Developing the siddhis.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I know i'm going to get a lot of scrutiny for this question, but could

you consider directly telling me (as well as others who are interested

in this) how to develop siddhis thrugh khagdamala stotram. I am aware

that siddhis are a byproduct of spiritual progress. As true a that may

be, i think that, that is the answer. I was just wondering if anyone

could give me a straight answer on acquiring these capabilities without

telling me that they are a distraction.

 

Blessings to all.

[Guest guest]

Hi Deshane:

 

Wow, what a tightly worded query! You are a careful man, I can see

that; you anticipated all the possible/probable barbs. Have you

considered law as a profession? (Not an insult -- I did! *lol*)

 

Anyway, a straight question deserves a straight answer. So here it is:

Yes, you can pick up siddhis independent of bhakti -- however,

absolute mechanical precision is necessary where one wishes to bypass

the untidy necessity of devotion and grace. And that is, in itself, a

heck of a lot of work -- and requires a very good teacher (let us not

say guru, since we're avoiding the " spiritual progress " thing here;

but that's the level of expertise we're talking about).

 

So using Khadgamala (or whatever sadhana) primarily as a mechanical

means of gaining siddhis is possible, but hardly a shortcut. It's not

an easy path at all, and frankly it's not one that I much understand.

You see, it seems that you have to be pretty resolutely cynical and

atheistic to want to try to separate siddhis from spiritual progress

-- they are so intricately interwoven and organically symbiotic.

 

To put it rather crassly: Let's say to buy a car outright costs $300 a

month; to lease a car costs $295. At the end of the term, in one case

you own the vehicle; in the other, you return it to the dealer and own

nothing.

 

To my mind (and I may well be wrong; this is just an opinion), seeking

siddhis from the Khadgamala mechanically, rather than as a " byproduct "

(to use your term) of spiritual progress, is like opting for the

lease. You die, and you have nothing to take with you, nothing to show

for all that effort. While you lived, maybe you did some good tricks:

made some easy money, seduced someone who you were attracted to, got

revenge on an enemy -- but, y'know ... big whoop in the scheme of

things, na? *lol*

 

As you requested, I won't hit you with platitudes like " siddhis are a

distraction " and all that pungent fertilizer. I'll just be like your

accountant -- it's my job to advise you against an unwise investment,

but ultimately I have no stake in your decision one way or the other.

It's your money. Or in this case, your sadhana, and your life. Do what

you will!

 

Good luck, and peace

 

aim mAtangyai namaH

 

 

, " deshane_c " <deshane_c wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I know i'm going to get a lot of scrutiny for this question, but could

> you consider directly telling me (as well as others who are interested

> in this) how to develop siddhis thrugh khagdamala stotram. I am aware

> that siddhis are a byproduct of spiritual progress. As true a that may

> be, i think that, that is the answer. I was just wondering if anyone

> could give me a straight answer on acquiring these capabilities without

> telling me that they are a distraction.

>

> Blessings to all.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Devi Bhakta

I didn't mean to sound in any way atheistic. I a far from it. I love the path

of sri vidya. And I like the teaching you all have to offer. You all are doing a

great job. I hope I always have the grace of Devi in my life. I guess this all

was a stupid idea to pose this question in the first place, because i see i may

have offended you. Please accept my apologies.

 

I Wish You All Well.

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

Hi Deshane:

 

Wow, what a tightly worded query! You are a careful man, I can see

that; you anticipated all the possible/probable barbs. Have you

considered law as a profession? (Not an insult -- I did! *lol*)

 

Anyway, a straight question deserves a straight answer. So here it is:

Yes, you can pick up siddhis independent of bhakti -- however,

absolute mechanical precision is necessary where one wishes to bypass

the untidy necessity of devotion and grace. And that is, in itself, a

heck of a lot of work -- and requires a very good teacher (let us not

say guru, since we're avoiding the " spiritual progress " thing here;

but that's the level of expertise we're talking about).

 

So using Khadgamala (or whatever sadhana) primarily as a mechanical

means of gaining siddhis is possible, but hardly a shortcut. It's not

an easy path at all, and frankly it's not one that I much understand.

