Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part

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Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part, short about

Three Lingas

 

 

Three main Lingas we have.

 

1.

 

First is material form which usually call Linga. Shiva, Kriya, and Ishta

is older names for this outside or material form. We have and few parts

of one very holy Linga in Kaaba which have and next two deeper forms)!

Today have many cults which haven't real knowledge about inner form and

way for enter in process bhakti, jnana, dhyana - and have only parts of

this knowledge because usually make only puja.

Inside each regular Kriya/Ishta linga is Shiva linga.

Kriya/Ishta Linga present form of awaking conciousness which is feeling

conciousness (bhakti, pure love, first devotional state, dominant kriya

shakti - any action God is love) and have and deeper level conciousness

inside as willing conciousness (dominant icha shakti, love have exact

real direction, or life, quality, quantity, intention,..).

 

 

2.

Next and inner form of linga is Pranalinga.

This is Linga from inner light. Saints from old time teach people about

form Linga because this great souls see " Divine soul in Linga " . Divine

Soul has divine aura which is exact form linga. Position of Soul which

old saint see (in aura) is form Shiva Linga.

Now we have two forms in one. Outside is like sharp ball on the water

(sphere which haven't part in down), and inside is form body in position

watching Linga on the left palm.

Shivalinga is symbolic form: part sphere form is only symbolic form of

head (haven't nothing with phallus), middle form of Shivalinga is

symbolic form of left palm and higher part of body from heart/navel to

neck (haven't nothing with vulva) and on palm is subtle/invisible Linga,

lower part of Shivalinga is symbolic form of lower part of body from

navel to legs.

Pranalinga present form of sleeping conciousness which is cognition

conciousness (third devotional or bhakti state, where is dominant jnana

shakti - any direct knowing is God love) and have and deeper level

conciousness inside as intuition conciousness. This is point reflection

conciousness on the lower states or enter in higher form (execution)

conciousness which is only base reflection of intuition conciousness.

 

 

3.

 

Deepest form Linga is Mahalinga.

This is very high dynamic form, with very high speed rotations and

quietness (of extremely higher forms inner lights and inner sounds which

is incorporate simultaneously), and all this is complete beyond mind.

Very difficult find any reasonable words for intellect. Much deepest and

complexes forms than in illusion when we look car which go in one

direction, but all time wheels go on opposite direction. Here all forms

have source or there is real place for resolve all illusions and then

direct see God (or enter in complete conciousness). This extreme

rotations have outside form Linga (sphere without lower part).

There where all (para, chit, ananda, jnana, icha and kriya) shaktis

deepest with Shiva, became completed in One Conciousness or enter in

reflection as lower conciousness.

This conciousness can abide as one conciousness on lower level as

Pranalinga or as conciousness which reflected as thought in mind and

intellect (or became omitted, or limited conciousness) which present as

all outside forms of pranalinga.

Mahalinga present form of deep sleeping conciousness which is execution

conciousness (fifth devotional or bhakti state) and have and deeper

level conciousness inside as union conciousness (sixth devotional or

bhakti state) when haven't separation in conciousness.

 

Because each of this three Lingas have two Lingas, exactly we have 6

Lingas*** or 6 levels conciousness or conciousness and five reflections.

Now is open: not any creation all is only reflection, all is one

conciousness, or all is One!

Real teachings is only part of this! This is and real meaning in

doctrines hexagram, pentagram, and six days creation,..

 

 

Next facts

 

Shape of outside Linga is like shape inside Lingas which is from lights.

This Linga's shape is open only through inner experiences.

When real saint call God, or better say make proper invocation to

sanctify shape Linga (which made in one stone), and when properly make

sanctify one small part of conciousness enter in stone, and stone became

sacred. Of course and today many try make Linga, but result is very

different from this what will be necessary.

Linga is from oldest teaching, and connection with this knowledge have

and spread great prophet Mohammed (and today we have only few parts one

from this sacred stone in Kaaba). Have doctrines which want explain God

and His creation like eggs, but haven't this crucial static part or

horizontal base Linga. Haven't any part under base complete invisible

and static on the all levels, and when seeker truth try to find anything

deeper.Shape Linga (and through original Kaaba's sacred stone) on this

way teach us: God is inside all His emanation (energy, creation) as base

which give all.

 

Original colour Linga is white in Gold / Krita Yuga, but today is black

because in last period is Kali Yuga!

