minded " ! As for, " she has no direct lineage, " lineages and external authority do not impress me. There are worthy teachers within them, as well as ego-invested ones, so what. >I think it's the term " we " that needs to be watched here. I am speaking of Ammachi devotees who Nora just characterized en masse in very unfavorable terms, without making any exceptions: " that you all wear with pride and show off with. Your status symbol. " She says " you all, " and only in that context do i say " we. " I don't believe Amma devotees on this list or elsewhere agree on everything, about Amma's organization or our own spiritual orientation or path or whatever. I certainly don't aspire to any party line, and in fact my own path is not restricted to any one tradition. On this list there is no status to be gained in talking about Amma or her teachings. On the contrary, there is rather the risk of being perceived as a pashu herd animal. Oh well. Can't worry about such things. I am not looking for status... Nora has a right to her opinion, i have a right to take exception to comments i find offensive. We can move on. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Hi again, Max: Thanks for the post. I take note of the specific quotes you cite and leave it to Nora to clarify -- her shift is beginning soon! ;-) I gave my take, but it very well may be all wet -- certainly back-channel opinions are running that way! ;-) *** On this list there is no status to be gained in talking about Amma or her teachings. On the contrary, there is rather the risk of being perceived as a pashu herd animal. *** On this topic I would like to comment. I think the body of opinions that constitute " this list " at any given moment is an extremely amorphous one and shifts with whomever is in the mood to talk. For instance, last week the Ammachi-bashers were ascendant, not for the first time, until we finally shut them off. It's an occupational hazard of trying, as we do, to allow all sorts of opinion and contrary voices have their say -- until such time as they degenerate into mere abusiveness and sniping. The overall tone of this group is not, I hope, exclusivist or exclusionary. Kochu is a great and early devotee of Ammachi. Nora is not a fan. Durga voiced her opinions a little earlier. I quite honestly haven't studied Ammachi or her teachings; from what little I've picked up here and there, she seems quite lovely indeed and unmistakeably authentic. But I know nothing much of her organization or her devotees (who are, as you say, probably too diverse a bunch to characterize anyway). But I would not like this group to be characterized as anti-Ammachi any more than as anti-Amrita or anti-Sai or anti- any holy personage whose teachings are at least generally in line with the purposes and topic of this group. And certainly I would not want there to be any impression that Ammachi devotees are " pashu herd animals " or whatever. That is absolute nonsense. *** Nora has a right to her opinion, i have a right to take exception to comments i find offensive.*** You bet. Best regards DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I agree that the list is very mixed, which is a good thing. I just wanted to address these herdish perceptions which have surfaced before, and the unnecessarily insulting tone of the post in question, and i'm done now. DB, I think you do a pretty good job of moderating overall. Max > I think the body of opinions >that constitute " this list " at any given moment is an extremely >amorphous one and shifts with whomever is in the mood to talk. For >instance, last week the Ammachi-bashers were ascendant, not for the >first time, until we finally shut them off. It's an occupational >hazard of trying, as we do, to allow all sorts of opinion and >contrary voices have their say -- until such time as they degenerate >into mere abusiveness and sniping. -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: Nora has a right to her opinion, i have a right to take exception to comments i find offensive. We can move on. > > Max > Indeed we should. Its such a fine morning today and I am so happy today. Didn't I tell you DB, what a trouble maker I am!!!!!! LOLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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