You see, it seems that you have to be pretty resolutely cynical and

atheistic to want to try to separate siddhis from spiritual progress

-- they are so intricately interwoven and organically symbiotic.

 

To put it rather crassly: Let's say to buy a car outright costs $300 a

month; to lease a car costs $295. At the end of the term, in one case

you own the vehicle; in the other, you return it to the dealer and own

nothing.

 

To my mind (and I may well be wrong; this is just an opinion), seeking

siddhis from the Khadgamala mechanically, rather than as a " byproduct "

(to use your term) of spiritual progress, is like opting for the

lease. You die, and you have nothing to take with you, nothing to show

for all that effort. While you lived, maybe you did some good tricks:

made some easy money, seduced someone who you were attracted to, got

revenge on an enemy -- but, y'know ... big whoop in the scheme of

things, na? *lol*

 

As you requested, I won't hit you with platitudes like " siddhis are a

distraction " and all that pungent fertilizer. I'll just be like your

accountant -- it's my job to advise you against an unwise investment,

but ultimately I have no stake in your decision one way or the other.

It's your money. Or in this case, your sadhana, and your life. Do what

you will!

 

Good luck, and peace

 

aim mAtangyai namaH

 

, " deshane_c " <deshane_c wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I know i'm going to get a lot of scrutiny for this question, but could

> you consider directly telling me (as well as others who are interested

> in this) how to develop siddhis thrugh khagdamala stotram. I am aware

> that siddhis are a byproduct of spiritual progress. As true a that may

> be, i think that, that is the answer. I was just wondering if anyone

> could give me a straight answer on acquiring these capabilities without

> telling me that they are a distraction.

>

> Blessings to all.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Deshane:

 

Why would I be offended? I was simply trying my best to reply to the

question posed -- and in my opinion, it's a perfectly legitimate

question and it was interesting to think about. My particular

conclusions may be good or bad or completely off-base, who knows? It

is just a conversation. Nothing stupid or offensive about it.

 

I do have to admit that I am curious about where you're coming from,

if you care to share. You seem to understands siddhis as being

intimately tied to spiritual progress; you love Sri Vidya. You seem to

have a good contextual grasp of the topic. So is your question purely

theoretical, or is it practical in relation to some specific

situation? Would be interesting to know, and probably easier to reply.

 

With all best regards

 

aim mAtangyai namaH

 

, Taron Chandler <deshane_c

wrote:

>

> Hello Devi Bhakta

> I didn't mean to sound in any way atheistic. I a far from it. I

love the path of sri vidya. And I like the teaching you all have to

offer. You all are doing a great job. I hope I always have the grace

of Devi in my life. I guess this all was a stupid idea to pose this

question in the first place, because i see i may have offended you.

Please accept my apologies.

>

> I Wish You All Well.

>

> Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

> Hi Deshane:

>

> Wow, what a tightly worded query! You are a careful man, I can see

> that; you anticipated all the possible/probable barbs. Have you

> considered law as a profession? (Not an insult -- I did! *lol*)

>

> Anyway, a straight question deserves a straight answer. So here it is:

> Yes, you can pick up siddhis independent of bhakti -- however,

> absolute mechanical precision is necessary where one wishes to bypass

> the untidy necessity of devotion and grace. And that is, in itself, a

> heck of a lot of work -- and requires a very good teacher (let us not

> say guru, since we're avoiding the " spiritual progress " thing here;

> but that's the level of expertise we're talking about).

>

> So using Khadgamala (or whatever sadhana) primarily as a mechanical

> means of gaining siddhis is possible, but hardly a shortcut. It's not

> an easy path at all, and frankly it's not one that I much understand.

> You see, it seems that you have to be pretty resolutely cynical and

> atheistic to want to try to separate siddhis from spiritual progress

> -- they are so intricately interwoven and organically symbiotic.

>

> To put it rather crassly: Let's say to buy a car outright costs $300 a

> month; to lease a car costs $295. At the end of the term, in one case

> you own the vehicle; in the other, you return it to the dealer and own

> nothing.