This black colour is originate and with colour pigment in pineal gland,

which exact deep indigo colour (very close black).

 

Today we have many religion variations and teachings, and very probably

lose many crucial points. Direct prayer to God (five prayers per day

teach us God through Islam) is very simple form, but today people have

many rules and variations. This is bad, through this rules nobody can't

enter deeper then level which produce this rules! This is not God. When

we accept deepest form which higher then any intellectual efforts, and

we for this have all time direct highest God's form or Linga! This way

is only intuitional way or through open heart (consciously way).

 

Form developed pineal gland is form Linga, now pineal gland is in

rudiment state, through psychic development pineal gland became active

and in bigger form like small linga (sweet cherry size).

Old syntagmas Philosophy Stone, Elixir Immortality is linga of course:

linga outside, pineal gland inside body, or better say linga on all and

deeper levels!

 

One span in front (where finish magnetic's part of aura) of forehead is

lens pineal gland, for helping in develop this lens we must put in same

place linga which must be full initiate for this praxis.

 

Pineal gland have and cells very like one type cells in eyes, or better

say we can through pineal gland see one part of vibration. This is sixth

sense or Intuition Eye, Third Eye (have many names in traditions).

 

 

Dear seeker truth, thanks for reading and asking, we continue.. I hope,

after this few words you can find better meaning of Linga (or sacred

stones with this shape).

 

 

***

 

 

Six Bhaktis through:

 

Six Lingas---------------Six Angas-------------- Six Bhaktis

 

Acaralinga ------------- Bhakta ---------------- Srddhabhakti

Gurulinga -------------- Mahesa --------------- Nisthabhakti

Sivalinga --------------- Prasadi --------------- Avadhanabhakti

Jangamalinga --------- Pranalingi ------------ Anubhavabhakti

Prasadalinga ---------- Sharana -------------- Anandabhakti

Mahalinga -------------- Aikya ----------------- Samarasabhakti

 

This is part of old teaching which we today call Shivayoga as perfect

Bhakti Yoga - Integral Bhakti Yoga - Integral Yoga.

 

Bhakti is as Divine Key! Bhakti is first and last! Bhakti is all!

 

Only Bhakti is enough.

Om Namah Shivaya

 

Warm Regards

Mahapratibhawan

 

 

 

PS

 

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This account I think is a misrepresentation and misinterpretation of

facts. Some orthodox people may have jugupsa for the fact that Linga is

Linga, Penis and Yoni is Female Genitals. Crux of Sakti sadhana is

worship of Yoni and is evidenced by Kamakhya.

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " Branko Ivatovic "

<mahapratibhawan wrote:

>

> Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part, short about

> Three Lingas

>

>

> Three main Lingas we have.

>

> 1.

>

> First is material form which usually call Linga. Shiva, Kriya, and

Ishta

> is older names for this outside or material form. We have and few

parts

> of one very holy Linga in Kaaba which have and next two deeper forms)!

> Today have many cults which haven't real knowledge about inner form

and

> way for enter in process bhakti, jnana, dhyana - and have only parts

of

> this knowledge because usually make only puja.

> Inside each regular Kriya/Ishta linga is Shiva linga.

> Kriya/Ishta Linga present form of awaking conciousness which is

feeling

> conciousness (bhakti, pure love, first devotional state, dominant

kriya

> shakti - any action God is love) and have and deeper level

conciousness

> inside as willing conciousness (dominant icha shakti, love have exact

> real direction, or life, quality, quantity, intention,..).

>

>

> 2.

> Next and inner form of linga is Pranalinga.

> This is Linga from inner light. Saints from old time teach people

about

> form Linga because this great souls see " Divine soul in Linga " . Divine

> Soul has divine aura which is exact form linga. Position of Soul which

> old saint see (in aura) is form Shiva Linga.

> Now we have two forms in one. Outside is like sharp ball on the water

> (sphere which haven't part in down), and inside is form body in

position

> watching Linga on the left palm.

> Shivalinga is symbolic form: part sphere form is only symbolic form of

> head (haven't nothing with phallus), middle form of Shivalinga is

> symbolic form of left palm and higher part of body from heart/navel to

> neck (haven't nothing with vulva) and on palm is subtle/invisible

Linga,

> lower part of Shivalinga is symbolic form of lower part of body from

> navel to legs.

