Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Does anyone know the spiritual/material benefits of reciting the Panchadasaakshari and Shodasaakshari Mantras? Also, i am told they should be recited at certain times and not at other times etc. Kindly enlighten me. nandkumar mugve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 These are the highest mantras of Sri Vidya upasana and the benefits they bestow are said to be incalculable. Both of these mantras are, however, initiatory, and should not be used if you have not been properly initiated by a qualified guru. Better to use Gayathri, or some other non-initiatory mantra, than to fool around with Panchadasi and Shodashi. If you have received diksha, then these mantras should be recited as per the instructions of your guru. aim mAtangyai namaH , nand mugve <mugve2005 wrote: > > Does anyone know the spiritual/material benefits of reciting the Panchadasaakshari and Shodasaakshari Mantras? Also, i am told they should be recited at certain times and not at other times etc. > Kindly enlighten me. > > nandkumar mugve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi there If you mean by Gayatri the one popularly known to the world which also goes by the name savitri, even this requires elaborate initiation which goes with and is inseparable from Upanayam investiture. I am fully aware that there are many votaries of this gayatri who claim it can be recited without initiation; it is set to various tunes and sung; CDs are released by many people. This way Gayatri upasana has become quite rewarding (monetarily). Gayatri and Srividya are one and the same as propounded in Varivasya Rahasyam - only, one time Srividya is equivalent to three times Gayatri. 'Gayatri, Vyaahrtrissandhyaa Dwijabrinda nishevitaa' (LS). Hence the traditional view is that the 24 syllabled Gayatri also requires proper initiation. Of course, I shall not frown upon New Age practices and advocacies as I am not competent. I would like to repeat an earlier post of mine here. " The goings on about panchdasi and LSN makes for both funny and interesting reading. In these days of rank consumerism and commercialisation of anything and everything under the sun, I feel it will be appropriate if Devi herself puts up a stall in all International Trade Exhibitions with billboards loudly screaming 'get initiation into all mantras; no rules to be observed; pick your choice; take a virtual guru of your liking; obtain all that you need in this and the other world; it is all yours for the asking'. But...as you know, SHE may just a add line -- conditions apply.. like one needs to take the Nachiketas route (meaning visit Yamaloka before applying for the above facilities), because SHE is known to act in a tongue-in-the-cheek manner once everywhile. " Happy Diwali - JR ________________________________ Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:19:23 AM Re: 15 and 16-syllable Mantras These are the highest mantras of Sri Vidya upasana and the benefits they bestow are said to be incalculable. Both of these mantras are, however, initiatory, and should not be used if you have not been properly initiated by a qualified guru. Better to use Gayathri, or some other non-initiatory mantra, than to fool around with Panchadasi and Shodashi. If you have received diksha, then these mantras should be recited as per the instructions of your guru. aim mAtangyai namaH , nand mugve <mugve2005@. ..> wrote: > > Does anyone know the spiritual/material benefits of reciting the Panchadasaakshari and Shodasaakshari Mantras? Also, i am told they should be recited at certain times and not at other times etc. > Kindly enlighten me. > > nandkumar mugve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Dear Radhakrishnanji I liked your naration. But I can laugh when I read and also I understand pain behind left in that writting. Now adays manthra is also like commodity available for sales or for satisfying ones ego become Guru, without any practice and hard work. i.e. School or Colege Teacher who did not study and teach students.. Regds. K.V.Vighnesh Chennai Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: Hi there If you mean by Gayatri the one popularly known to the world which also goes by the name savitri, even this requires elaborate initiation which goes with and is inseparable from Upanayam investiture. I am fully aware that there are many votaries of this gayatri who claim it can be recited without initiation; it is set to various tunes and sung; CDs are released by many people. This way Gayatri upasana has become quite rewarding (monetarily). Gayatri and Srividya are one and the same as propounded in Varivasya Rahasyam - only, one time Srividya is equivalent to three times Gayatri. 'Gayatri, Vyaahrtrissandhyaa Dwijabrinda nishevitaa' (LS). Hence the traditional view is that the 24 syllabled Gayatri also requires proper initiation. Of course, I shall not frown upon New Age practices and advocacies as I am not competent. I would like to repeat an earlier post of mine here. " The goings on about panchdasi and LSN makes for both funny and interesting reading. In these days of rank consumerism and commercialisation of anything and everything under the sun, I feel it will be appropriate if Devi herself puts up a stall in all International Trade Exhibitions with billboards loudly screaming 'get initiation into all mantras; no rules to be observed; pick your choice; take a virtual guru of your liking; obtain all that you need in this and the other world; it is all yours for the asking'. But...as you know, SHE may just a add line -- conditions apply.. like one needs to take the Nachiketas route (meaning visit Yamaloka before applying for the above facilities), because SHE is known to act in a tongue-in-the-cheek manner once everywhile. " Happy Diwali - JR ________________________________ Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:19:23 AM Re: 15 and 16-syllable Mantras These are the highest mantras of Sri Vidya upasana and the benefits they bestow are said to be incalculable. Both of these mantras are, however, initiatory, and should not be used if you have not been properly initiated by a qualified guru. Better to use Gayathri, or some other non-initiatory mantra, than to fool around with Panchadasi and Shodashi. If you have received diksha, then these mantras should be recited as per the instructions of your guru. aim mAtangyai namaH , nand mugve <mugve2005@. ..