Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 jai gurudev jai maa shakti dear friends, i will write a slightly longish mail,hope no one gets bored. what is god ???? god wud be something some force who created us,or evolved us. let us examine : man is not created from mud/dirt by any semitic deity. man is evoled by nature from 1 celled organisms. now which god is nature ???? in india in sanskrut and local languages nature is knwn as PRAKRUTI in srimad devi bhagwat puran and sri devi atharvasheesh, and many other ved puran this verse is very common : the gods say thus namo devyey mahadevyey shivayey satatam namah namaha PRAKRUTIYEY bhadrayay miyataha pranatam smatam we bow to the godess the great goddess to the good one we bow continously we bow to MOTHER NATURE the protector we bow to u again and again energy = shakti = prakruti = nature. energy is matter,and directly co-related. einsteine's formula : e=mc=squared means energy = mass[matter] x velocity of light sqaured this energy is matter in another form. in india,we worship mother shakti means mother nature in all her forms : brahma = creative energy vishnu = protective energy rudra = destructive energy sun,moon,thunder,rain,forest,water,fire,air,water,oceans,rivers etc....... our body is made of 5 elements and soul,ie matter and energy which is just a manifestation of energy. in pagan culture ie indo european culture,god=nature is not considered seperat from us. for us mother shakti is our every breath,the water we drink the food we eat,the pleausres we have etc...ie all that exists is mother herself. these facts r written in ved and puran. in various puran there r instances where people who were uninitiated by any guru got direct initiation from mother in various forme,by dream,or mother direct or also some friend showing the path. the concet of energy=godshakti=nature is very easy to grast and understand as it is truth and scientificlaly provable. when i was very young around age 10-12 i used to do simply : om aim hreem shreem this small mantra itself is the opener of kundalini and giver of self realisation-salvation. it is a siddh mantra due to being made of beej mantras and it gives great peace,i do it even today even when working etc... this mantra and some others i had posted dont require any special guru deeksha etc....but r effective.pls be assured of this fact. i learnt many mantras and also got initiation over time in 10 mahavidyas etc....that is a different issue. but the concept of worshipping divine mother is from the time when man evoled by nature in africa and moved to the whole world. energy exists all around everhwhere. finally,mother is most loving and caring and she always forgives us her children. so dont fear her,but love her. she is non judgemental and accepts us as we are. pls read sri devi geeta,srimad devi bhagwat puran etc,if u can in english. gopal On 7/16/09, Sergio Knipe <sergio.knipe wrote: > Namaste Oliver - > > And thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can really see where you're > coming from, and personally have many similar thoughts in my head. > > When it comes to using mantras and the performance of puja there is no one > view among " Hindus " . I have spoken to shaktas in both India and Europe who > discourage devotees who are un-initiated from using *any* mantra; I have > also seen people pass on highly potent Tantric mantras over the Internet > (as on this list)! > > Personally, I go for the middle path: I try to stick to simple forms of > ritual (basic puja) and japa ( " Om Sri Matre namah " ), in the hope of > receiving proper initiation one day. I find that the teaching of Swami > Satyananda Saraswati and Shree Maa from the Davi Mandir of Napa > (California) is of great help for those who like me wish to embark on the > journey but have little access to traditonal lore. > > I wouldn't say that Tantrism and bhakti are in opposition to one another: > esoteric ritual, from what I understand, is primarily a tool to augment > devotion (i.e. to achieve wisdom of the heart). To put it in other words, > Tantrism (Sri Vidya) is a tool to awaken love for God and move faster > towards the Centre. > > A second important question you raise is that of " Hinduism " and what it > means to worship the Devi in the West. I feel it is very important for us > Westerners to ponder this question in depth. I also feel that it is > impossible for Europeans to love the Devi without realising that She is > also the same Mother whom our pagan ancestors worshipped under many names > and