> Pranalinga present form of sleeping conciousness which is cognition

> conciousness (third devotional or bhakti state, where is dominant

jnana

> shakti - any direct knowing is God love) and have and deeper level

> conciousness inside as intuition conciousness. This is point

reflection

> conciousness on the lower states or enter in higher form (execution)

> conciousness which is only base reflection of intuition conciousness.

>

>

> 3.

>

> Deepest form Linga is Mahalinga.

> This is very high dynamic form, with very high speed rotations and

> quietness (of extremely higher forms inner lights and inner sounds

which

> is incorporate simultaneously), and all this is complete beyond mind.

> Very difficult find any reasonable words for intellect. Much deepest

and

> complexes forms than in illusion when we look car which go in one

> direction, but all time wheels go on opposite direction. Here all

forms

> have source or there is real place for resolve all illusions and then

> direct see God (or enter in complete conciousness). This extreme

> rotations have outside form Linga (sphere without lower part).

> There where all (para, chit, ananda, jnana, icha and kriya) shaktis

> deepest with Shiva, became completed in One Conciousness or enter in

> reflection as lower conciousness.

> This conciousness can abide as one conciousness on lower level as

> Pranalinga or as conciousness which reflected as thought in mind and

> intellect (or became omitted, or limited conciousness) which present

as

> all outside forms of pranalinga.

> Mahalinga present form of deep sleeping conciousness which is

execution

> conciousness (fifth devotional or bhakti state) and have and deeper

> level conciousness inside as union conciousness (sixth devotional or

> bhakti state) when haven't separation in conciousness.

>

> Because each of this three Lingas have two Lingas, exactly we have 6

> Lingas*** or 6 levels conciousness or conciousness and five

reflections.

> Now is open: not any creation all is only reflection, all is one

> conciousness, or all is One!

> Real teachings is only part of this! This is and real meaning in

> doctrines hexagram, pentagram, and six days creation,..

>

>

> Next facts

>

> Shape of outside Linga is like shape inside Lingas which is from

lights.

> This Linga's shape is open only through inner experiences.

> When real saint call God, or better say make proper invocation to

> sanctify shape Linga (which made in one stone), and when properly make

> sanctify one small part of conciousness enter in stone, and stone

became

> sacred. Of course and today many try make Linga, but result is very

> different from this what will be necessary.

> Linga is from oldest teaching, and connection with this knowledge have

> and spread great prophet Mohammed (and today we have only few parts

one

> from this sacred stone in Kaaba). Have doctrines which want explain

God

> and His creation like eggs, but haven't this crucial static part or

> horizontal base Linga. Haven't any part under base complete invisible

> and static on the all levels, and when seeker truth try to find

anything

> deeper.Shape Linga (and through original Kaaba's sacred stone) on this

> way teach us: God is inside all His emanation (energy, creation) as

base

> which give all.

>

> Original colour Linga is white in Gold / Krita Yuga, but today is

black

> because in last period is Kali Yuga!

> This black colour is originate and with colour pigment in pineal

gland,

> which exact deep indigo colour (very close black).

>

> Today we have many religion variations and teachings, and very

probably

> lose many crucial points. Direct prayer to God (five prayers per day

> teach us God through Islam) is very simple form, but today people have

> many rules and variations. This is bad, through this rules nobody

can't

> enter deeper then level which produce this rules! This is not God.

When

> we accept deepest form which higher then any intellectual efforts, and

> we for this have all time direct highest God's form or Linga! This way

> is only intuitional way or through open heart (consciously way).

>

> Form developed pineal gland is form Linga, now pineal gland is in

> rudiment state, through psychic development pineal gland became active

> and in bigger form like small linga (sweet cherry size).

> Old syntagmas Philosophy Stone, Elixir Immortality is linga of course:

> linga outside, pineal gland inside body, or better say linga on all

and

> deeper levels!

>

> One span in front (where finish magnetic's part of aura) of forehead

is

> lens pineal gland, for helping in develop this lens we must put in

same

> place linga which must be full initiate for this praxis.

>

> Pineal gland have and cells very like one type cells in eyes, or

better

> say we can through pineal gland see one part of vibration. This is

sixth

> sense or Intuition Eye, Third Eye (have many names in traditions).

>

>

> Dear seeker truth, thanks for reading and asking, we continue.. I

hope,

> after this few words you can find better meaning of Linga (or sacred

> stones with this shape).

