Lot of Jargon - Is there anyone who has known Bhavani?

May 29, 2008

Dear friends,

I had the good fortune to be initited into a Bala mantra and also to

study many Sakta works.... It is easy to put the philosophy in English

and to talk of 16 kalas and the 17th. To my mind whosoever may spoke of

17th kala, he was wrong and a victim of mind-work and so he extrapolated

kalas to the 17th no. If his disciples says that he was a great Yogi - I

may ask what is the identity of a great Yogi?

Real Yogi has only one identity. Cobra will be an ornament to his neck.

Can we find anyone like that now?

Regarding Bhavani, is there anyone who has known her presence beyond the

hallucinations of the so called meditation?

How the mantramayi appears to a devotee?

I am trying to know how the devotees look at subconscious mindwork which

may give the feelings of known forms in imagination?

What is the identity of true meditation? Does the mind stops? If yes,

then what happens?

All talks about Paramapara is nonsense. All Paramaparas have degenerated

and people talk of parampara and secrets when they are confronted with

the real issues. According to tradition, Bhagavati answers to the call

of the Sakta. Is it true? How she answers the Saktas?

Is there anyone who can arouse the Kundalini at his will? As I

understand, if a man is able to arouse his Kundalini, he is capable of

wearing Cobra as a garland on his neck. Is there anyone who can do it?

chandra hari

May 29, 2008

Oh! I admit that your GREATER THAN Sri Jnaneshwar Maharaj, who was a

shaktha belonging to Natha Tradition. You have been initiated into

the Bala which is just a first step towards mother. So, what are the

works you have studied could you please list me out. What is your

background in Sanskrit language and how far you have studied the

mantra shastra.

In way you have rightly pointed out that nobody has understood

bhavani. And who can dare to? Shiva himself drank a little drop of

ocean of consciousness and got blew himself up and got out of

control.

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> I had the good fortune to be initited into a Bala mantra and also to

> study many Sakta works.... It is easy to put the philosophy in

May 29, 2008

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

Dear hari,

So, i think we have to run around and search for cobra hooded yogis!!

You were asking for the gurus who by a single glance can arouse

kundalini. Well you want to know.

It is SWAPRAKASHANANDA THIRTHA of Anakapalli. A marvellous Yogi

indeed who had mastered all the 64 tantras in just a span of 5

years!!! Goddess Chintamani Saraswathi used to serve him like a

maidservant. Do you know that? By just a single glance and a single

touch he could arouse the kundalini of his disciples.

If you want to learn more about him just type " Swaprakasananda

Tirtha " in Google searchengine. You would understand his greatness.

By the way, you said you were initiated in Bala mantra. It is a laghu

srividya. You have still a long way to go. You are just at the

threshold and not yet knocked the doors.

And you were asking for yogis who have cobra around near neck is it?

A great siddha purusha of Tiruvannamalai by name Sri Arunagiri Yogi

who is still alive blesses his devotees. He is visible only to those

who are worthy to receive his blessings. He sports with only loin

cloth, ashes over his body and a cobra around his neck. My

grandfather received his blessings.

Srinivas Rao

>

> Dear friends,

>

> I had the good fortune to be initited into a Bala mantra and also to

> study many Sakta works.... It is easy to put the philosophy in

English

> and to talk of 16 kalas and the 17th. To my mind whosoever may

spoke of

> 17th kala, he was wrong and a victim of mind-work and so he

extrapolated

> kalas to the 17th no. If his disciples says that he was a great

Yogi - I

> may ask what is the identity of a great Yogi?

>

> Real Yogi has only one identity. Cobra will be an ornament to his

neck.

> Can we find anyone like that now?

>

> Regarding Bhavani, is there anyone who has known her presence

beyond the

> hallucinations of the so called meditation?

>

> How the mantramayi appears to a devotee?

>

> I am trying to know how the devotees look at subconscious mindwork

which

> may give the feelings of known forms in imagination?

>

> What is the identity of true meditation? Does the mind stops? If

yes,

> then what happens?

>

> All talks about Paramapara is nonsense. All Paramaparas have

degenerated

> and people talk of parampara and secrets when they are confronted

with

> the real issues. According to tradition, Bhagavati answers to the

call

> of the Sakta. Is it true? How she answers the Saktas?

