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, Robert Partick <robertpartick wrote:

>

> Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

>     Could someone tell me the importance of celibacy? How does celibacy play a

role with married people?

> Thank you,

> Bob

>

 

 

Odd question. Why married if you want to stay celibate? Marriage of convenience?

If you like to know.......almost all the moderators here are married and

sexually active. To be married and no sex....something is awfully wrong

somewhere... unless of course your a " Ramakrishna "

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I apologise about the wording of the question...Some hindu scriptures claim the

that maintaining celibacy helps maintain the purity, concentration and focus of

the mind. but there are examples in mythology where " grihathashramis " maintain

the same level of purity...(example Anasuya who could change the Trimoorthies

into infants by mere sprinkling of water). Does this have a point?

 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, NMadasamy <nora wrote:

 

 

NMadasamy <nora

Re: Celibacy

 

Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Robert Partick <robertpartick@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

>     Could someone tell me the importance of celibacy? How does celibacy play a

role with married people?

> Thank you,

> Bob

>

 

Odd question. Why married if you want to stay celibate? Marriage of convenience?

If you like to know.......almost all the moderators here are married and

sexually active. To be married and no sex....something is awfully wrong

somewhere... unless of course your a " Ramakrishna "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nothing to apologise about. Yes I guess its true some hindu scriptures advocates

celibacy........and some hindu religious organisation too do the same...but most

often what they preach they do not adhere to it. The " swamis " and " swamini " in

public screaming celibacy but behind close doors practising otherwise.

 

 

 

, Robert Partick <robertpartick wrote:

>

> I apologise about the wording of the question...Some hindu scriptures claim

the that maintaining celibacy helps maintain the purity, concentration and focus

of the mind. but there are examples in mythology where " grihathashramis "

maintain the same level of purity...(example Anasuya who could change the

Trimoorthies into infants by mere sprinkling of water). Does this have a point?

>  

> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, NMadasamy <nora wrote:

>

>

> NMadasamy <nora

> Re: Celibacy

>

> Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:31 AM

, Robert Partick <robertpartick@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

> >     Could someone tell me the importance of celibacy? How does celibacy play

a role with married people?

> > Thank you,

> > Bob

> >

>

> Odd question. Why married if you want to stay celibate? Marriage of

convenience? If you like to know.......almost all the moderators here are

married and sexually active. To be married and no sex....something is awfully

wrong somewhere... unless of course your a " Ramakrishna "

>

>

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Celibacy also has a wide variety of interpretation - the oldest upanisads

describe sexual activity as the yajna (I believe that's in the Chandogya),

and describe sex within marriage limited to particular times of day as a

kind of celibate state.

 

Sex as a normal part of life can be a vice or a virtue - it can separate one

from divinity or bring one closer. I think this is the point of certain

tantric philosophies as a whole, that life can be a vice or a virtue, but

it's up to you to find your way through from one side to the other. Sex as a

vice doesn't necessarily mean someone who is addicted to sex - it can mean

someone who uses celibacy as an egoic attachment in and of itself.

 

For some, celibacy will help them find spiritual clarity - for others, it

will be a distraction. But where the values around celibacy came from and

how they work in the context of hinduism - that's a vast topic!

 

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:49 PM, NMadasamy <nora wrote:

 

> Nothing to apologise about. Yes I guess its true some hindu scriptures

> advocates celibacy........and some hindu religious organisation too do the

> same...but most often what they preach they do not adhere to it. The

> " swamis " and " swamini " in public screaming celibacy but behind close doors

> practising otherwise.

>

> <%40>,

> Robert Partick <robertpartick wrote:

> >

> > I apologise about the wording of the question...Some hindu scriptures

> claim the that maintaining celibacy helps maintain the purity, concentration

> and focus of the mind. but there are examples in mythology where

> " grihathashramis " maintain the same level of purity...(example Anasuya who

> could change the Trimoorthies into infants by mere sprinkling of water).

> Does this have a point?

> >

> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, NMadasamy <nora wrote:

> >

> >

> > NMadasamy <nora

> > Re: Celibacy

> > <%40>

> > Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:31 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Robert Partick <robertpartick

wrote:

> > >

> > > Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

> > > Could someone tell me the importance of celibacy? How does celibacy

> play a role with married people?

> > > Thank you,

> > > Bob

> > >

> >

> > Odd question. Why married if you want to stay celibate? Marriage of

> convenience? If you like to know.......almost all the moderators here are

> married and sexually active. To be married and no sex....something is

> awfully wrong somewhere... unless of course your a " Ramakrishna "

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

***

 

You'll find Mother in any house.

