Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 My friends its getting positively irritating to see the subject beef appearing repeatedly should we move on? Eating beef pig or horse is a matter of personal choice and preferences of religion. Spirituality and religion are not the same. When you are on the right path automatically all negativity will fall by the wayside ...u really don't need to find answers of what to eat drink and how to conduct yourself from anyone...we all have an inner voice. Let us be more guided on attaining bliss and being a spiritually complete person. Rashmi ________________________________ Sundari Johansen Hurwitt <sundarikali Saturday, 2 May, 2009 5:15:35 AM Re: Re: beef Lively discussion! Just a point of note - Hitler was not a vegetarian. His doctors told him to be a vegetarian for health issues, but he continued to sneak meat into his food, such as hiding sausages in his meals. He was also a hunter, etc. That being said, the point that vegetarianism doesn't make one a peace-loving person is certainly true. -sundari On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Tulasi <thundergod999@ > wrote: > > > Hi > > I possed a question on wether a hindu can eat beef. I got the answer now. > thanks > > But the argument keep going back to vegetarianism. > > I wish to share my view on this. > If ur into vegetarianism its good for spirituality. One fasting enthusiats > told me that removes toxins from the body. And his fasting is just drinking > plain water for 10 to 14 days. Absolutly no food goes though his mouth > during this fast. At the end of the fast(zero food) he attains excellent > mental clarity that increases his psychic powers. He attribute it to toxins > in meat, insecticide and fertilizer in plant. When he does not consume > anything all toxins are removed. But i doubt that vegetatianism makes one > peace loving eg .Hitler was a vegetarian. > > So can one attain moksha by vegetarianism. That a defininate yes. > > Now comming to meat. Can one reach moksha. Somewhere in the shakti sadhana > website , Goddess matangi, when she was on earth, she was a meat eater. So > any vegetarian who is adament about their vegetarian position should then go > to the picture of goddess Matangi(and many other gods and godess) and yell > at her for being non vegetarian. Even other herbivourious primates like > chimpanzee sometime take a diet of meat(probably for biological rasons). And > human are omniverious , we (in theory)need at least a little meat in our > diet. If i remember corectly , our intestines not exactly a herbivours one > and there are certain vitamins lacking in vegetarian food.. > > But can one attain moksa with non vegetarianism. That is an also astounding > yes. (So its ok to be a non vegetarian, im sure many throughout history > reached moksha) > > Let me streach the topic. If one wants to do tantric sex attain moksha ,let > them carry on. If one wants to smoke marijuana and attain moksha , let them > carry on.(but getting arrested by police is a sparate matter). If one is > disgusted people having tantric sex and smoking marijuana for spirituality, > then curse and swear at lord Shiva. > > Lastly on this matter on books, different books tells u different thing. > Its like a blind man feeling the elephants tail and calling it elephant and > while another blind man holding a trunk and calling elephant. I think its > more important to choose a correct methodology about doing well in it. > whatever bring you moksha, then fine. > > I think a person not harming animals is his or her personal choice.. It is > sometimes reenforced because there are books that promote such behaviour. So > If such person eats meat , it automatically becomes a sin.. But for all > others (non vegetarians) who dont follow such rules, there is no sin. > > Books sometimes can be dangerous. A group of people interprated a holy and > it lead to the collapse of the world trade center in 9/11. > Another group of fanatics in india (which im so ashamed of) are attacking > christian rendering them homeless. I dont know what on basis or book they > carry out their actions. (Christian are also worshiping lord shiva) > > My point is books are guide not absolute truth, > > <% 40. com>, > Rajesh MR <mrrajeshvedam@ ...> wrote: > > > > What I pointed is ,charaka the exponder of ayurveda says that when we > start meat havan in yaga ,verious illness also started in the earth.If > ajamamsa rasayana in ayurveda means it is against charaka.Another thing aja > in commen sanskrit means goat.But when it takes aja medha there aja means > not to take birth.it is the meaning of god also.here aja in rasayana is > actually seven years old rice grain.it will not sprougt out because of its > oldness.The system of ayurveda is the off shoot of veda.I think we must have > a good research on this thing .thanking all of you.acharya m.r.rajesh > > > > > > --- On Thu, 30/4/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz@.. .> wrote: > > > > sankara menon <kochu1tz@.. .> > > Re: Re: beef > > <% 40. com> > > Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > > Maybe my friends should read Lalitopakhyana. The relevant portion is > already translated and available in the files section lali.pdf. There meat > eating and drinking have already been dealt with. > > > > > -- *** Sri Kamakhya Mahavidya Mandir www.kamakhyamandir. org You'll find Mother in any house. Do I dare say it in public? She is Bhairavi with Shiva, Durga with Her children, Sita with Lakshmana. She's mother, daughter, wife, sister - Every woman close to you. What more can Ramprasad say? You work the rest out from these hints. - Ramprasad Sen (1720-1781) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Quite the contrary-- this discussion has brought the group back to life. It is also very enriching to learn from so many different views. I would personally like more and more people to participate. Aditya On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:54 AM, rush ram <rume235 wrote: > > > My friends its getting positively irritating to see the subject > beef appearing repeatedly should we move on? Eating beef pig or horse is a > matter of personal choice and preferences of religion. > Spirituality and religion are not the same. > When you are on the right path automatically all negativity will fall by > the wayside ...u really don't need to find answers of what to eat drink and > how to conduct