whom our Christian forefathers surrendered to as Mary, Queen of > Heaven. A beautiful devotional site that focuses on Her in all these (and > many other) aspects is www.mother-god.com. > > Why the teaching of Sanatana Dharma - with its rites and seemingly exotic > customs - is so important for Westerners today is because it is one of the > few traditions on Earth to have preserved the worship of the Mother > intact. Practicing " Hinduism " requires a lot of effort, study and > determination, but if this is necessary to grow closer to Her then so be > it. I do not wish to become Indian, but turn to India as the place where > the flame of devotion to Her is still burning bright. I hope that through > the generosity of our Indian brothers the torch will be passed on to us so > that worship of the Mother may be reinstated in our lands. > > Yours in Devi, > > Sergio > > > > > Pranams, > > > > I have been reading with great interest the posts on Bagalamukhi, and I > > wonder now as to whether the issue of secrecy regarding mantras is > > exclusive to tantrism or whether it can, and perhaps should be, more > > generally addressed among and between varying schools of Hindu thought > > wherein it does not seem to be an issue at all. > > > > How can one, for example, understand the necessity of secrecy from the > > perspective of pure devotion? If we maintain that Shakti is Brahman--well, > > does She not know the heart of those that love Her? Is She blind to the > > intentions of Her little children? Does a mother seek to kill her children > > because they are children? I come to my Mother without discipline, without > > sincerity, without ability, and without anything of merit, but I am her > > child. And I trust Her completely. Why ever would I not? Should the tiger > > cub be afraid of its mother's fangs? On the other hand, were I to approach > > my Beloved as though She were a monster bent on my utter destruction I > > would surely deserve to be swatted by Her for mispronouncing Her name. But > > She is All. So what of it? What does the All which is All care about puja > > if the tears of the heart are not honey to Her? > > > > I mean, if you take mantra as being part and parcel of an entire ritual > > structure wherein every element is scientifically geared towards > > generating a very specific effect I can well understand why diksha would > > be important; and I could see why the recitation of certain mantras would > > remain secret if such practices are to remain fully embedded within an > > extremely complex and esoteric understanding of reality and of our place > > within it--but outside of tantrism, I see no point to it at all. > > > > Given the fundamental universality of the Sanatana Dharma, where does the > > issue of ritual secrecy come in outside of tantric traditions? For that > > matter, what do the esoteric doctrines and practices of the various > > tantric traditions contribute to that mighty river which is Indian > > philosophical thought? The way Shaktism is presented disturbs me. But is > > Shaktism necessarily tantric? Is it not far more than sectarian infighting > > and scholasticism? When I behold my beloved Mother I see LIFE, not a > > rule-book of ritual pronunciations. What does She who lives in the > > cremation grounds and who transgresses all boundaries and rituals and > > superstitions upheld and cherished by the ego have to do with the > > technicalities of arcane rituals bent on the acquisition of powers? Where > > is the Mother's ecstasy? Where is Her wisdom and Her love? Would Kali have > > taken Ramakrishna's head if in his ecstatic love for Her he had > > momentarily forgotten the technical details of Her rituals and tossed Her > > a rotted mango instead? > > > > In an age which has lost its spiritual heart, who really cares about > > seemingly sectarian issues anyway? It is very easy to say that the > > Tradition needs to be maintained as it has been handed down; that things > > need to be done in certain ways, and according to certain meticulously > > elaborated precepts. But it is quite something else to reach into the > > living, juicy, feminine heart of ritual and to make it truly alive for the > > liberation of souls. Or of what use is it? Anyone in any age can learn to > > toss about technical terms. But who reaches the wild heart of Shakti? Who > > tastes of her freedom? Does not Kali, in the taking of heads, embody the > > very antithesis of the aggressive intellectualism and obscurantism upheld > > by certain occult teachings within the