>

> Is there anyone who can arouse the Kundalini at his will? As I

> understand, if a man is able to arouse his Kundalini, he is capable

of

> wearing Cobra as a garland on his neck. Is there anyone who can do

it?

>

> chandra hari

>

May 29, 2008

Dear Sir,

Thank you for the information on Swaprakasananda.

But why do you speak of such meaningless things like grandfather

received blessings?

Does paternity has any role in Sakta tradition? How many fathers and

mothers you may have in your long pilgrimage as a Sakta? Will you own

them all if one day by some miracle they are before u? Just ask your

mind what will you do?

What then is the significance of grandfather? What is laghu and guru

with a mantra and with bala-tripurasundari? Can't a Laghu mantra invoke

Bala as Guru? Is it Laghu if Bala turns up as a Guru?

chandra hari

, " srinivasrao197080 "

<srinivasrao197080 wrote:

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> Dear hari,

>

> So, i think we have to run around and search for cobra hooded yogis!!

>

> You were asking for the gurus who by a single glance can arouse

> kundalini. Well you want to know.

>

> It is SWAPRAKASHANANDA THIRTHA of Anakapalli. A marvellous Yogi

> indeed who had mastered all the 64 tantras in just a span of 5

> years!!! Goddess Chintamani Saraswathi used to serve him like a

> maidservant. Do you know that? By just a single glance and a single

> touch he could arouse the kundalini of his disciples.

>

> If you want to learn more about him just type " Swaprakasananda

> Tirtha " in Google searchengine. You would understand his greatness.

>

> By the way, you said you were initiated in Bala mantra. It is a laghu

> srividya. You have still a long way to go. You are just at the

> threshold and not yet knocked the doors.

>

> And you were asking for yogis who have cobra around near neck is it?

> A great siddha purusha of Tiruvannamalai by name Sri Arunagiri Yogi

> who is still alive blesses his devotees. He is visible only to those

> who are worthy to receive his blessings. He sports with only loin

> cloth, ashes over his body and a cobra around his neck. My

> grandfather received his blessings.

>

> Srinivas Rao

May 30, 2008

Dear friends:

Don't you thnk tha this discussion is meaningless? Why not we discuss the

importance of mantras and its upasana paddhatis?

chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for the information on Swaprakasananda.

But why do you speak of such meaningless things like grandfather

received blessings?

Does paternity has any role in Sakta tradition? How many fathers and

mothers you may have in your long pilgrimage as a Sakta? Will you own

them all if one day by some miracle they are before u? Just ask your

mind what will you do?

What then is the significance of grandfather? What is laghu and guru

with a mantra and with bala-tripurasundari? Can't a Laghu mantra invoke

Bala as Guru? Is it Laghu if Bala turns up as a Guru?

chandra hari

, " srinivasrao197080 "

<srinivasrao197080 wrote:

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> Dear hari,

>

> So, i think we have to run around and search for cobra hooded yogis!!

>

> You were asking for the gurus who by a single glance can arouse

> kundalini. Well you want to know.

>

> It is SWAPRAKASHANANDA THIRTHA of Anakapalli. A marvellous Yogi

> indeed who had mastered all the 64 tantras in just a span of 5

> years!!! Goddess Chintamani Saraswathi used to serve him like a

> maidservant. Do you know that? By just a single glance and a single

> touch he could arouse the kundalini of his disciples.

>

> If you want to learn more about him just type " Swaprakasananda

> Tirtha " in Google searchengine. You would understand his greatness.

>

> By the way, you said you were initiated in Bala mantra. It is a laghu

> srividya. You have still a long way to go. You are just at the

> threshold and not yet knocked the doors.

>

> And you were asking for yogis who have cobra around near neck is it?

> A great siddha purusha of Tiruvannamalai by name Sri Arunagiri Yogi

> who is still alive blesses his devotees. He is visible only to those

> who are worthy to receive his blessings. He sports with only loin

> cloth, ashes over his body and a cobra around his neck. My

> grandfather received his blessings.

>

> Srinivas Rao

May 30, 2008

Dear hari,

My love to you. Let me be clear. My intension is not to hurt anyone

in this forum. Neither do i have any grudge against anybody. These

sentiments and emotions like " hurt " " grudge " " insult " are the

shortfalls which everybody has to overcome. And all our spiritual

practices are to overcome these negative thoughts and emotions. What

is the use of doing high sounding mantras though our mind is glued to

small and petty issues. Mental purity is most important. And let us

strive to achieve that.

