Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Namaste Group: I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than others? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Shanti Om, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Sri vidya upasana Dasamaha vidya is very important,all the gods are no dangerous, as like for your thinking, Mantra sastra Guru is very very important , eventhough you konw the mantra any other way only you got initation from Guru that Mantra is effective .  by Parameswaran ________________________________ Shankari Kali <shankari_kali Saturday, 18 October, 2008 7:53:53 PM Dasa Mahavidya Namaste Group: I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than others? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Shanti Om, Shankari ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Worship of mother is never dangerous...without the guidance of guru it is less effective or not effective atall but it is not dangerous. regards Aditya On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Parameswaran <param_vyas wrote: > Sri vidya upasana Dasamaha vidya is very important,all the gods are no > dangerous, as like for your thinking, > > Mantra sastra Guru is very very important , eventhough you konw the mantra > any other way only you got initation from Guru that Mantra is effective . > > by > Parameswaran > > ________________________________ > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali <shankari_kali%> > > Namaste Group: > > I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of > the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? > > Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than > others? > > Any opinions on this would be appreciated. > > Shanti Om, > Shankari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Namaste Parameswaran: MahaKali is a Mahavidya and Lalita Tripurasundari is as well, right? They are all aspects of Mother Durga, correct? Why do some websites claim that it is dangerous to chant to the Mahavidyas unless you have a guru? Saying such things frightens people away from the study of the Divine Mother. Thank you for your help, Shankari --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Parameswaran <param_vyas wrote: Parameswaran <param_vyas Sri vidya upasana Dasamaha vidya is very important,all the gods are no dangerous, as like for your thinking, Mantra sastra Guru is very very important ,�eventhough you konw the mantra any other way�only you got initation from Guru that Mantra is effective . � by Parameswaran ____________ _________ _________ __ Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ > I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than others? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Shanti Om, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Namaste Parameswaran: > > MahaKali is a Mahavidya and Lalita Tripurasundari is as well, right? They are all aspects of Mother Durga, correct? > > Why do some websites claim that it is dangerous to chant to the Mahavidyas unless you have a guru? Saying such things frightens people away from the study of the Divine Mother. This topic have been discuss again again in the group. The answers lies in the website where I have compiled them all into one single topic as Guru. Now I think nobody is trying to frighten anybody. If you want to worship the mother in your own way find..... go ahead. Nobody is going to stop you. Its like this..... if I want to learn how to sing.... for the divine mother....there's plenty of song for the divine mother. Sing all you want nobody will say no to you. But if you want to sing for example for the divine mother in Carnatic version... which is very specialise, its good if you learn it from a proper guru who will guide you accordingly because when you sing i carnatic is different from singing as thevarm or the normal bollywood style. We all are aware that carnatic have a healing effect on a person singing or hearing it. So its just proper to do it correctly or you not only mess yourself mentally but everybody around you. But again.. there's a lot of stubborn people who just have the mind of their own who believe they should not be deny anything and they feel its their right to get whatever they want. If you still want to recite the mantra of DS and you think you do need the guide and protction of the guru, for goodness sake go ahead.... then do go and blame DEVI if things does not work as you want to. I have come across many who does these..... they are sooooooo stubborn.. and try to do their own way and when things go wrong they blame it on the DEVI. Now this is the main issue.. causing bad effect on people around you. This will always be in the mind of a wira... whatever he/she does will have effect on the people around them. They are not worried abt the effect on themselves but to those around you and they will try not to inflict unnecessary bad effect on others. That is why most DS sadhana are also vira sadhana. So if I be you...... be careful when you give such advises to people about this need of NO GURU. I have been silence.... but not necessary not reading all the messages that come this way..... Mind your words please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Each mahavidya represents individual devi. Refer Navaratri Regards, --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: Shankari Kali <shankari_kali Namaste Parameswaran: MahaKali is a Mahavidya and Lalita Tripurasundari is as well, right? They are all aspects of Mother Durga, correct? Why do some websites claim that it is dangerous to chant to the Mahavidyas unless you have a guru? Saying such things frightens people away from the study of the Divine Mother. Thank you for your help, Shankari --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Parameswaran <param_vyas > wrote: Parameswaran <param_vyas > Sri vidya upasana Dasamaha vidya is very important,all the gods are no dangerous, as like for your thinking, Mantra sastra Guru is very very important ,�eventhough you konw the mantra any other way�only you got initation from Guru that Mantra is effective . by Parameswaran ____________ _________ _________ __ Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ > I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than others? