Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I looking newspaper and saw accident in Navaratra festival in India, when the bhakta is too much , walking for Ma blessing but have some accident there. Anda so many bhakta is die..... Why.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Humanity, in its perennial search for something external, the symbol, the perceived filling of a need, a desire, seeks outward what already is inwards.� To try to be close to a Holy One, to touch his or her feet.� We want so much!� Observe how it all evolves at the Festivals, how, in trying to satisfy a need, the ego, the desire, people move, push, just to be closer.� For a Blessing!� Some just feel the grace by just being in the presence, others have to be nearby, others have to be in physical proximity. But what is it that we really want that is not already inside of us, in us?� Some will say " hope " , to be pulled off from the day to day misery and life�s tribulations.�Others will say the feeling of being in the presence.� But still, the motive drives us to that. � " All spiritiual teachings are only meant to make us retrace our steps to our Original Source " . " Happiness lies within and not without " . � Suffering always strikes our compassionate hearts. How can suffering be?� The cause of misery and suffering is not in life without but is withn us as the ego.�And that is for us to contemplate on, what are the real desires, impulses and needs to want to have a blessing. � Peace be everywhere. Jos� --- On Tue, 8/5/08, JUN <zizhu_senlin_32 wrote: JUN <zizhu_senlin_32 why Ma not protect Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:29 AM I looking newspaper and saw accident in Navaratra festival in India, when the bhakta is too much , walking for Ma blessing but have some accident there. Anda so many bhakta is die..... Why.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 We always try to make sense of chaos. Sometimes it never does. In the larger context of things we can only guess what meaning it has. Right now it makes no sense. Peace, Shankari --- On Tue, 8/5/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz Re: why Ma not protect Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 4:32 AM Humanity, in its perennial search for something external, the symbol, the perceived filling of a need, a desire, seeks outward what already is inwards.� To try to be close to a Holy One, to touch his or her feet.� We want so much!� Observe how it all evolves at the Festivals, how, in trying to satisfy a need, the ego, the desire, people move, push, just to be closer.� For a Blessing!� Some just feel the grace by just being in the presence, others have to be nearby, others have to be in physical proximity. But what is it that we really want that is not already inside of us, in us?� Some will say " hope " , to be pulled off from the day to day misery and life�s tribulations.�Others will say the feeling of being in the presence.� But still, the motive drives us to that. � " All spiritiual teachings are only meant to make us retrace our steps to our Original Source " . " Happiness lies within and not without " . � Suffering always strikes our compassionate hearts. How can suffering be?� The cause of misery and suffering is not in life without but is withn us as the ego.�And that is for us to contemplate on, what are the real desires, impulses and needs to want to have a blessing. � Peace be everywhere. Jos� --- On Tue, 8/5/08, JUN <zizhu_senlin_ 32 > wrote: I looking newspaper and saw accident in Navaratra festival in India, when the bhakta is too much , walking for Ma blessing but have some accident there. Anda so many bhakta is die..... Why.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Namaste, The Devi Gita says " She is filled with the sentiment of passion and is ever distressed by the sorrows of her devotees " DG 9.41 And this: " Every site is my dwelling place and worth seeing, all moments are fit for observing rites, And festivals may be held on any occasion, for I pervade all times and places. DG 8.3 May Her compassion comfort the afflicted and may all come to know Her in any time and and place. pr , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > We always try to make sense of chaos. Sometimes it never does. In the larger context of things we can only guess what meaning it has. Right now it makes no sense. > > Peace, > Shankari > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: > jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > Re: why Ma not protect > > Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 4:32 AM > > > Humanity, in its perennial search for something external, the symbol, the perceived filling of a need, a desire, seeks outward what already is inwards.� To try to be close to a Holy One, to touch his or her feet.� We want so much!� Observe how it all evolves at the Festivals, how, in trying to satisfy a need, the ego, the desire, people move, push, just to be closer.� For a Blessing!� Some just feel the grace by just being in the presence, others have to be nearby, others have to be in physical proximity. But what is it that we really want that is not already inside of us, in us?� Some will say " hope " , to be pulled off from the day to day misery and life�s tribulations.�Others will say the feeling of being in the presence.� But still, the motive drives us to that. > > � > > " All spiritiual teachings are only meant to make us retrace our steps to our Original Source " . " Happiness lies within and not without " . > > � > > Suffering always strikes our compassionate hearts. How can suffering be?� The cause of misery and suffering is not in life without but is withn us as the ego.