Now, srividya is a tortous and thorny path that requires the grace of

guru. Guruparampara is most important. Devi comes in the form of

Guru and initiates you. In srichakra, one entire avarana is dedicated

to the worship of guruparampara. It does not matter which parampara

you follow whether dakshinachara or vamachara. But follow one path

sincerely without questioning attitude. Have perfect faith in guru.

Bhavanopanishad says " sriguru parama karaana butah sakthih " . Sri

guru is sakthi himself.

Now coming to bala tripurasundari, there is a srividya krama diksha

that starts from Shuddha vidya to Mahapaduka. So, Bala mantra is

just a second mantra from Shuddha vidya. There are still lot more to

undergo as a part of initiation.

So, my sincere advice is to respect the guru, guruparampara.

Afterall, Mother Divine is the First Principle among the Guru

Mandala.

Please donot get hurt by my articles and i have the same love and

respect for you as i have towards mother.

With regards

Srinivas Rao

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Thank you for the information on Swaprakasananda.

>

> But why do you speak of such meaningless things like grandfather

> received blessings?

>

> Does paternity has any role in Sakta tradition? How many fathers

and

> mothers you may have in your long pilgrimage as a Sakta? Will you

own

> them all if one day by some miracle they are before u? Just ask your

> mind what will you do?

>

> What then is the significance of grandfather? What is laghu and guru

> with a mantra and with bala-tripurasundari? Can't a Laghu mantra

invoke

> Bala as Guru? Is it Laghu if Bala turns up as a Guru?

>

> chandra hari

May 30, 2008

Dear Sir,

I am not at all hurt in any manner. There is nothing to be hurt. I think the

quest is beyond mind for sadhakas and so they must be immune to trivialities of

mind.

Regarding Bala, I was initiated into Bala mantra by a Tantrik who

received the inspiration from Mukhambika, Kollur to do so. As I

understand Bala is the common name of the three Ambikas west of Western Ghat,

Mukhambika at Kollur, Hemambika at Palghat (Balaghat?) and Balambika at

Kanyakumari.

My effort was to provoke some questions in the group after I saw the

site, after hearing about this from my friend Venu. People refuse to go before

my mind as they are unable to 'sacrifice' and this is the

pathentic situation haunting Sakta tradition. So I wanted to convey that the

jargon and mind-working are meaningless.

Regarding Bhavani, I had the good fortune to be led into a practice of

Hadi and I have seen Bhavani through the miracle she has played. And I

have also known how hard life is when She turns out to be Guru...

Every sadhaka must know her and then only the conviction will develop to follow

the path. No one spoke as to what happens when mind is stopped? This shows that

we are deep into chittavrtti and have not tasted the deleting of mind. Many

people therefore condemn Hathayoga as its real and deeper purpose is not known.

With so much minds in activity, people latched up in mindsets can never pursue

the path of Tantra - they will be scared to move ahead...

Think over..

chandra hari

May 30, 2008

Dear hari,

You are talking of Cessation of Mind. Well, that is the aim of

sadhana.

Patanjali yoga sutra says " Yoga chittavritti nirodaha " . The yoga

means control and cessation of mental tendencies.

Now, there still subtler aspects than the Mind. Mind is just bunch

of tendencies and thoughts. Subtler than Mind is Buddhi which is

called Intellect (The deciding Factor). Subtler than the Intellect is

Chitta which is Cognosis – the subconscious. Subtler than Chitta is

Ahamkara which is called Ego. This Ego is not to be confused with

Arrogance. It is called I-ness. It is with this I-ness you

associate everything in this world.

Now, this I-ness in the Individual is called Ahamtha Bhava. As you

know, there are 5 sheaths that cover this body. They are Annamaya,

Pranamaya, Manomaya, Vijnana Maya, Anandamaya Kosas. Our Mind sits

at Manomay Kosa and the Aham or I-ness sits at Anandamaya Kosa. So,

unless we are able to cross these 5 sheaths, the Ultimate Reality

which is beyond these 5 sheaths is not known.