>

>

> ***

>

>

> Six Bhaktis through:

>

> Six Lingas---------------Six Angas-------------- Six Bhaktis

>

> Acaralinga ------------- Bhakta ---------------- Srddhabhakti

> Gurulinga -------------- Mahesa --------------- Nisthabhakti

> Sivalinga --------------- Prasadi --------------- Avadhanabhakti

> Jangamalinga --------- Pranalingi ------------ Anubhavabhakti

> Prasadalinga ---------- Sharana -------------- Anandabhakti

> Mahalinga -------------- Aikya ----------------- Samarasabhakti

>

> This is part of old teaching which we today call Shivayoga as perfect

> Bhakti Yoga - Integral Bhakti Yoga - Integral Yoga.

>

> Bhakti is as Divine Key! Bhakti is first and last! Bhakti is all!

>

> Only Bhakti is enough.

> Om Namah Shivaya

>

> Warm Regards

> Mahapratibhawan

>

>

>

> PS

>

> Two links for read first two articles

>

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[Guest guest]

Hari,

 

The concept of Linga is given below. These are the words of Swami

Vivekananda

 

" The worship of Siva can be traced back to Atharva Veda. The worship

of the Siva Lingam originated from the famous hymn in the " Atharva

Veda Samhita " , sung in praise of the Yupastambha, the sacrificial

post which gave place in time to the Siva Lingam and was deified as

Lord Siva. This Yupastambha is described as without begin and end.

This Yupastambha represents the Vedic concept of the brightness of

Siva's body, akasa as his hair, sacrificial fumes as his blue throat

etc "

 

Yoni (the base / peeta of linga) is the Chit and Linga is the Agni

(the Jyotir Linga) in Dahara Akasa (Cave of Heart). He is the Chit

Agni that shines in Dahara Akasa with Nada Brahma. Yoni is the also

called the Bliss as the Veda says " Anando brahmeti yonih " .

 

In Tantra, taking these aspects of Chit & Agni has been taken as Yoni

and Linga. Both Yoni and Linga constitute Chit Agni which is of the

form of Fire of Bliss, Knowledge, Existence Absolute.

 

However, there are certain influences of Saktha concepts in early rig

vedic period, and these conceptions have been framed by Kaulas.

Because, Kaula concept was the primitive and ancient form of upasana

in India.

 

S Rao

 

 

Srinivas Rao

[Guest guest]

Dear sir,

 

I don't want to comment on Swami Vivekananda's words. Whether he gave a

proper presentation of Ramakrishna to the world is a question for which

you may seek an answer in yourself. Vivekananda was a part of the

English educated Bengali elite which despised Tantra and so has

interpreted everything of Indian spirituality against the backdrop of

Vedanta - the spiritual jargon created in Sanskrit and rendered into

irresolvable complications by the commentaries of Sankaracharya-1. So

there is nothing surprising in his explanation of Linga and Yoni as

abstractions found in some Vedic philosophical discussion.

 

I am reproducing below an account that may be helpful in understanding

the real picture. Diacritical marks may cause some format error but

still I hope the verses will be readable.

..On Phallus Worship

 

 

The following account by Dandekar may help us in understanding the

historical context of Phallus worship:

 

 

 

" RGB's treatment of phallus-worship is rather inadequate. And

this is quite understandable, for, he did not have before him the

considerable archaeological material, which has become available in

recent times. The tradition of Phallus worship in India is, indeed, very

ancient. It has been suggested that the Neolithic people in South India

were primarily worshippers of linga. Evidence is produced in this

connection of the Kapagallu hill in Bellary district, where one sees a

linga together with a bull in a crouching position. Be that as it

may, there is certainly far more definite and far more profuse evidence

regarding phallus-worship, which has been unearthed in the Indus valley.

The conical terracotta objects with rounded tops and the ring-stones

discovered in the Indus Valley are, without doubt, the symbols of

linga and yoni respectively….

 

 

 

It is not unlikely that the worship of the Phallus, which as evidenced

by its almost universal dissemination, must have been a natural

development in the history of human culture, had grown in India

independently in the hoary past and that it came to be associated with

the religion of the ithyphallic god only at some later date….