>

> To my mind (and I may well be wrong; this is just an opinion), seeking

> siddhis from the Khadgamala mechanically, rather than as a " byproduct "

> (to use your term) of spiritual progress, is like opting for the

> lease. You die, and you have nothing to take with you, nothing to show

> for all that effort. While you lived, maybe you did some good tricks:

> made some easy money, seduced someone who you were attracted to, got

> revenge on an enemy -- but, y'know ... big whoop in the scheme of

> things, na? *lol*

>

> As you requested, I won't hit you with platitudes like " siddhis are a

> distraction " and all that pungent fertilizer. I'll just be like your

> accountant -- it's my job to advise you against an unwise investment,

> but ultimately I have no stake in your decision one way or the other.

> It's your money. Or in this case, your sadhana, and your life. Do what

> you will!

>

> Good luck, and peace

>

> aim mAtangyai namaH

>

> , " deshane_c " <deshane_c@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> > I know i'm going to get a lot of scrutiny for this question, but

could

> > you consider directly telling me (as well as others who are

interested

> > in this) how to develop siddhis thrugh khagdamala stotram. I am aware

> > that siddhis are a byproduct of spiritual progress. As true a that

may

> > be, i think that, that is the answer. I was just wondering if anyone

> > could give me a straight answer on acquiring these capabilities

without

> > telling me that they are a distraction.

> >

> > Blessings to all.

> between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deshane:

 

Since I'm not an enlightened guru, I can't give you a complete answer, but I'll

take a shot at it. I believe the siddhis are related to the movement of the

kundalini through your spine. When you meditate it is important to sit straight

up to allow this energy to move up. I personally also believe in physical

exercise, going out in nature, and getting some sunshine.

 

Next, the Khagdamala Stotram is about the Sri Chakra. It literally opens this

up. I have found that if you take the Sri Chakra, and practice focusing on the

middle of the Sri Chakra for a period of time it will deeply impact your

unconscious mind. It's powerful. It's best to not think of anything as you focus

on it or you could chant one of the root mantras as you focus.

 

Shanti Om,

Shankari

 

 

 

deshane_c <deshane_c wrote: Hello,

I know i'm going to get a lot of scrutiny for this question, but could

you consider directly telling me (as well as others who are interested

in this) how to develop siddhis thrugh khagdamala stotram. I am aware

that siddhis are a byproduct of spiritual progress. As true a that may

be, i think that, that is the answer. I was just wondering if anyone

could give me a straight answer on acquiring these capabilities without

telling me that they are a distraction.

 

Blessings to all.

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

From a posting by Arjuna to another group:

 

Quote

The vision of 8 siddhis in Kashmiri Shaivism

(according to Mahartha-manjari and

Paratrimshika-vivarana).

 

aNimA (becoming small) – the capacity of awareness of

your own presence in objects

mahimA (becoming large) – the capacity of

consciousness to permeate all things

laghimA (becoming light) – the capacity to go above

the gross world of multitude

garimA (becoming heavy) – the capacity of getting

gross forms from own undivided consciousness

prApti (achieving) – the capacity to follow your own

true nature

prAkAmya (fulfilling of desires) – the capacity to

realize the multitude of the existence

vashitvA (control) – the capacity to do your will

IshitvA (ownership) – the perfect freedom

 

Unquote

 

May be Siddhis themselves indicate spiritual progress.

 

 

 

--- deshane_c <deshane_c wrote:

 

> Hello,

> I know i'm going to get a lot of scrutiny for this

> question, but could

> you consider directly telling me (as well as others

> who are interested

> in this) how to develop siddhis thrugh khagdamala

> stotram. I am aware

> that siddhis are a byproduct of spiritual progress.

> As true a that may

> be, i think that, that is the answer. I was just

> wondering if anyone

> could give me a straight answer on acquiring these

> capabilities without

> telling me that they are a distraction.

>

> Blessings to all.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello all

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I've just always wondered why people always said that siddhis should

be avoided and that they are a hinderance. It was never my intention

to make you think that I was talking about developing siddhis

independent of Bhakta. That's not what i'm here for. I just wondered

how exactly they are developed thruogh Khagdamala Stotram and why

they are frowned upon so much. It seems that if you chant faithfully

with devotion, have good intentions that they could be used to do

good with and help people. It seems like everytime someone mentions

the word siddhi, people are quick to say that they are no good or

worthless, that they are only a byproduct. I'm sure there is a

perfect explanation to it. Again I appreciate everyone who replied.