�And that is for us to contemplate on, what are the real desires, impulses and needs to want to have a blessing. > > � > > Peace be everywhere. > > Jos� > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, JUN <zizhu_senlin_ 32 > wrote: > > I looking newspaper and saw accident in Navaratra festival in India, > > when the bhakta is too much , walking for Ma blessing > > but have some accident there. Anda so many bhakta is die..... > > > > Why.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 It is a terrible tragedy and I am not judging any of the devotees, it is so easy to panic, but if they trusted in Ma completely they would not have lost composure and run down the hill, but would have very calmly made their way downhill, knowing Ma would protect them and take care of them. This is easy to say, hard to practice, but it should make us realize that we should not get upset at every little rumor or piece of bad news, knowing that we can make it so much worse if we do not place our confidence in God. Jai Ma! Kumari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Namo Uma Baghavati but why must build Ma temple or celebrate in danger area? why they (peoples) must come to that temple ??? why cannot celebrate or pray in temple who place is near from house. dont say we can die everywhere, if you not in house and not have money, why you not sleep in center of street (because street is danger)? why sleep in front of others house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 I remember a story and it goes like this One day Ma appeared in front of her bhakta and asked him see I reside in each and every object and you will get rid of all worries if you realise this truth and act accordingly. The otherday while he was going out, he observed that an elephant is comming running towards him and the mahout was screaming loudly that you go away go away from its path since the elephant is not under his control. But this Bhakta/devotee did not get afraid as he starts visualising Ma in that Elephant and by the time the Elephant throw him away resulting his legs and hands broken and he was fighting for his life then he remembered that all this happened because of Ma's words the previous day to visualise her in each and every object and he prayed Ma heartfuly and She gave a Darshan to him Upon asked by him she answered What I have said is true Why don't you listen the mahaut's words to get away from elephants's path? Why don't you visualise Me in Him? I was there to protect you as the Mahaut but you did not listen me and you are experiencing the consequences of that. Listen my child, every time when you are in danger, I would be there to protect you but if you yourself do not listen to Me then what I could do? The morel of the storey ================= First of all check the arrangements for the security of devotees by devottees themselves. it can be observed that the devotees never leave the place after Darshan in time to facilitate other devotees a smooth darshan. Visit and leave the temples very slowly, Always give preference to others Never object a devottee having a darshan what so ever the reason may be. No body can draw a Muhurth for visiting Ma, she is available 24/7 every where. Since the Birth cannot be considered as a sign of protection, how Death? Understand the fact that " one " will be no more the moment it weigh Punya greater than Papa in the karmic scale. sree On 8/7/08, JUN <zizhu_senlin_32 wrote: > > Namo Uma Baghavati > > but why must build Ma temple or celebrate in danger area? > why they (peoples) must come to that temple ??? > > why cannot celebrate or pray in temple who place is near from house. > > dont say we can die everywhere, if you not in house and not have money, why > you not sleep in center of street (because street is danger)? why sleep in > front of others house? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 And this reminds me of a story (from the Qabalah) where a monsoon is raging and all are evacuating except one person who is so devoted to God, who he believes will save him. When someone comes by in a car and says he will give the man a ride the devotee replies " No thanks, God will save me " . Later as the flooding continues a man in a boat comes by and offers help but the devotee answers " no, God will save me " . Finally a man comes by in a helicopter and throws a rope to the devotee who refuses to catch it saying " I won't insult God, who I trust will save me " . Inevitably, as the man is drowning he calls out to God " Why didn't you save me? " to which he hears a voice say to him, " My child, who do you think sent the car, boat and helicopter? " Bottom line...Don't confuse the planes of causation. Also, that we are responsible for ourselves AND each other. All of the rescuers in the story had God / Ma in their hearts, and offered the man an opportunity to help himself. I would not dare to presume Why God/dess did not intervene, but it is pretty common to NOT have divine intervention pull humans out of peril in the world. Millions die every day without the grace of Ma's intervention. Or were those people who died truly without her? Their last act was one of devotion to diety as they perceived him / her and it might be that those souls may now be allowed off the wheel of Karma as they entered the embrace of God/dess with their last act as one of piety. May this be so ! But ultimately, as best can be known at this point, it was the panic, fear and (all too human) desire for self preservation which caused the calamity rather than the rumored danger. May this be the value of this tragedy? That we need to learn to NOT