 

 

 

As phallus worship was supposed to have been unknown to the Veda, it was

suggested that it had originated among the Dravidian races or among the

Western nations and even among the Greeks. For one thing, it is not

correct to say that phallus-worship was unknown to the Vedic

poet-priests; indeed they knew it and abhorred it as is indicated by

their attitude towards the ´Si´snadevas. And, secondly, in view

of its universal diffusion in very ancient times, the question regarding

its origin is rendered almost irrelevant " .

 

 

 

We find in the Mahabharata a very clear mention of the

supremacy of Linga worship at:

 

 

 

Anu´sasana Parva: 14:232 – 235[1]:

 

 

 

Yasya brahma ca Visnu´sca tvam capi

saha daivataih I

 

Arcayadhvam sada

lingam tasmacchesthatamo hi sah II

 

 

 

 " Brahma, Visnu and all other gods have

been worshipping ´Sivalinga always and obviously he is the

greatest of all gods " .

 

 

 

Na padmanka, na

cakranka, na vajrÄňka yatah

prajah I

 

Linganka ca

bhaganka ca tasmanmahe´svari praja

II

 

 

 

" The creation is neither characterized by Lotus (the emblem of

Brahma) nor by the Cakra (the emblem of Visnu) nor by

the Vajra (the emblem of Indra). But they are characterized by the

Linga and by the Yoni (emblems of ´Siva). Therefore all

creations are born of Mahe´svara " .

 

 

 

Devyah

karanarupabhavajanitah sarva

bhagankah striyo I

 

Lingenapi harasya sarvapurusÄh

pratyaksacinhikrtah II

 

 

 

Yo¦nyatkaranami´svarat pravadate

devya ca yannankitam I

 

Trilokye sacaracare sa tu puman bahyo

bhaved durmatih II

 

 

 

" All females are manifestation of the Devi and are therefore adorned

with the yoni and males likewise are adorned with the mark

Linga of ´Siva – evident to all. If anyone credits any

creation to any other cause and is devoid of the signifying mark, he is

fit to be thrown out of the three worlds " .

 

 

 

Pullingam sarvami´sanam

Strilingam viddhi capyumam I

 

Dvabhyam tanubhyam vyaptam hi

caracaramidam jagat II 235 II

 

 

 

" Know i´sana to be the male organ and Uma to be the

female one. All this world is a manifestation of these two organs " .

 

 

It is well evident from the above accounts that the worship of ´Siva

vis-à-vis Tantrik Mahakala or Time as Phallus

certainly has an antiquity comparable to the Vedas and perhaps even

more. Not only the modern but also the medieval and epic Hindu religion

stemmed from a Tantrik past rather than exclusively Vedic as is

made out to be by certain class of scholarship. This is true about the

origins of astronomy and astrology also – they are by-products of

the Tantric pursuance of Yoga and mukti or the Serpent power

Kundalini seated on the Muladhara of both

the cosmic and the terrestrial beings.

 

 

 

 

 

[1] Mahabharata, Gita Press Edition, 1981.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " srinivasrao197080 "

<srinivasrao197080 wrote:

>

> Hari,

>

> The concept of Linga is given below. These are the words of Swami

> Vivekananda

>

> " The worship of Siva can be traced back to Atharva Veda. The worship

> of the Siva Lingam originated from the famous hymn in the " Atharva

> Veda Samhita " , sung in praise of the Yupastambha, the sacrificial

> post which gave place in time to the Siva Lingam and was deified as

> Lord Siva. This Yupastambha is described as without begin and end.

> This Yupastambha represents the Vedic concept of the brightness of

> Siva's body, akasa as his hair, sacrificial fumes as his blue throat

> etc "

>

> Yoni (the base / peeta of linga) is the Chit and Linga is the Agni

> (the Jyotir Linga) in Dahara Akasa (Cave of Heart). He is the Chit

> Agni that shines in Dahara Akasa with Nada Brahma. Yoni is the also

> called the Bliss as the Veda says " Anando brahmeti yonih " .

>

> In Tantra, taking these aspects of Chit & Agni has been taken as Yoni

> and Linga. Both Yoni and Linga constitute Chit Agni which is of the

> form of Fire of Bliss, Knowledge, Existence Absolute.

>

> However, there are certain influences of Saktha concepts in early rig

> vedic period, and these conceptions have been framed by Kaulas.

> Because, Kaula concept was the primitive and ancient form of upasana

> in India.