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Shanti Om, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Namaste: Thank you for your reply. In other words you are saying that it IS dangerous without a guru, correct? What about people like me who are miles and miles away from any Hindu temple? In my daily sadhana I usually recite the Lalita Sahasranama Stotram or the Vishnu Sahasranama Stotram. I sometimes recite the Sri Suktam. I am a bit wary of worshipping Mahakali without proper advise from a guru. I began reciting the Chandi Path about a year ago and I did have some strange effects from this.� I recently recited the Chandi Path, however, during Navaratri on the suggestion of a guru and I had no ill affect. I'm a bit nervous about worshipping the other Dasa Mahavidyas without initiation due to my previous experiences. Shanti Om, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Namaste: > > Thank you for your reply. In other words you are saying that it IS dangerous without a guru, correct? > > What about people like me who are miles and miles away from any Hindu temple? In my daily sadhana I usually recite the Lalita Sahasranama Stotram or the Vishnu Sahasranama Stotram. I sometimes recite the Sri Suktam. When I first got into this group I am miles and miles away from my guru. I do not seek my guru.... he found me.. through DEVI. I did not try to be a hero doing some sadhana I have no knowledge of.... but to continue to recite you daily prayers and do what you can, when the right time comes a proper guru will come or you will be shown the way. The main point you need to remember is patience and preserverance. When you becomes so gullible and have no patience that is when you fall into a trap. Why this need that you must do DS sadhana as soon as possible? To be famous...... to be rich... to get what ever you desire..... is this what the whole thing all about. Main question I am asking you : what is the purpose of your sadhana? For yourself or to inflict injury and harm on another? You know its like doing an experiement... you see in a book. YOu though wow this experiement is cool why not I try it..... and in the book and advise from others who are in it tell you : dont .... do it. It will hurt you....you must have a instructor or teacher by your side to make sure you get the right proportion, or who will know what to do when things go wrong, but NO..... NO you want to be on your own. You want to show how smart you are... you think you are equally good. so what happen when you do it.... when the experiement go wrong.. when the time bomb you try to defuse blow you into pieces..... its not only you who will die and go into pieces its the people around you too will suffer. Rememebers this........ > I am a bit wary of worshipping Mahakali without proper advise from a guru. I began reciting the Chandi Path about a year ago and I did have some strange effects from this.� I recently recited the Chandi Path, however, during Navaratri on the suggestion of a guru and I had no ill affect. > > I'm a bit nervous about worshipping the other Dasa Mahavidyas without initiation due to my previous experiences. > > Shanti Om, > Shankari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 " danger " is a relative term. The need for Guru is great in as much as as you progress there will be regions of doubt and only an accomplished Guru can guide an aspirant in thiose regions failing which one will be led astray. Hence the term " danger " . Do not expect teh dasa mahavidyas to appear and swallow up or maul the upasaka *smile*. Tho the eating and mauling can take place figuratively by misunderstanding the intent and purport of experiences. There are many upasakas - without proper siddha gurus being led to believe that they are on an earth shattering mission and deciding things on his or her own light and ultimately ending up with some charlatan self styled gooroo and hence have to wait many births to be guided to the right path/direction. Hope I am not sounding snobbish --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: Shankari Kali <shankari_kali Dasa Mahavidya Sunday, October 19, 2008, 6:23 AM Namaste Group: I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than others? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Shanti Om, Shankari ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Dear Shankari: You are wise. But remember!! The guru will appear when the time is right be u in far away urban jungle or in deep desert --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: Shankari Kali <shankari_kali Re: Re: Dasa Mahavidya Monday, October 20, 2008, 6:25 AM Namaste: Thank you for your reply. In other words you are saying that it IS dangerous without a guru, correct? What about people like me who are miles and miles away from any Hindu temple? In my daily sadhana I usually recite the Lalita Sahasranama Stotram or the Vishnu Sahasranama Stotram. I sometimes recite the Sri Suktam. I am a bit wary of worshipping Mahakali without proper advise from a guru. I began reciting the Chandi Path about a year ago and I did have some strange effects from this.� I recently recited the Chandi Path, however, during Navaratri on the suggestion of a guru and I had no ill affect. I'm a bit nervous about worshipping the other Dasa Mahavidyas without initiation due to my previous experiences. Shanti Om, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I couldnt agree more with Sankara...That is what I was trying to convey in my previous message but Sankara has worded it perfectly.thanks! regards Aditya On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:58 AM, sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > Dear Shankari: > You are wise. But remember!! The guru will appear when the time is right be > u in far away urban jungle or in deep desert > > > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali<shankari_kali%40>> > wrote: > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali <shankari_kali%40>> > Re: Re: Dasa Mahavidya > <%40> > Monday, October 20, 2008, 6:25 AM > > Namaste: > > Thank you for your reply. In other words you are saying that it IS > dangerous without a guru, correct? > > What about people like me who are miles and miles away from any Hindu > temple? In my daily sadhana I usually recite the Lalita Sahasranama Stotram > or the Vishnu Sahasranama Stotram. I sometimes recite the Sri Suktam. > > I am a bit wary of worshipping Mahakali without proper advise from a guru. > I began reciting the Chandi Path about a year ago and I did have some > strange effects from this.