jump to conclusions and panic when we hear something negative about a person or situation, and that we need to regard others needs as well as our own. How much more obvious should (or might) that have been at a temple on a holy day. Another thought in response to mjfisher2005 question: >but why must build Ma temple or celebrate in danger area? >why they (peoples) must come to that temple ??? >why cannot celebrate or pray in temple who place is near from house. How many hundreds or thousands of years has the Temple been on this site. Could the builders have envisioned that it would stand for so long, or that the numbers of pilgrims to the site would ever be so many that the structure might eventually become unsafe due to the sheer volume of people that it would have to accomodate? No real answers, simply thoughts, with no offense meant to any, and prayers for the victims. Namaste Nadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 And that reminds me of one of my favorite essays: " The Unplanned Freefall " The essay is not essentially spiritual, but I thoroughly enjoy its wry sense of humor. In the very first paragraph there is a cautionary note about attributing one's own survival to the divine as being unfair to those who did not live. I believe that my relationship to Maa should guide me in my choices and directions, help me to a better more satisfying life. But it is true, millions die, millions suffer, sometimes horribly and I cannot believe that they are suffering because they are less loved or less devout. That cannot be the measure of love and devotion. For all the " little miracles " that I may attribute to divine love or my personal moments of devotion, I cannot posit that as any kind of consistent system. The system is either much more complex, or there is no system, or miracles are deeply gratifying but not the point. I don't know which. But my search for Maa is more complex and more important than the search for the " little miracles " however deeply gratifying I may find them. It is a part of me and my life is better overall when I follow that. Below I'll give that quote to that piece and the link. Namaste, pr " Admit it: You want to be the sole survivor of an airline disaster. You aren't looking for a disaster to happen, but if it does, you see yourself coming through it. I'm here to tell you that you're not out of touch with reality†" you can do it. Sure, you'll take a few hits, and I'm not saying there won't be some sweaty flashbacks later on, but you'll make it. You'll sit up in your hospital bed and meet the press. Refreshingly, you will keep God out of your public comments, knowing that it's unfair to sing His praises when all of your dead fellow-passengers have no platform from which to offer an alternative view. " http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/carkeet.html , " Cliff " <numinae wrote: > > And this reminds me of a story (from the Qabalah) > where a monsoon is raging and all are evacuating except one person who is so devoted to God, who he believes will save him. When someone comes by in a car and says he will give the man a ride the devotee replies " No thanks, God will save me " . Later as the flooding continues a man in a boat comes by and offers help but the devotee answers " no, God will save me " . Finally a man comes by in a helicopter and throws a rope to the devotee who refuses to catch it saying " I won't insult God, who I trust will save me " . Inevitably, as the man is drowning he calls out to God " Why didn't you save me? " to which he hears a voice say to him, " My child, who do you think sent the car, boat and helicopter? " > > Bottom line...Don't confuse the planes of causation. Also, that we are responsible for ourselves AND each other. All of the rescuers in the story had God / Ma in their hearts, and offered the man an opportunity to help himself. > > I would not dare to presume Why God/dess did not intervene, but it is pretty common to NOT have divine intervention pull humans out of peril in the world. Millions die every day without the grace of Ma's intervention. Or were those people who died truly without her? Their last act was one of devotion to diety as they perceived him / her and it might be that those souls may now be allowed off the wheel of Karma as they entered the embrace of God/dess with their last act as one of piety. May this be so ! > > But ultimately, as best can be known at this point, it was the panic, fear and (all too human) desire for self preservation which caused the calamity rather than the rumored danger. > > May this be the value of this tragedy? > That we need to learn to NOT jump to conclusions and panic when we hear something negative about a person or situation, and that we need to regard others needs as well as our own. How much more obvious should (or might) that have been at a temple on a holy day. > > Another thought in response to mjfisher2005 question: > > >but why must build Ma temple or celebrate in danger area? > >why they (peoples) must come to that temple ??? > > >why cannot celebrate or pray in temple who place is near from house. > > How many hundreds or thousands of years has the Temple been on this site. Could the builders have envisioned that it would stand for so long, or that the numbers of pilgrims to the site would ever be so many that the structure might eventually become unsafe due to the sheer volume of people that it would have to accomodate? > > No real answers, simply thoughts, > with no offense meant to any, and prayers for the victims. > > Namaste > Nadananda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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