>

> S Rao

>

>

> Srinivas Rao

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear hari,

 

When you denounced vivekananda, how did you accept Prof. Dandekar.

Dandekar, whom i personally know, was a historian no doubt, but

twisted our scriptures as per his own athiestical findings.

 

Dandekar, doctorate in philosophy from Pune University, was

influenced by communism and athiesm. My guru taught personally

sankara advaita and purva mimamsa to dandekar. But he never believed

in vedas. And as per the our tradition, one who does not believe in

vedic authority, we call them " ATHIEST " .

 

His words and works are no authority for us. He has distorted many

historical facts under the influence of marxism. I am sorry if i have

hurt your feelings.

 

S.Rao

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

>

> Dear sir,

>

> I don't want to comment on Swami Vivekananda's words. Whether he

gave a

> proper presentation of Ramakrishna to the world is a question for

which

> you may seek an answer in yourself. Vivekananda was a part of the

> English educated Bengali elite which despised Tantra and so has

> interpreted everything of Indian spirituality against the backdrop

of

> Vedanta - the spiritual jargon created in Sanskrit and rendered into

> irresolvable complications by the commentaries of Sankaracharya-1.

So

> there is nothing surprising in his explanation of Linga and Yoni as

> abstractions found in some Vedic philosophical discussion.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

I quoted Dandekar for the summary of historical evidences that he

presented in his essay. It is not me but the quotes from Mahabharata

that denounce Swami Vivekananda's interpretation.

 

Arunopanishad and few isolated Vedic teachings may be there which refer

to Sakti worship owing to the subscription of the same from

Dravidian/Naga tribes. Otherwise Vedas have nothing to do with Sakti

worship. This is evident from the teachings of Swami Dayanand Sarasvati.

 

As I have read about, the word Puja is not to be found in any of the

Vedas.

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " srinivasrao197080 "

<srinivasrao197080 wrote:

>

> Dear hari,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear hari,

 

The veda teaches only one god and that is Agni. The physical fire is

just a representation for this Agni of vedas. That is why great

importance is given to worship of fire or agni in sanatana dharma.

This has given rise to agni hotra. Gayatri is an embodiment of Fire.

Rig veda which is the ancient one mentions in one of its rik " Akshare

parame vyoman " This rik elucidates the concept of evolution of cosmos

from pranava nada. This pranava is explained in veda as the Milch

cow. The saraswati suktam praises this Milch cow as Dhenu. The milk

from Dhenu is speech in the form of 4 stages para, pashyanti,

madhyama and vaikhari. These are described as 4 planes of human

consciousness. It is this Agni which assumes the form of Nada in the

form of Fire and enters the mouth in the form of speech. Hence, veda

say " agnir vai vaak bhutva mukham pravishat " . Veda declare " om iti

eka aksharam brahma, agnir devata... " . Which means, Pranava is the

Brahma in the form of Sound and the presiding diety is fire.

 

Agni in veda is worshipped both in feminine and masculine gender. The

Rudra or Shiva is the Agni in Masculine gender. While performing

Mahanyasa, several mantras are invoked. Among them, one is " Rudro va

eshat agnihi " . Which means, Rudra is the form of Agni.

 

The same Agni when worshipped as Feminine gender becomes Vanadurga,

Kali, Pratyangira, Lakshmi, Saraswathi etc.

 

This feminine agni is described in Srisuktam as Jatavedas. The

effulgence of this Agni is the Lakshmi which is auspiciousness and

prosperity. Hence the rik says " hiranyavarnaam harinim suvarna

rajatasrajaam, chandra hiranmayeem lakshmim jatavedo ma avaha " . All

the 15 riks are the extolls of Agni in the form of Feminine gender.

 

This feminine agni is described in Durga Suktam as " Jatavedase

sunavama somam aratiyato ni dahati vedaha " . In one of this riks, the

goddess durga is invoked as Agni " Taam agni varnaam tapasa jwalantim

vairochanim karmaphaleshu jushtaam, durgaam devim sharanamaham

prapadye sutarasi tarase namah " . The word " DURGA " is taken from this

rik of Rig veda and a wonderful tantric cult has been evolved

called " Vanadurga Kalpa " . Sri Vidyaranya Tirtha has mentioned this in

his rig veda bhashya.