This I-ness which I am speaking about in the Individual, when taken

as a whole of humanity at Macrocosmic level ie., you integrate the

Individual I-ness (Individual is Microcosm) to the Macrocosm (the I-

ness of all the animate and inanimate things), this Macrocosmic I-

ness is called Para-Ahamtha. In the deep sleep state, this Macrocosm

is called Ishwara. And the Ego of this Ishwara (the Macrocosmic Ego

called Para-Ahamtha) is called Chit. This Chit is called Chit

Shakti. This is called the Will of Ishwara. This Aham Vritti of

Ishwara is called Devi.

So, the Tantra involves Realisation of This Aham of Ishwara which is

Devi. When you realize this Aham of Ishwara, the Omnipresence,

Omnipotence and Omniscience is achieved. This is called Sarvaatmana

Bhava. Your individual Ego or Aham or I-ness would merge with

Macrocosmic Ego or Aham of Ishwara.

But that is not the end of Sadhana. This Ego should be merged in its

source ie., Shiva – The Supreme Consciousness Absolute. So, the aim

of Srividya is to take you to this State of Supreme Consciousness

ie., the State of Shivahood where the Macrocosmic Ego in the form of

Para-Ahamtha is dissolved. When this Ego is dissolved in this

source, you are JUST YOU ARE in the state of CHOICELESS AWARENESS.

In this state Mind is perfectly dissolved in its source like Sugar in

Water. Sugar loses its identity and becomes Water. So also the

individual loses his own identity and become one with Consciousness.

The triputi or triad is shattered and collapsed.

So, when the Mind is broken, who else remains, all the barriers are

broken. Only you as Consciousness Absolute.

This is the state which Sri Jiddu Krishnamurthy says as Ultimate

Reality. " The Interval between Two Thoughts is Ultimate Reality "

Srinivas Rao

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I am not at all hurt in any manner. There is nothing to be hurt. I

think the quest is beyond mind for sadhakas and so they must be

immune to trivialities of mind.

>

> Regarding Bala, I was initiated into Bala mantra by a Tantrik who

> received the inspiration from Mukhambika, Kollur to do so. As I

> understand Bala is the common name of the three Ambikas west of

Western Ghat, Mukhambika at Kollur, Hemambika at Palghat (Balaghat?)

and Balambika at Kanyakumari.

>

> My effort was to provoke some questions in the group after I saw the

> site, after hearing about this from my friend Venu. People refuse

to go before my mind as they are unable to 'sacrifice' and this is the

> pathentic situation haunting Sakta tradition. So I wanted to convey

that the jargon and mind-working are meaningless.

>

> Regarding Bhavani, I had the good fortune to be led into a practice

of

> Hadi and I have seen Bhavani through the miracle she has played.

And I

> have also known how hard life is when She turns out to be Guru...

>

> Every sadhaka must know her and then only the conviction will

develop to follow the path. No one spoke as to what happens when

mind is stopped? This shows that we are deep into chittavrtti and

have not tasted the deleting of mind. Many people therefore condemn

Hathayoga as its real and deeper purpose is not known. With so much

minds in activity, people latched up in mindsets can never pursue the

path of Tantra - they will be scared to move ahead...

>

> Think over..

>

> chandra hari

>

May 31, 2008

so sad... Indonesia not have shakta tradition

May 31, 2008

, JUN <zizhu_senlin_32 wrote:

>

> so sad... Indonesia not have shakta tradition

>

June 1, 2008

Dear Friends:

I am using & nbsp; Chandra's post to show a fallacy that has plagued Hinduism for

sometime and has pained me.

& nbsp;

Chandra said " As I understand Bala is the common name of the three Ambikas west

of Western Ghat, Mukhambika at Kollur, Hemambika at Palghat (Balaghat?) and

Balambika at Kanyakumari. "

& nbsp;

Palghat is lopana and anglification of Palakkadu which means forest & nbsp;of Pala

trees. using similarity in sound a new meaning Bala ghat is created or

suggested. Over time it will gain credence and it will be accepted as true. It

is so with many interpretations - meanings attributed based on false logic.

& nbsp;

That is why it is better to follow a parampara with its explanations. & nbsp;

--- On Fri, 5/30/08, chandra_hari18 & lt;chandra_hari18 & gt; wrote:

chandra_hari18 & lt;chandra_hari18 & gt;

Re: Lot of Jargon - Is there anyone who has known

Bhavani?

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