� I recently recited the Chandi Path, however, > during Navaratri on the suggestion of a guru and I had no ill affect. > > I'm a bit nervous about worshipping the other Dasa Mahavidyas without > initiation due to my previous experiences. > > Shanti Om, > Shankari > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Namaste: You answered this quite well, and I understand it now. I consider myself cautious, and I live quite a long way from any temple, but I do take the advice of what suggestions I do encounter from well known reputable gurus. Thanks Shankari --- On Sun, 10/19/08, sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: sankara menon <kochu1tz " danger " is a relative term. The need for Guru is great in as much as as you progress there will be regions of doubt and only an accomplished Guru can guide an aspirant in those regions failing which one will be led astray. Hence the term " danger " . � Do not expect the dasa mahavidyas to appear and swallow up or maul the upasaka *smile*. Tho the eating and mauling can take place figuratively by misunderstanding the intent and purport of experiences. � There are many upasakas - without proper siddha gurus being led to believe that they are on an earth shattering mission and deciding things on his or her own light and ultimately ending up with some charlatan self styled gooroo and hence have to wait many births to be guided to the right path/direction. � Hope I am not sounding snobbish --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ > wrote: Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ > Namaste Group: I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than others? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Shanti Om, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Namaste: Thanks once again for replying. I was doing a bit of research on the Dasa Mahavidyas when I came across a website that gave out dire warnings about practicing without a guru. I thought that was odd. Nora wrote: When you becomes so gullible and have no patience that is when you fall into a trap. Okay this makes sense to me. To be famous...... to be rich... to get what ever you desire..... is this what the whole thing all about. No. LOL. I gave up on these things long ago. I just happened upon the website and I had to wonder. I sometimes have issues with reciting prayers that are graphically violent or bloody. For that reason I will recite the Sri Lalita, or Sri Lakshmi or Gayatri texts. Main question I am asking you : what is the purpose of your sadhana? ------ I hope to move toward an enlightened state. Nora wrote: For yourself or to inflict injury and harm on another? --- Oh no. I can't even stand some of the graphic literature. Shanti Om, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 LOL! Kochu...you got me laughing (I am at my job!). Yeah ...the eating and mauling is that which will occur to the ego and the mind. --- On Mon, 10/20/08, sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: sankara menon <kochu1tz Re: Dasa Mahavidya Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:17 AM " danger " is a relative term. The need for Guru is great in as much as as you progress there will be regions of doubt and only an accomplished Guru can guide an aspirant in thiose regions failing which one will be led astray. Hence the term " danger " . Do not expect teh dasa mahavidyas to appear and swallow up or maul the upasaka *smile*. Tho the eating and mauling can take place figuratively by misunderstanding the intent and purport of experiences. There are many upasakas - without proper siddha gurus being led to believe that they are on an earth shattering mission and deciding things on his or her own light and ultimately ending up with some charlatan self styled gooroo and hence have to wait many births to be guided to the right path/direction. Hope I am not sounding snobbish --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ > wrote: Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@ > Dasa Mahavidya Sunday, October 19, 2008, 6:23 AM Namaste Group: I have a question about the ten Mahavidyas. Someone said that worship of the Mahavidyas is dangerous without a guru. Is this true? Which Mahavidyas would be more dangerous to worship without a guru than others? Any opinions on this would be appreciated. Shanti Om, Shankari ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Nora asked : Main question what is the purpose of your sadhana? shankari_kali wrote:I hope to move toward an enlightened state. The state of enlightenment as the goal. Now you see that is where I see the problem. Its like climbing the mountain..... [we've discuss this before too but its okay .... let refresh our mind again.. perhaps something new may surface from this] what is more important : reaching the top of the mountain or the process of climbing. In my opinion the goal will always be there, if your process is correct. So instead of focusing on the goal all the time, should we not focus on the process, because its from this process stage that the transformation takes place. If your transformation is correct, you will eventually reach the goal or you may never even realise you have reach the goal because the goal is not important anymore to you anymore. State of enligthenment is a natural process. You will not know it, its the people around you will see the changes in you..... This is my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Wow Nora that was a very inspiring response. I suppose that we would have the goal of enlightenment, but as we move along we have other needs as well. Let's say we are always broke, and we begin to pray to Lakshmi everyday. Then suddenly we realize that there are other forms of wealth. Our craving takes us to the practice, but the practice breaks the craving. Peace, Shankari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Wow Nora that was a very inspiring response. There's no need for wow at all...... I am sure you've heard of this from me many times. You're effort in trying to bring life to this group is commendable. Wow to you too! > I suppose that we would have the goal of enlightenment, but as we move along we have other needs as well. Let's say we are always broke, and we begin to pray to Lakshmi everyday. Then suddenly we realize that there are other forms of wealth. Our craving takes us to the practice, but the practice breaks the craving. > You are only curing the symptoms and not the root cause of the problem. You should first look : why are you broke in the first place. What did you do to get you to this stage? Once you have found the answer and take the corrective action, wealth will remain with you at all times. You do not need to ask Laksmi all the time. DEVI only help those who help themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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