Do I dare say it in public?

She is Bhairavi with Shiva,

Durga with Her children,

Sita with Lakshmana.

She's mother, daughter, wife, sister -

Every woman close to you.

What more can Ramprasad say?

You work the rest out from these hints.

 

- Ramprasad Sen (1720-1781)

 

 

 

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In  true Kaula shaktism celibacy has no role

 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Robert Partick <robertpartick wrote:

 

 

Robert Partick <robertpartick

Re: Re: Celibacy

 

Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:08 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I apologise about the wording of the question...Some hindu scriptures claim the

that maintaining celibacy helps maintain the purity, concentration and focus of

the mind. but there are examples in mythology where " grihathashramis " maintain

the same level of purity...(example Anasuya who could change the Trimoorthies

into infants by mere sprinkling of water). Does this have a point?

 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, NMadasamy <nora (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote:

 

NMadasamy <nora (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com>

Re: Celibacy

 

Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

, Robert Partick <robertpartick@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

>     Could someone tell me the importance of celibacy? How does celibacy play a

role with married people?

> Thank you,

> Bob

>

 

Odd question. Why married if you want to stay celibate? Marriage of convenience?

If you like to know.......almost all the moderators here are married and

sexually active. To be married and no sex....something is awfully wrong

somewhere... unless of course your a " Ramakrishna "

 

 

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Extremely well said. I add here again that there is no place for celibacy in

Srividya or Tantra. If there is any mention that is a later interpolation. The

Chandogya vaakya is very relevant as also certain mantras in lalitopakhyana.

 

The reference to celibecay is unnatural. sex is a normal activity (not when you

are in the state St. Peter referred to*smile*) and necessary for the sustanance

of humanity. What will happen if all the populace turned celibate?

 

What is required is reining in uncontrollable sexual urge. In fact Tantra does

not even limit it to wife. But there are restrictions so that the social fabric

is not rent asunder.

 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Sundari Johansen Hurwitt <sundarikali wrote:

 

 

Sundari Johansen Hurwitt <sundarikali

Re: Re: Celibacy

 

Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 12:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Celibacy also has a wide variety of interpretation - the oldest upanisads

describe sexual activity as the yajna (I believe that's in the Chandogya),

and describe sex within marriage limited to particular times of day as a

kind of celibate state.

 

Sex as a normal part of life can be a vice or a virtue - it can separate one

from divinity or bring one closer. I think this is the point of certain

tantric philosophies as a whole, that life can be a vice or a virtue, but

it's up to you to find your way through from one side to the other. Sex as a

vice doesn't necessarily mean someone who is addicted to sex - it can mean

someone who uses celibacy as an egoic attachment in and of itself.

 

For some, celibacy will help them find spiritual clarity - for others, it

will be a distraction. But where the values around celibacy came from and

how they work in the context of hinduism - that's a vast topic!

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:49 PM, NMadasamy <nora (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote:

 

> Nothing to apologise about. Yes I guess its true some hindu scriptures

> advocates celibacy.... ....and some hindu religious organisation too do the

> same...but most often what they preach they do not adhere to it. The

> " swamis " and " swamini " in public screaming celibacy but behind close doors

> practising otherwise.

>

> <% 40. com>,

> Robert Partick <robertpartick@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > I apologise about the wording of the question...Some hindu scriptures

> claim the that maintaining celibacy helps maintain the purity, concentration

> and focus of the mind. but there are examples in mythology where

> " grihathashramis " maintain the same level of purity...(example Anasuya who

> could change the Trimoorthies into infants by mere sprinkling of water).

> Does this have a point?

> >

> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, NMadasamy <nora wrote:

> >

> >

> > NMadasamy <nora

> > Re: Celibacy

> > <% 40. com>

> > Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:31 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Robert Partick <robertpartick@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

> > > Could someone tell me the importance of celibacy? How does celibacy

> play a role with married people?

> > > Thank you,

> > > Bob

> > >

> >

> > Odd question. Why married if you want to stay celibate? Marriage of

> convenience? If you like to know.......almost all the moderators here are

> married and sexually active. To be married and no sex....something is

> awfully wrong somewhere... unless of course your a " Ramakrishna "

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

--

***

 

You'll find Mother in any house.

Do I dare say it in public?

She is Bhairavi with Shiva,

Durga with Her children,

Sita with Lakshmana.

She's mother, daughter, wife, sister -

Every woman close to you.

What more can Ramprasad say?

You work the rest out from these hints.

 

- Ramprasad Sen (1720-1781)

 

 

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