Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. , Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathbabu wrote: > > Please read Bhagwan Osho's " From sex to superconciousness " . It is very beautiful. A must read. > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=EsZdbPuDVlEC & dq=from+sex+to+superconsciousness & p\ rintsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=52TpxLqCAa & sig=AxwIJKEuOooywrcb7gvQgyRzI1U & hl=e\ n & ei=T2K6SpzPE4aUtgf84anuDg & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & \ f=false > > Priya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I'ts too easy to stand up and cast a shadowy doubt on Osho making a vague reference to " all the horrifying things " you have heard about him and give no reference. Just leave the imagination and fears of people to do the rest of the work for you in discrediting a very intelligent and much beloved man. A comment like this one which discounts another person based on no sound reference is just as easy to ignore and discount. In other words, you haven't said anything meaningful as far as I'm concerned. If you're criticism of Osho is going to be meaningful it's going to have to have more substance, at least for me. , " sd " <salharmonica wrote: > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. > > , Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathbabu@> wrote: > > > > Please read Bhagwan Osho's " From sex to superconciousness " . It is very beautiful. A must read. > > > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=EsZdbPuDVlEC & dq=from+sex+to+superconsciousness & p\ rintsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=52TpxLqCAa & sig=AxwIJKEuOooywrcb7gvQgyRzI1U & hl=e\ n & ei=T2K6SpzPE4aUtgf84anuDg & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & \ f=false > > > > Priya > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Dear SD, Please do not always believe whatever you hear. Find out yourself. Honestly speaking, I too had the idea that he was some kind of a sex guru. But this book changed my view completely. Its the people who are making up stuff ( people who don't like him or hinduism ). Ever since I became his fan and have been collecting a lot of His books. His commentary on Bhagavad Gita is superb . His way of saying things are different and very amusing. I am not trying to force anything upon you, just expressing my views. Priya _______________________________ sd <salharmonica Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:20:01 PM Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 dear lord, I knew this would happen....I said I've heard horrifying things about him because I've heard horrifying things about him. What would be the point in rehashing every juicy detail? I'm sure everyone who's heard of Osho and read of him knows what I'm talking about. And I only brought it up because another poster mentioned Osho's book, and because I've heard certain things about him, I thought I'd mention it. Suffice it to say, I've read news accounts of police raids involving him, and other things that aren't fit to mention here. You're right- I don't know if they're true. On the other hand, we don't hear things like this about other Hindu gurus (like Vivekananda, Mataji Vanamali, or Yogananda). So why would stories on Osho suddenly pop up like this? I was a child when those incidents allegedly took place- so I have no idea of their truth. All I know is- rumors tend to have a seed somewhere. Again, it's gone to this point only because I mentioned what I'VE heard and how it related to this post. None of this has anything to do with kama in the Hindu scriptures, so if anyone has anything to add to that particular topic, please feel free. , " Sunflower " <sunflowerzmagick wrote: > > I'ts too easy to stand up and cast a shadowy doubt on Osho making a vague reference to " all the horrifying things " you have heard about him and give no reference. Just leave the imagination and fears of people to do the rest of the work for you in discrediting a very intelligent and much beloved man. A comment like this one which discounts another person based on no sound reference is just as easy to ignore and discount. In other words, you haven't said anything meaningful as far as I'm concerned. If you're criticism of Osho is going to be meaningful it's going to have to have more substance, at least for me. > > , " sd " <salharmonica@> wrote: > > > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. > > > > , Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathbabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Please read Bhagwan Osho's " From sex to superconciousness " . It is very beautiful. A must read. > > > > > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=EsZdbPuDVlEC & dq=from+sex+to+superconsciousness & p\ rintsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=52TpxLqCAa & sig=AxwIJKEuOooywrcb7gvQgyRzI1U & hl=e\ n & ei=T2K6SpzPE4aUtgf84anuDg & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & \ f=false > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Priya- You do raise a good point- find out for myself. But how exactly would I do that? All I have to go on are books and magazines- all of which contradict each other. And Osho followers, some of whom love him, and some of whom hate him. Since he's dead, I can't go meet him and find out for myself that way. I hope I'm not coming across as sarcastic or rude- I do appreciate your response to my post, but I'm not sure how to solve the Osho mystery since there are hell-heaven accounts of people's experiences with him. , Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathbabu wrote: > > Dear SD, > > Please do not always believe whatever you hear. Find out yourself. Honestly speaking, I too had the idea that he was some kind of a sex guru. But this book changed my view completely. Its the people who are making up stuff ( people who don't like him or hinduism ). Ever since I became his fan and have been collecting a lot of His books. His commentary on Bhagavad Gita is superb . His way of saying things are different and very amusing. I am not trying to force anything upon you, just expressing my views. > > Priya > > > > > _______________________________ > sd <salharmonica > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:20:01 PM > Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama > > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 One of my favorite books, so favorite that I have a copy in English and one in Spanish, so favorite that I keep several new copies in my bookshelf to give away as presents to friends and family members, so favorite that I refer to it from time to time...it is Osho´s Love, Freedom, Aloneness; the koan of relationships. Do you think I pay attention to what I hear or read about him? When you are done reading this book, read his books on Zen and Yoga, the keep on studying....Awareness, Intuition...and on and on. Oh, and I am not ashamed to say I read and study Osho! Thanks --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Sunflower <sunflowerzmagick wrote: Sunflower <sunflowerzmagick Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 4:15 PM I'ts too easy to stand up and cast a shadowy doubt on Osho making a vague reference to " all the horrifying things " you have heard about him and give no reference. Just leave the imagination and fears of people to do the rest of the work for you in discrediting a very intelligent and much beloved man. A comment like this one which discounts another person based on no sound reference is just as easy to ignore and discount. In other words, you haven't said anything meaningful as far as I'm concerned. If you're criticism of Osho is going to be meaningful it's going to have to have more substance, at least for me. , " sd " <salharmonica@ ...> wrote: > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. > > , Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathba bu@> wrote: > > > > Please read Bhagwan Osho's " From sex to superconciousness " . It is very beautiful. A must read. > > > > http://books. google.ca/ books?id= EsZdbPuDVlEC & dq=from+sex+ to+superconsciou sness & printsec= frontcover & source=bl & ots=52TpxLqCAa & sig=AxwIJKEuOooy wrcb7gvQgyRzI1U & hl=en & ei= T2K6SpzPE4aUtgf8 4anuDg & sa= X & oi=book_ result & ct= result & resnum= 3#v=onepage & q= & f=false > > > > Priya > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 An excellent book that will give some perspective on Osho's legacy is *My Life in Orange: Growing Up With the Guru*, by Tim Guest (formerly Swami Prem Yogesh), an English writer whose mother was heavily involved as an organizer with the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) in the 70s and 80s. He grew up on the communes and gives a unique perspective. I highly recommend it. Also, almost any time you question someone's guru, you're going to get flak for it, even if the questioning is well-founded. A lot of Osho's followers don't really have a clear concept of what was going on with his group in the 70s and 80s, or why it was considered a " sex cult " by the press. The book I mentioned above gives both inside and outside reflections on the matter. jai MAA kamesvari -kulasundari On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:46 PM, sd <salharmonica wrote: > > > dear lord, I knew this would happen....I said I've heard horrifying things > about him because I've heard horrifying things about him. What would be the > point in rehashing every juicy detail? I'm sure everyone who's heard of Osho > and read of him knows what I'm talking about. And I only brought it up > because another poster mentioned Osho's book, and because I've heard certain > things about him, I thought I'd mention it. > > Suffice it to say, I've read news accounts of police raids involving him, > and other things that aren't fit to mention here. > > You're right- I don't know if they're true. On the other hand, we don't > hear things like this about other Hindu gurus (like Vivekananda, Mataji > Vanamali, or Yogananda). So why would stories on Osho suddenly pop up like > this? I was a child when those incidents allegedly took place- so I have no > idea of their truth. All I know is- rumors tend to have a seed somewhere. > > Again, it's gone to this point only because I mentioned what I'VE heard and > how it related to this post. > > None of this has anything to do with kama in the Hindu scriptures, so if > anyone has anything to add to that particular topic, please feel free. > > <%40>, > " Sunflower " <sunflowerzmagick wrote: > > > > I'ts too easy to stand up and cast a shadowy doubt on Osho making a vague > reference to " all the horrifying things " you have heard about him and give > no reference. Just leave the imagination and fears of people to do the rest > of the work for you in discrediting a very intelligent and much beloved man. > A comment like this one which discounts another person based on no sound > reference is just as easy to ignore and discount. In other words, you > haven't said anything meaningful as far as I'm concerned. If you're > criticism of Osho is going to be meaningful it's going to have to have more > substance, at least for me. > > > > <%40>, > " sd " <salharmonica@> wrote: > > > > > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider > considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link > though. > > > > > > <%40>, > Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathbabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please read Bhagwan Osho's " From sex to superconciousness " . It is > very beautiful. A must read. > > > > > > > > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=EsZdbPuDVlEC & dq=from+sex+to+superconsciousness & p\ rintsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=52TpxLqCAa & sig=AxwIJKEuOooywrcb7gvQgyRzI1U & hl=e\ n & ei=T2K6SpzPE4aUtgf84anuDg & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & \ f=false > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Please don't get all bent out of shape about it. I just thought your post was too vague. I used to read a lot of Osho myself, back in college when he still was called " Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh " -- and actually the books I read did not have anything to do with sex (tho I'm not implying anything about what went on inside his ashram cuz I don't know anything about that). The books I read were all about zen stories and his contemplations on them. Actually I threw all his books out