yourself from anyone...we all have an inner voice. > Let us be more guided on attaining bliss and being a spiritually complete > person. > > Rashmi > > ________________________________ > Sundari Johansen Hurwitt <sundarikali<sundarikali%40gmail.com> > > > <%40> > Saturday, 2 May, 2009 5:15:35 AM > Re: Re: beef > > Lively discussion! > Just a point of note - Hitler was not a vegetarian. His doctors told him to > be a vegetarian for health issues, but he continued to sneak meat into his > food, such as hiding sausages in his meals. He was also a hunter, etc. > > That being said, the point that vegetarianism doesn't make one a > peace-loving person is certainly true. > > -sundari > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Tulasi <thundergod999@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I possed a question on wether a hindu can eat beef. I got the answer now. > > thanks > > > > But the argument keep going back to vegetarianism. > > > > I wish to share my view on this. > > If ur into vegetarianism its good for spirituality. One fasting > enthusiats > > told me that removes toxins from the body. And his fasting is just > drinking > > plain water for 10 to 14 days. Absolutly no food goes though his mouth > > during this fast. At the end of the fast(zero food) he attains excellent > > mental clarity that increases his psychic powers. He attribute it to > toxins > > in meat, insecticide and fertilizer in plant. When he does not consume > > anything all toxins are removed. But i doubt that vegetatianism makes one > > peace loving eg .Hitler was a vegetarian. > > > > So can one attain moksha by vegetarianism. That a defininate yes. > > > > Now comming to meat. Can one reach moksha. Somewhere in the shakti > sadhana > > website , Goddess matangi, when she was on earth, she was a meat eater. > So > > any vegetarian who is adament about their vegetarian position should then > go > > to the picture of goddess Matangi(and many other gods and godess) and > yell > > at her for being non vegetarian. Even other herbivourious primates like > > chimpanzee sometime take a diet of meat(probably for biological rasons). > And > > human are omniverious , we (in theory)need at least a little meat in our > > diet. If i remember corectly , our intestines not exactly a herbivours > one > > and there are certain vitamins lacking in vegetarian food.. > > > > But can one attain moksa with non vegetarianism. That is an also > astounding > > yes. (So its ok to be a non vegetarian, im sure many throughout history > > reached moksha) > > > > Let me streach the topic. If one wants to do tantric sex attain moksha > ,let > > them carry on. If one wants to smoke marijuana and attain moksha , let > them > > carry on.(but getting arrested by police is a sparate matter). If one is > > disgusted people having tantric sex and smoking marijuana for > spirituality, > > then curse and swear at lord Shiva. > > > > Lastly on this matter on books, different books tells u different thing. > > Its like a blind man feeling the elephants tail and calling it elephant > and > > while another blind man holding a trunk and calling elephant. I think its > > more important to choose a correct methodology about doing well in it. > > whatever bring you moksha, then fine. > > > > I think a person not harming animals is his or her personal choice.. It > is > > sometimes reenforced because there are books that promote such behaviour. > So > > If such person eats meat , it automatically becomes a sin.. But for all > > others (non vegetarians) who dont follow such rules, there is no sin. > > > > Books sometimes can be dangerous. A group of people interprated a holy > and > > it lead to the collapse of the world trade center in 9/11. > > Another group of fanatics in india (which im so ashamed of) are attacking > > christian rendering them homeless. I dont know what on basis or book they > > carry out their actions. (Christian are also worshiping lord shiva) > > > > My point is books are guide not absolute truth, > > > > <% 40. > com>, > > Rajesh MR <mrrajeshvedam@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > What I pointed is ,charaka the exponder of ayurveda says that when we > > start meat havan in yaga ,verious illness also started in the earth.If > > ajamamsa rasayana in ayurveda means it is against charaka.Another thing > aja > > in commen sanskrit means goat.But when it takes aja medha there aja means > > not to take birth.it is the meaning of god also.here aja in rasayana is > > actually seven years old rice grain.it will not sprougt out because of > its > > oldness.The system of ayurveda is the off shoot of veda.I think we must > have > > a good research on this thing .thanking all of you.acharya m.r.rajesh > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 30/4/09, sankara menon <kochu1tz@.. .> wrote: > > > > > > sankara menon <kochu1tz@.. .> > > > Re: Re: beef > > > <% 40. > com> > > > Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > > > > Maybe my friends should read Lalitopakhyana. The relevant portion is > > already translated and available in the files section lali.pdf. There > meat > > eating and drinking have already been dealt with. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > *** > Sri Kamakhya Mahavidya Mandir > www.kamakhyamandir. org > > You'll find Mother in any house. > Do I dare say it in public? > She is Bhairavi with Shiva, > Durga with Her children, > Sita with Lakshmana. > She's mother, daughter, wife, sister - > Every woman close to you. > What more can Ramprasad say? > You work the rest out from these hints. > > - Ramprasad Sen (1720-1781) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 The " don't eat beef/don't kill animals " bit has gotten rather repetitive, but the side discussions on Tantric practices are interesting -- and right on topic! Please continue! , Aditya Kumar Jha <aditya.kr.jha wrote: > > Quite the contrary-- this discussion has > brought the group back to life. It > is also very enriching to learn from so many different views. > I would > personally like more and more people to participate. > > Aditya > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:54 AM, rush ram <rume235 wrote: > > > > My friends its getting positively irritating to see the subject > > beef appearing repeatedly should we move on? [....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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