 

Now, the concept of Srividya and its theory of evolution is mentioned

in couple of Rig veda suktas. One is " asya vaamasya suktam " and

other is " Nasadiya Suktam " . Please go through it.

 

There are several such instances in rig veda, from which the sakti

worship originated. Devi Suktam and Ratri Suktam that are the basic

primer for recital of chandi are from Rig Veda. Devi suktam extolls

the Vak - the Speech. Ratri Suktam extols the Ratri Devata, which is

the Yoga Nidra Swarupini in the form of Bliss Absolute.

 

I have great respect for Swami Dayananda Saraswathi and especially

for his veda bhashyas. But he decried Idol worship. It is true that

Idol worship was not present in Vedic era. But due to the decline of

mental purity, puranic concepts have been evolved to suit the layment

as well as the scholar. Our religion is constructive not destructive

unlike others.

 

Srividya finds its roots in Veda. And that is what Shankara and

Gaudapada preached by establishing 4 amnaaya pitas in 4 corners of

the country. They preached nothing new. It is there in Vedas and

hence Srividya is called Brahmavidya. Upaasya devata of Srividya is

Lalitha Tripurasundari which is the dual aspect of Shiva and Shakti.

She is Nirguna as well as Saguna. She is Purna Brahmaswarupini and is

beyond all the names and forms. She is beyond the feel of sense

organs, mind, intellect and congnizance. And hence, She is the A-

sparsha (that which cannot be touched by our mind and intellect).

Gaudapada explains this principle while writing the commentary on

Mandukya Karikas.

 

She is the Chit Swarupini that sports in the Cave of Heart. She is

Chit(Yoni) Agni (linga). And hence, she is of the form of Kameswara

and Kameswari. She dances at Chidambara Kshetra as Sivakamasundari

along with Nataraja.

 

She cannot be approached with our limited intellect and debates.

 

Srinivas rao

 

 

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I quoted Dandekar for the summary of historical evidences that he

> presented in his essay. It is not me but the quotes from

Mahabharata

> that denounce Swami Vivekananda's interpretation.

>

> Arunopanishad and few isolated Vedic teachings may be there which

refer

> to Sakti worship owing to the subscription of the same from

> Dravidian/Naga tribes. Otherwise Vedas have nothing to do with Sakti

> worship. This is evident from the teachings of Swami Dayanand

Sarasvati.

>

> As I have read about, the word Puja is not to be found in any of the

> Vedas.

>

> chandra hari

>

>

> , " srinivasrao197080 "

> <srinivasrao197080@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear hari,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

I admire your scholarship. There have been many such scholars and have

given many such interpretations. Beyond the words what is your

experience of Chandika?

 

Can you provide a contrast of Chandika of the Saktas (Tantrik tradition)

and the Chandika of the Vedas?

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " srinivasrao197080 "

<srinivasrao197080 wrote:

>

> Dear hari,

>

> The veda teaches only one god and that is Agni. The physical fire is

> just a representation for this Agni of vedas. That is why great

> importance is given to worship of fire or agni in sanatana dharma.

> This has given rise to agni hotra. Gayatri is an embodiment of Fire.

> Rig veda which is the ancient one mentions in one of its rik " Akshare

> parame vyoman " This rik elucidates the concept of evolution of cosmos

> from pranava nada. This pranava is explained in veda as the Milch

> cow. The saraswati suktam praises this Milch cow as Dhenu. The milk

> from Dhenu is speech in the form of 4 stages para, pashyanti,

> madhyama and vaikhari. These are described as 4 planes of human

> consciousness. It is this Agni which assumes the form of Nada in the

> form of Fire and enters the mouth in the form of speech. Hence, veda

> say " agnir vai vaak bhutva mukham pravishat " . Veda declare " om iti

> eka aksharam brahma, agnir devata... " . Which means, Pranava is the

> Brahma in the form of Sound and the presiding diety is fire.

>

> Agni in veda is worshipped both in feminine and masculine gender. The

> Rudra or Shiva is the Agni in Masculine gender. While performing

> Mahanyasa, several mantras are invoked. Among them, one is " Rudro va

> eshat agnihi " . Which means, Rudra is the form of Agni.

>

> The same Agni when worshipped as Feminine gender becomes Vanadurga,

> Kali, Pratyangira, Lakshmi, Saraswathi etc.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear hari,

 

The sorry state of indians is that they never accept the greatness of

their own philosphy unless they are fed with the " FOREIGN SPOON " .