Thank You

 

PS

When I said I love Sri Vidya, I meant that I love the teachings and

the Path itself.

 

 

 

, " Devi Bhakta "

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Dear Deshane:

>

> Why would I be offended? I was simply trying my best to reply to the

> question posed -- and in my opinion, it's a perfectly legitimate

> question and it was interesting to think about. My particular

> conclusions may be good or bad or completely off-base, who knows? It

> is just a conversation. Nothing stupid or offensive about it.

>

> I do have to admit that I am curious about where you're coming from,

> if you care to share. You seem to understands siddhis as being

> intimately tied to spiritual progress; you love Sri Vidya. You seem

to

> have a good contextual grasp of the topic. So is your question

purely

> theoretical, or is it practical in relation to some specific

> situation? Would be interesting to know, and probably easier to

reply.

>

> With all best regards

>

> aim mAtangyai namaH

>

> , Taron Chandler <deshane_c@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Devi Bhakta

> > I didn't mean to sound in any way atheistic. I a far from it. I

> love the path of sri vidya. And I like the teaching you all have to

> offer. You all are doing a great job. I hope I always have the grace

> of Devi in my life. I guess this all was a stupid idea to pose this

> question in the first place, because i see i may have offended you.

> Please accept my apologies.

> >

> > I Wish You All Well.

> >

> > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta@> wrote:

> > Hi Deshane:

> >

> > Wow, what a tightly worded query! You are a careful man, I can see

> > that; you anticipated all the possible/probable barbs. Have you

> > considered law as a profession? (Not an insult -- I did! *lol*)

> >

> > Anyway, a straight question deserves a straight answer. So here

it is:

> > Yes, you can pick up siddhis independent of bhakti -- however,

> > absolute mechanical precision is necessary where one wishes to

bypass

> > the untidy necessity of devotion and grace. And that is, in

itself, a

> > heck of a lot of work -- and requires a very good teacher (let us

not

> > say guru, since we're avoiding the " spiritual progress " thing

here;

> > but that's the level of expertise we're talking about).

> >

> > So using Khadgamala (or whatever sadhana) primarily as a

mechanical

> > means of gaining siddhis is possible, but hardly a shortcut. It's

not

> > an easy path at all, and frankly it's not one that I much

understand.

> > You see, it seems that you have to be pretty resolutely cynical

and

> > atheistic to want to try to separate siddhis from spiritual

progress

> > -- they are so intricately interwoven and organically symbiotic.

> >

> > To put it rather crassly: Let's say to buy a car outright costs

$300 a

> > month; to lease a car costs $295. At the end of the term, in one

case

> > you own the vehicle; in the other, you return it to the dealer

and own

> > nothing.

> >

> > To my mind (and I may well be wrong; this is just an opinion),

seeking

> > siddhis from the Khadgamala mechanically, rather than as

a " byproduct "

> > (to use your term) of spiritual progress, is like opting for the

> > lease. You die, and you have nothing to take with you, nothing to

show

> > for all that effort. While you lived, maybe you did some good

tricks:

> > made some easy money, seduced someone who you were attracted to,

got

> > revenge on an enemy -- but, y'know ... big whoop in the scheme of

> > things, na? *lol*

> >

> > As you requested, I won't hit you with platitudes like " siddhis

are a

> > distraction " and all that pungent fertilizer. I'll just be like

your

> > accountant -- it's my job to advise you against an unwise

investment,

> > but ultimately I have no stake in your decision one way or the

other.

> > It's your money. Or in this case, your sadhana, and your life. Do

what

> > you will!

> >

> > Good luck, and peace

> >

> > aim mAtangyai namaH

> >

> > , " deshane_c " <deshane_c@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I know i'm going to get a lot of scrutiny for this question, but

> could

> > > you consider directly telling me (as well as others who are

> interested

> > > in this) how to develop siddhis thrugh khagdamala stotram. I am

aware

> > > that siddhis are a byproduct of spiritual progress. As true a

that

> may

> > > be, i think that, that is the answer. I was just wondering if

anyone

> > > could give me a straight answer on acquiring these capabilities

> without

> > > telling me that they are a distraction.

> > >

> > > Blessings to all.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99

> >

> >