> wrote: > > Does anyone know the spiritual/material benefits of reciting the Panchadasaakshari and Shodasaakshari Mantras? Also, i am told they should be recited at certain times and not at other times etc. > Kindly enlighten me. > > nandkumar mugve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Is this not the mark of the kaliyug? That teachings become easier to access? I have it on good authority (from more than one reputable guru, that is) that there are also methods of initiation into these mantras taking Shiva himself as the guru, rather than an earthly guru, but it's not for everyone, and requires dedicated, selfless practice. shanti saa'ham -sundari On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:59 PM, VIGHNESH K V <vighnesharewrote: > Dear Radhakrishnanji > I liked your naration. But I can laugh when I read and also I understand > pain behind left in that writting. Now adays manthra is also like commodity > available for sales or for satisfying ones ego become Guru, without any > practice and hard work. i.e. School or Colege Teacher who did not study and > teach students.. > Regds. > K.V.Vighnesh > Chennai > > > Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree <jayaarshree%40>> wrote: > Hi there > If you mean by Gayatri the one popularly known to the world which also goes > by the name savitri, even this requires elaborate initiation which goes with > and is inseparable from Upanayam investiture. I am fully aware that there > are many votaries of this gayatri who claim it can be recited without > initiation; it is set to various tunes and sung; CDs are released by many > people. This way Gayatri upasana has become quite rewarding (monetarily). > > Gayatri and Srividya are one and the same as propounded in Varivasya > Rahasyam - only, one time Srividya is equivalent to three times Gayatri. > 'Gayatri, Vyaahrtrissandhyaa Dwijabrinda nishevitaa' (LS). Hence the > traditional view is that the 24 syllabled Gayatri also requires proper > initiation. > > Of course, I shall not frown upon New Age practices and advocacies as I am > not competent. I would like to repeat an earlier post of mine here. > > " The goings on about panchdasi and LSN makes for both funny and interesting > reading. In these days of rank consumerism and commercialisation of anything > and everything under the sun, I feel it will be appropriate if Devi herself > puts up a stall in all International Trade Exhibitions with billboards > loudly screaming 'get initiation into all mantras; no rules to be observed; > pick your choice; take a virtual guru of your liking; obtain all that you > need in this and the other world; it is all yours for the asking'. > > But...as you know, SHE may just a add line -- conditions apply.. like one > needs to take the Nachiketas route (meaning visit Yamaloka before applying > for the above facilities), because SHE is known to act in a > tongue-in-the-cheek manner once everywhile. " > > Happy Diwali - JR > > ________________________________ > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta <devi_bhakta%40>> > > > These are the highest mantras of Sri Vidya upasana and the benefits > they bestow are said to be incalculable. > > Both of these mantras are, however, initiatory, and should not be used > if you have not been properly initiated by a qualified guru. Better to > use Gayathri, or some other non-initiatory mantra, than to fool around > with Panchadasi and Shodashi. > > If you have received diksha, then these mantras should be recited as > per the instructions of your guru. > > aim mAtangyai namaH > > , nand mugve <mugve2005@. ..> > wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the spiritual/material benefits of reciting the > Panchadasaakshari and Shodasaakshari Mantras? Also, i am told they > should be recited at certain times and not at other times etc. > > Kindly enlighten me. > > > > nandkumar mugve > > >-- *** You'll find Mother in any house. Do I dare say it in public? She is Bhairavi with Shiva, Durga with Her children, Sita with Lakshmana. She's mother, daughter, wife, sister - Every woman close to you. What more can Ramprasad say? You work the rest out from these hints. - Ramprasad Sen (1720-1781) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hasn't Siddhashram already tried this? *lol* , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: In these days of rank consumerism and commercialisation of anything and everything under the sun, I feel it will be appropriate if Devi herself puts up a stall in all International Trade Exhibitions with billboards loudly screaming 'get initiation into all mantras; no rules to be observed; pick your choice; take a virtual guru of your liking; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Seriously speaking, I am aware that Panchadasi is claimed by some sources -- including Bhaskararaya, if I am not mistaken -- to be the true, secret, distilled form of Gayathri. Whether