because something he said struck me as out of character and offended me. Then, suddenly he was in the new, in the USA for SCANDAL, that he had taken all money from his followers and invested it in a big collection of cadillacs. That's what I remember just from memory. Also I've heard some stuff on the net, some women complaining of feeling slighted about some treatment they received at his ashram. However, over the years, I've run across some of his writings on the net and now some of his talks he gave before he died are on YouTube. His writings are still good. Most of his writings that I have seen are not about sex, and the few that I have seen that are, seem pretty sensible. One I saw he advised men to take their time and not rush when making love. How can somebody argue against that? So, I see him as just a person. Consider this: Martha Stewart actually spent time in Jail. She's back on the air and a lot of people still like her. Just because somebody is not perfect and has made a few mistakes, doesn't mean they aren't intelligent, creative and have alot of good ideas. There are alot of complicated figures in history. I just thought your comment seemed vague and I thought " Oh my God did he do something I haven't Heard about, like Murder? " There's that Sadguru fellow who's in India now who DID create a big stir when his wife died at his ashram and he cremated her before anyone found out and alot of people felt disturbed there was no investigation and he FLED to usa. So, in terms of somebody who is NOT investigated and why they are NOT investigated, it may be interesting to know that I think there is some statistic like only2% of crimes ever get convicted. So there are a LOT of people getting away with a LOT of things that nobody ever finds out about. AND there is a lot of big hype going around about some of the more extravagent characters and OSHO WAS extravagent and if even a little bit of the sensationalism was true about his ashram being a sex cult, sex often gets in the new before anything else. And could be the reason why He was investigated when others were not. Peace, Sunflower , " sd " <salharmonica wrote: > > dear lord, I knew this would happen....I said I've heard horrifying things about him because I've heard horrifying things about him. What would be the point in rehashing every juicy detail? I'm sure everyone who's heard of Osho and read of him knows what I'm talking about. And I only brought it up because another poster mentioned Osho's book, and because I've heard certain things about him, I thought I'd mention it. > > Suffice it to say, I've read news accounts of police raids involving him, and other things that aren't fit to mention here. > > You're right- I don't know if they're true. On the other hand, we don't hear things like this about other Hindu gurus (like Vivekananda, Mataji Vanamali, or Yogananda). So why would stories on Osho suddenly pop up like this? I was a child when those incidents allegedly took place- so I have no idea of their truth. All I know is- rumors tend to have a seed somewhere. > > Again, it's gone to this point only because I mentioned what I'VE heard and how it related to this post. > > None of this has anything to do with kama in the Hindu scriptures, so if anyone has anything to add to that particular topic, please feel free. > > > , " Sunflower " <sunflowerzmagick@> wrote: > > > > I'ts too easy to stand up and cast a shadowy doubt on Osho making a vague reference to " all the horrifying things " you have heard about him and give no reference. Just leave the imagination and fears of people to do the rest of the work for you in discrediting a very intelligent and much beloved man. A comment like this one which discounts another person based on no sound reference is just as easy to ignore and discount. In other words, you haven't said anything meaningful as far as I'm concerned. If you're criticism of Osho is going to be meaningful it's going to have to have more substance, at least for me. > > > > , " sd " <salharmonica@> wrote: > > > > > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. > > > > > > , Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathbabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please read Bhagwan Osho's " From sex to superconciousness " . It is very beautiful. A must read. > > > > > > > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=EsZdbPuDVlEC & dq=from+sex+to+superconsciousness & p\ rintsec=frontcover & source=bl & ots=52TpxLqCAa & sig=AxwIJKEuOooywrcb7gvQgyRzI1U & hl=e\ n & ei=T2K6SpzPE4aUtgf84anuDg & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=3#v=onepage & q= & \ f=false > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Namaste, I am watching the conversation as an outsider, someone who does not know who Osho is (other than just hearing about him), and I have came to some thoughts on the matter. This probably sounds like common wisdom, but I think it needs to be said, if not at least to remind us of it... People, no matter who or what they are, are going to have their critics once their name is out there, no matter how benign they may be. It has happened to Gandhi. It has happened to the Dalai Lama. There were even one or two critics regarding Sri Ramakrishna's past life before he became a more fervent devotee to Kali (Maa bless him nonetheless). And at risk of throwing out a really controversial name out there, I am sure there are plenty of people who, with no doubt, find D.N. Jha a complete controversy for even making his comments about India's history (there was a rumor [i cannot confirm] that he had death threats over it, even). Recently, I ran into a discussion concerning Tibetan history and someone pointed out how how it may not have had the most 'humane' or 'peaceful' history even before the recent occupation. Being the way I am, I researched this theory, perhaps even to a fault. Regardless of this, though, you know what? I still support similar principles to what the Dalai Lama believes, even while giving unconditional love to Maa and the things surrounding her, and the things to better serve her. Personal anecdote aside, what I wish to convey is that we have all of this knowledge out there. Knowledge serves a purpose. It can educate and it is sometimes