 

And how do you criticise vivekananda who was apostle of hinduism in

the west. Had vivekananda was not born, entire bengal would have been

converted to christianity. Vivekananda was shaktha but he did not

proclaim it on the roof tops. He knew all the intricacies of the

tantra. We worshipped kshir bhavanai at kashmir with all the vedic

rituals and tantra. Tears flowed from his eyes while worshipping the

devi. He was verily sankara in human form.

 

And 'puja' does not necessarily mean worship with 16 articles. Why

did Dayananda Saraswathi advocated Agni hotra. Is it not puja. Puja

is an act of thanksgiving to what we are enjoying in our lives. We

should be modest enough in enjoying the mother nature.

 

Several mantras in Rig veda refer to the Agni in feminine gender. And

hence concept of Devi has been evolved. Vak is the Goddess of Speech

that has been extolled in Vedas in numerous ways.

 

It seems you are influenced by arya samajist philosphy that does not

advocate idol worship.

 

Rao

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I quoted Dandekar for the summary of historical evidences that he

> presented in his essay. It is not me but the quotes from

Mahabharata

> that denounce Swami Vivekananda's interpretation.

>

> Arunopanishad and few isolated Vedic teachings may be there which

refer

> to Sakti worship owing to the subscription of the same from

> Dravidian/Naga tribes. Otherwise Vedas have nothing to do with Sakti

> worship. This is evident from the teachings of Swami Dayanand

Sarasvati.

>

> As I have read about, the word Puja is not to be found in any of the

> Vedas.

>

> chandra hari

>

>

> , " srinivasrao197080 "

> <srinivasrao197080@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear hari,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

I am unable to see any influence of Tantra in Svami Vivekananda's

writings. In fact, he made Sri Ramakrishna a Vedanti and camouflaged the

Tantrik spirit of Ramakrishna in his Mission. I don't think tears from

eyes is a reflection of one's tantrik exps. And the fact that Swami

Vivekananda worshipped idols at some place does not make him a tantrik.

You have very exaggerated feelings like Bengal would have become full of

Christians etc without the Vedanta of Vivekananda. Hinduism of Vednatic

jargon - lip service spirituality - is worse than Christianity and

Islam. There are many followers of Christianity and Islam who follow

Tantra. Tantra has nothing to do with the so called Hindusim.

 

Tantra does not need anyone including Vivekanananda for its survival. In

fact, it was Tantra which created Vivekananda.

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " srinivasrao197080 "

<srinivasrao197080 wrote:

>

> Dear hari,

>

> The sorry state of indians is that they never accept the greatness of

> their own philosphy unless they are fed with the " FOREIGN SPOON " .

>

> And how do you criticise vivekananda who was apostle of hinduism in

> the west. Had vivekananda was not born, entire bengal would have been

> converted to christianity. Vivekananda was shaktha but he did not

> proclaim it on the roof tops. He knew all the intricacies of the

> tantra. We worshipped kshir bhavanai at kashmir with all the vedic

> rituals and tantra. Tears flowed from his eyes while worshipping the

> devi. He was verily sankara in human form.

>

> And 'puja' does not necessarily mean worship with 16 articles. Why

> did Dayananda Saraswathi advocated Agni hotra. Is it not puja. Puja

> is an act of thanksgiving to what we are enjoying in our lives. We

> should be modest enough in enjoying the mother nature.

>

> Several mantras in Rig veda refer to the Agni in feminine gender. And

> hence concept of Devi has been evolved. Vak is the Goddess of Speech

> that has been extolled in Vedas in numerous ways.

>

> It seems you are influenced by arya samajist philosphy that does not

> advocate idol worship.

>

> Rao

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I quoted Dandekar for the summary of historical evidences that he

> > presented in his essay. It is not me but the quotes from

> Mahabharata

> > that denounce Swami Vivekananda's interpretation.

> >

> > Arunopanishad and few isolated Vedic teachings may be there which

> refer

> > to Sakti worship owing to the subscription of the same from

> > Dravidian/Naga tribes. Otherwise Vedas have nothing to do with Sakti

> > worship. This is evident from the teachings of Swami Dayanand

> Sarasvati.

> >

> > As I have read about, the word Puja is not to be found in any of the

> > Vedas.

> >

> > chandra hari