that need lead to your " hence " that Gayathri is initiatory, I do not know. I have no doubt that some lineages would consider that Gayathri requires initiation; mine does not teach this. As regards the popularity of Gayathri as a CD recording, I suspect most of the singers consider their performance to be spiritually, not financially motivated. As common as these recordings are, they will never move enough units to trouble the Top of the Pops, or provide much luxury money to the producers. They are the aural equivalent of calendar art -- perhaps not the most rarified expression of spirituality, but sincere nonetheless and not to be laughed at. New Age uses tend to be eclectic, and in such a context Gayatri might be mixed into a practice involving Native American flute, Druid chants, Wiccan spells, Tibetan Buddhist gongs, power crystals and any number of other elements. As such, it falls outside the topic mater of this group, I think. aim mAtangyai namaH , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > Gayatri and Srividya are one and the same as propounded in Varivasya Rahasyam - only, one time Srividya is equivalent to three times Gayatri. 'Gayatri, Vyaahrtrissandhyaa Dwijabrinda nishevitaa' (LS). Hence the traditional view is that the 24 syllabled Gayatri also requires proper initiation. > > Of course, I shall not frown upon New Age practices and advocacies as I am not competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Okay J.R.; if not Gayathri, then what devi-oriented, non-initiatory mantra should our presumably-non-initiated friend use? , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > > If you mean by Gayatri the one popularly known to the world which also goes by the name savitri, even this requires elaborate initiation [....] > > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta > > [....] if you have not been properly initiated by a qualified guru, > better to > use Gayathri, or some other non-initiatory mantra, > than to fool around with Panchadasi and Shodashi. > [....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 I fully agree with you Sundariji,100% correct but as you said one must be fully devoted to his or her goal. , " Sundari Johansen Hurwitt " <sundarikali wrote: > > > I have it on good authority (from more than one reputable guru, that > is) that there are also methods of initiation into these mantras taking > Shiva himself as the guru, rather than an earthly guru, but it's not for > everyone, and requires dedicated, selfless practice. > > shanti saa'ham > -sundari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Dear Devi Bhakta, Gayathri of two versions. Chathus Pada and Turia Gayathri. All manthra carries curse and the pure brahman Gayathri of Chathus Pada is usual ritual in some community as first initiation. Again it is restricted to Male. Becaz it use Omkar. Omkar can not be spelt by women.. Turia Gayathri will be automatically initiated when you get into Sri Vidya Parampara *(mantra initiation). Regds. K.V.Vighnesh Astrologer/Pundit Chennai. Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: Seriously speaking, I am aware that Panchadasi is claimed by some sources -- including Bhaskararaya, if I am not mistaken -- to be the true, secret, distilled form of Gayathri. Whether that need lead to your " hence " that Gayathri is initiatory, I do not know. I have no doubt that some lineages would consider that Gayathri requires initiation; mine does not teach this. As regards the popularity of Gayathri as a CD recording, I suspect most of the singers consider their performance to be spiritually, not financially motivated. As common as these recordings are, they will never move enough units to trouble the Top of the Pops, or provide much luxury money to the producers. They are the aural equivalent of calendar art -- perhaps not the most rarified expression of spirituality, but sincere nonetheless and not to be laughed at. New Age uses tend to be eclectic, and in such a context Gayatri might be mixed into a practice involving Native American flute, Druid chants, Wiccan spells, Tibetan Buddhist gongs, power crystals and any number of other elements. As such, it falls outside the topic mater of this group, I think. aim mAtangyai namaH , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > Gayatri and Srividya are one and the same as propounded in Varivasya Rahasyam - only, one time Srividya is equivalent to three times Gayatri. 'Gayatri, Vyaahrtrissandhyaa Dwijabrinda nishevitaa' (LS). Hence the traditional view is that the 24 syllabled Gayatri also requires proper initiation. > > Of course, I shall not frown upon New Age practices and advocacies as I am not competent. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 , " Sundari Johansen Hurwitt " <sundarikali wrote: > > Is this not the mark of the kaliyug? That teachings become easier to access? > > Knowledge is plenty and easier to access....... but the gem/wisdom will transcend only to the few. Only the wise will be able to differentiate between a glass and a gem. Many a times even when a gem being thrown before us, we may not be able to see.. we believe that the only one that shines so bright is the true ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Namaste, These " curses " are only for people wanting to recite such things for selfish reasons. If your only motivation is Love and just to praise your Mother and grow closer to Her, know Her, etc., they frankly just don't apply. If there is something you should not do when you approach Her this way, She will surely let you know. JAI AMMA MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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