traditions who claim to represent > > Her? > > > > Now obviously, I am not a Hindu. Nor did I grow up within the matrix of > > India's ancient cultural traditions. But Kali as Shakti as Brahman is not > > a Hindu goddess, and I cannot worship her as a Hindu, nor do I have any > > desire to appropriate the beauty of Her rituals, or to employ Hindu > > elements in my devotions to Her. It would not make sense, and it would > > not be right. I was not grown within the soil which gave those traditions > > of ritual feasting meaning and power and birth. As a human being > > though,perhaps I can come to understand the necessity of maintaining the > > seed elements of creation a secret--not intellectually, because that does > > not interest me--but emotionally and intuitively. > > > > Please forgive any offense I have inadvertantly given. I speak in > > unknowing. Blessings of Her peace upon all of your heads. > > > > Oliver > > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: > > this mantra and some others i had posted dont > require any special guru deeksha etc....but r > effective.pls be assured of this fact. > ARE YOU SURE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Who is Shakti?..... Allow her to answer for Herself.... I am Manifest, Unmanifest and Transcendent Divinity, I am Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva As well as Saraswati, Laksmi and Parvati I am the Earth, The Sun and the Stars And I am the also the Moon I am all animal and birds, And I am the outcast as well, and the thief I am the low person of dreadful deeds, And the great person of excellent deeds I am Female. I am Male and I am Neuter In the Devi's Supreme Cosmic Form, The Satyaloka is situated on the topmost of Her head; The Sun and Moon are her eyes; The quarters of the sky are Her ears; The Vedas are Her words; The Universe is Her heart; The Earth is Her loins; The space between earth and sky is Her navel; The constellations are Her Thighs; The Maharaloka is Her neck; The Janarloka is Her face; Indra and the Devas of the Svarloka are her arms; Sound is the organ of Her ears; Fire is within her Face; Day and Night are Her wings; The mountains are Her bones; The rivers are Her veins, And the trees are the hairs of Her body. Childhood, youth, and old age are Her finest modes; The two twilights are Her raiment; And the Moon is the mind of the Mother of the Universe. ~ Devi Bhagavata Purana, VII.33.1-21 I travel with the Rudras and the Vasus, with the Adityas and All-Gods I wander. I hold aloft both Varuna and Mitra, Indra and Agni, and the Pair of Asvins. I cherish and sustain high-swelling Soma, and Tvastar I support, Pusan, and Bhaga. I load with wealth the zealous sacrificer who pours the juice and offers his oblation I am the Queen, the gatherer-up of treasures, most thoughtful, first of those who merit worship. Thus Gods have stablished me in many places with many homes to enter and abide in. Through me alone all eat the food that feeds them,-each man who sees, brewhes, hears the word outspoken. They know it not, but yet they dwell beside me. Hear, one and all, the truth as I declare it. I, verily, myself announce and utter the word that Gods and men alike shall welcome. I make the man I love exceeding mighty, make him a sage, a Rsi, and a Brahman. I bend the bow for Rudra that his arrow may strike and slay the hater of devotion. I rouse and order battle for the people, and I have penetrated Earth and Heaven. On the world's summit I bring forth the Father: my home is in the waters, in the ocean. Thence I extend o'er all existing creatures, and touch even yonder heaven with my forehead. I breathe a strong breath like the wind and tempest, the while I hold together all existence. Beyond this wide earth and beyond the heavens I have become so mighty in my grandeur. Devi suktha-Rigveda, mandala 1,suktha 125 So, the creation that you are about to perform, know Shakti to be the cause thereof. When you will be endowed with that Shakti, you will be able to create the world. Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Agni, Moon, Sun, Death, and all the other deities are able to do their karmas only when they are united with their respective Shaktis. This earth, when united with Shakti, remains fixed and becomes capable to hold all beings inhabiting it. If it be devoid of this power, it cannot support even an atom. " Devi Bhagavata Purana: 3.