Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Welcome, Celeste. We don't end up discussing Kali all that often in this group. Other goddess forms tend to get more airtime. Since you're drawn to Kali, you might be interested in an essay I scanned in and posted last January: Fusion of the Soul: Jayashri Ma and the Primordial Mother by June McDaniel /message/28676 /message/28677 /message/28695 /message/28710 /message/28719 , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Many of us Westerners are drawn here by beloved Mahakali. > > --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Lotus of Kali <frozen_winter_tears wrote: > > [....] I have been drawn to Kali Ma [....] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 And while we're on the topic of Kali, here is the Kalikula section from the very well-done Shaktism article at Wikipedia: Kalikula: Family of Kali The Kalikula (family of Kali) form of Shaktism is most dominant in northern and eastern India, and is most widely prevalent in West Bengal, Assam, Bihar and Orissa, as well as parts of Maharashtra and Bangladesh. Kalikula lineages focus upon the Devi as the source of wisdom (vidya) and liberation (moksha). They generally stand " in opposition to the brahmanic tradition, " which they view as " overly conservative and denying the experiential part of religion. " [bengali Shakta, World Culture Encyclopedia, South Asia] The main deities of Kalikula are Kali, Chandi and Durga. Other goddesses that enjoy veneration are Tara and the all other Mahavidyas as well as regional goddesses such as Manasa, the snake goddess, and Sitala, the smallpox goddess - all of them, again, considered aspects of the Divine Mother. [bengali Shakta] Two major centers of Shaktism in West Bengal are Kalighat in Calcutta and Tarapith in Birbhum district. In Calcutta, emphasis is on devotion (bhakti) to the goddess as Kali: She is " the loving mother who protects her children and whose fierceness guards them. She is outwardly frightening - with dark skin, pointed teeth, and a necklace of skulls - but inwardly beautiful. She can guarantee a good rebirth or great religious insight, and her worship is often communal - especially at festivals, such as Kali Puja and Durga Puja. Worship may involve contemplation of the devotee's union with or love of the goddess, visualization of her form, chanting [of her] mantras, prayer before her image or yantra, and giving [of] offerings. " [bengali Shakta] At Tarapith, Devi's manifestation as Tara ( " She Who Saves " ) or Ugratara ( " Fierce Tara " ) is ascendant, as the goddess who gives liberation (kaivalyadayini). [...] The forms of sadhana performed here are more yogic and tantric than devotional, and they often involve sitting alone at the [cremation] ground, surrounded by ash and bone. There are shamanic elements associated with the Tarapith tradition, including 'conquest of the goddess', exorcism, trance, and control of spirits. " [bengali Shakta] The philosophical and devotional underpinning of all such ritual, however, remains a pervasive vision of the Devi as supreme, absolute divinity. As expressed by the nineteenth-century saint Ramakrishna, one of the most influential figures in modern Bengali Shaktism: " Kali is none other than Brahman. That which is called Brahman is really Kali. She is the Primal Energy. When that Energy remains inactive, I call It Brahman, and when It creates, preserves, or destroys, I call It Shakti or Kali. What you call Brahman I call Kali. Brahman and Kali are not different. They are like fire and its power to burn: if one thinks of fire one must think of its power to burn. If one recognizes Kali one must also recognize Brahman; again, if one recognizes Brahman one must recognize Kali. Brahman and Its Power are identical. It is Brahman whom I address as Shakti or Kali. " [Nikhilananda, Swami (trans.), The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Center (New York, 1942, 9th ed. 2000).] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism#Kalikula:_Family_of_Kali > , Shankari Kali > <shankari_kali@> wrote: > > > > Many of us Westerners are drawn here by beloved Mahakali. > > > > --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Lotus of Kali <frozen_winter_tears@> wrote: > > > > [....] I have been drawn to Kali Ma [....] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Namaste: To top everything off, in the Chandi Path, a central Devi scripture, Durga takes three main forms. That of Kali, Saraswati, and Lakshmi. Then you have the ten Mahavidyas which are different forms of Kali, and some of these forms are similar or the same as Lakshmi and various other goddesses. I'm not sure if any of the Mahavidhyas mirror Saraswati, but I think Bagalamukhi may be somewhat like Saraswati. In Devi worship all the goddesses are different faces of the same goddess. Jai Maa! Shankari Enquire: 'Who am I?' and you will find the answer. Look at a tree: from one seed arises a huge tree; from it comes numerous seeds, each one of which in its turn grows into a tree. No two fruits are alike. Yet it is one life that throbs in every particle of the tree. So, it is the same Atman everywhere. --Sri Anandamayi Ma http://shankarikali.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Jai MAA from Kolkata... my husband and I are on pilgrimage and about to fly to Guwahati to visit Kamakhya Mata for several days. It's an incredible blessing. Of the Mahavidyas, Matangi is associated directly with Sarasvati, Kamala with Lakshmi. This is according to the Shakta tradition at Kamakhya, but also elsewhere. At the Kamakhya temple, Kamakhya is identified both with Kali and with Mahatripurasundari/Sodasi (see the Kalikapurana Stotram, Yogini Tantram and Kamakhya Tantram for numerous references). So for Shaktas at Kamakhya, both Kali and Mahatripurasundari are supreme devis, depending on who you talk to. And often you'll be told " there is no difference between them, " especially by sadhakas/sadhikas. Jai MAA -sundari On 12/30/08, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Namaste: > > To top everything off, in the Chandi Path, a central Devi scripture, Durga > takes three main forms. That of Kali, Saraswati, and Lakshmi. Then you have > the ten Mahavidyas which are different forms of Kali, and some of these > forms are similar or the same as Lakshmi and various other goddesses. I'm > not sure if any of the Mahavidhyas mirror Saraswati, but I think Bagalamukhi > may be somewhat like Saraswati. > > In Devi worship all the goddesses are different faces of the same goddess. > > Jai Maa! > Shankari > http://shankarikali.wordpress.com/ > -- *** You'll find Mother in any house. Do I dare say it in public? She is Bhairavi with Shiva, Durga with Her children, Sita with Lakshmana. She's mother, daughter, wife, sister - Every woman close to you. What more can Ramprasad say? You work the rest out from these hints. - Ramprasad Sen (1720-1781) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Namaste Sundari, I am so glad you got to visit India for the New Year. What a blessing! Of the Mahavidyas, Matangi is associated directly with Sarasvati, Kamala with Lakshmi. I did not know that Matangi is associated with Saraswati. Thank you so much. Tripura Sundari is considered the Supreme Deity in the Sri Vidya tradition. Jai Maa! Shankari Enquire: 'Who am I?' and you will find the answer. Look at a tree: from one seed arises a huge tree; from it comes numerous seeds, each one of which in its turn grows into a tree. No two fruits are alike. Yet it is one life that throbs in every particle of the tree. So, it is the same Atman everywhere. --Sri Anandamayi Ma http://shankarikali.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Thank you so much for bringing this essay. It is appreciated. I look forward to reading it. Celeste " When you hear about the Self, meditate upon the Self, and finally realize the Self... you come to understand everything in life. " --Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.5 --- On Mon, 12/29/08, msbauju <msbauju wrote: msbauju <msbauju Fusion of the Soul: Jayashri Ma and the Primordial Mother by June McDaniel http://groups. / group/Shakti_ Sadhana/message/ 28676 http://groups. / group/Shakti_ Sadhana/message/ 28677 http://groups. / group/Shakti_ Sadhana/message/ 28695 http://groups. / group/Shakti_ Sadhana/message/ 28710 http://groups. / group/Shakti_ Sadhana/message/ 28719 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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