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 So? electricity exists everywhere, all round and inside ourselves. So are you going to catch a live High tension wire with your bare hands? Go ahead!! enjoy!! Moderator jai gurudev dear friend, very good work.mother adi shakti is the ONLY PROVABLE TRUTH AND PROVABLE GOD,AND ALL ASPECTS OF HER R THE GODS AND GODDESSES. she exists everywhere.as in sri devi atharvasheesh : i exist above and below and all around, ir energy exists everywhere. infact she is all that exists and we r her children and ourself part of mother adi shakti. jai maa shakti om shakti gopal On 7/17/09, NMadasamy <nora wrote: > > > > Who is Shakti?..... Allow her to answer for Herself.... > > I am Manifest, Unmanifest and Transcendent Divinity, > > I am Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva > > As well as Saraswati, Laksmi and Parvati > > I am the Earth, The Sun and the Stars > > And I am the also the Moon > > I am all animal and birds, > > And I am the outcast as well, and the thief > > I am the low person of dreadful deeds, > > And the great person of excellent deeds > > I am Female. I am Male and I am Neuter > > In the Devi's Supreme Cosmic Form, > > The Satyaloka is situated on the topmost of Her head; > > The Sun and Moon are her eyes; > > The quarters of the sky are Her ears; > > The Vedas are Her words; > > The Universe is Her heart; > > The Earth is Her loins; > > The space between earth and sky is Her navel; > > The constellations are Her Thighs; > > The Maharaloka is Her neck; > > The Janarloka is Her face; > > Indra and the Devas of the Svarloka are her arms; > > Sound is the organ of Her ears; > > Fire is within her Face; > > Day and Night are Her wings; > > The mountains are Her bones; > > The rivers are Her veins, > > And the trees are the hairs of Her body. > > Childhood, youth, and old age are Her finest modes; > > The two twilights are Her raiment; > > And the Moon is the mind of the Mother of the Universe. > > ~ Devi Bhagavata Purana, VII.33.1-21 > > I travel with the Rudras and the Vasus, with the Adityas and All-Gods I > wander. I hold aloft both Varuna and Mitra, Indra and Agni, and the Pair of > Asvins. > > I cherish and sustain high-swelling Soma, and Tvastar I support, Pusan, and > Bhaga. I load with wealth the zealous sacrificer who pours the juice and > offers his oblation > > I am the Queen, the gatherer-up of treasures, most thoughtful, first of > those who merit worship. Thus Gods have stablished me in many places with > many homes to enter and abide in. > > Through me alone all eat the food that feeds them,-each man who sees, > brewhes, hears the word outspoken. They know it not, but yet they dwell > beside me. Hear, one and all, the truth as I declare it. > > I, verily, myself announce and utter the word that Gods and men alike shall > welcome. I make the man I love exceeding mighty, make him a sage, a Rsi, and > a Brahman. > > I bend the bow for Rudra that his arrow may strike and slay the hater of > devotion. I rouse and order battle for the people, and I have penetrated > Earth and Heaven. > > On the world's summit I bring forth the Father: my home is in the waters, > in the ocean. Thence I extend o'er all existing creatures, and touch even > yonder heaven with my forehead. > > I breathe a strong breath like the wind and tempest, the while I hold > together all existence. Beyond this wide earth and beyond the heavens I have > become so mighty in my grandeur. > > Devi suktha-Rigveda, mandala 1,suktha 125 > > So, the creation that you are about to perform, know Shakti to be the cause > thereof. When you will be endowed with that Shakti, you will be able to > create the world. Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Agni, Moon, Sun, Death, and all the > other deities are able to do their karmas only when they are united with > their respective Shaktis. This earth, when united with Shakti, remains fixed > and becomes capable to hold all beings inhabiting it. If it be devoid of > this power, it cannot support even an atom. " > > Devi Bhagavata Purana: 3.6 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 jai gurudev dear friend, why dont u try ??? there r many mantras which r swayam siddha,these r known as swayam siddha mantras and also sabar mantras. om shakti gopal On 7/17/09, NMadasamy <nora wrote: > > > > <%40>, > gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: > > > > this mantra and some others i had posted dont > > require any special guru deeksha etc....but r > > effective.pls be assured of this fact. > > > > ARE YOU SURE? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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