used to propagate (the price of it existing, I suppose). A lot of people love knowledge. People seek an education, a manifestation of knowledge, to deal with this world. I would wonder about someone who would not seek knowledge to one degree or another. I will always be in the trap of needing to research it to deal with some of this thing we call the Material World. However, there is one thing knowledge does not give, even in its abundance and beauty: faith, and inner peace. Sometimes it can help us make a decision on these things, but it can never provide it. Other things provide this. And I daresay, knowledge can never, ever take these two gifts away once people have it. Even if all of the western Victorian era orientalist-driven views of Hinduism had some grain of truth to it. Even if I woke up to one day find out that I was never in this moment. Even...even if I woke up one day and found all I tried to disprove turned out to be true...even if it made me feel a great sadness, true faith and inner peace cannot be taken away. Its wisdom, once obtained, remains. So, I think ultimately, if I want anything to be taken from these long, flowery words from this ignorant mouth, is this. If you believe in a set of principles; if you believe in something out there...Believe in it. Even if it means saying to yourself, " There is this controversy here and there " and admitted you could one day, be wrong about what you " know " ... Believe in it. So long as you seek the least harm as possible to another human being, what is it for some piece of tangible knowledge to tell you to do different? I always thought that one of the core, underlying beliefs in the Sanatana Dharma, and why it has remained a reality for many people in India, is that these controversies exist. There exists diversity and many walks of life. Some of these walks of life will not always be parallel. Many people of these walks of life will likely at some point have little to no common ground at all. I think a Westerner by the name of Voltaire once said, " I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the very death to support your right to say it. " I would change that to... " Regardless of what you say and believe, I will do what it takes to let you have the right to say and believe it. " I said it before, and I will likely say it many times again. I probably know nothing at all. I do not know everything nor know what walks of life everyone in this group has walked. However, faith, even when life seems hard, is perhaps the greatest gift anyone can have, no matter what religion, or school of thought, they support. Jai Maa! Sincerely, Christina/Arya On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:49 PM, sd <salharmonica wrote: > > > Priya- > > You do raise a good point- find out for myself. But how exactly would I do > that? All I have to go on are books and magazines- all of which contradict > each other. And Osho followers, some of whom love him, and some of whom hate > him. Since he's dead, I can't go meet him and find out for myself that way. > I hope I'm not coming across as sarcastic or rude- I do appreciate your > response to my post, but I'm not sure how to solve the Osho mystery since > there are hell-heaven accounts of people's experiences with him. > > <%40>, > Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathbabu wrote: > > > > Dear SD, > > > > Please do not always believe whatever you hear. Find out yourself. > Honestly speaking, I too had the idea that he was some kind of a sex guru. > But this book changed my view completely. Its the people who are making up > stuff ( people who don't like him or hinduism ). Ever since I became his fan > and have been collecting a lot of His books. His commentary on Bhagavad Gita > is superb . His way of saying things are different and very amusing. I am > not trying to force anything upon you, just expressing my views. > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > sd <salharmonica > > <%40> > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:20:01 PM > > Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama > > > > > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering > the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. > > > > - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 SD, I understand what you mean. <<<find out for myself. But how exactly would I do that? All I have to go on are books and magazines- all of which contradict each other. And Osho followers, some of whom love him, and some of whom hate him.>>> Since you have asked, my humble suggestion is instead of reading what people are talking about Osho (good or bad ) , why not read what Osho is talking about? If Osho's talks are agreeable to you, take it and enjoy, if not agreeable, just ignore. After completing a book, whatever end result opinion you may get is completely yours and you are free to have it, no pressure. I mentioned Osho's book because I think it was relevant to the topic and what Osho has said is purely Hindu. <<<Since he's dead, I can't go meet him and find out for myself that way. > Of course you can meet Him, in His words. <<<but I'm not sure how to solve the Osho mystery since there are hell-heaven accounts of people's experiences with him. >>> The mystery will be solved at the end of the book, with a smile Priya ________________________________ sd <salharmonica You do raise a good point- find out for myself. But how exactly would I do that? All I have to go on are books and magazines- all of which contradict each other. [....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Dear All, Why are we wasting time writing and discussing a person like Osho, whose so called teachings have no relevance. Specially on this forum dedicated to the Divine Mother. Regards Rohit ________________________________ sd <salharmonica None of this [about Osho] has anything to do with kama in the Hindu scriptures, so if anyone has anything to add to that particular topic, please feel free. [Moderator's note: I agree with sd; let's shift back to the original subject, or on to something more relevant.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Because it is through us, the manifested vessels of Mother, that She Manifests. And how we vibrate is how we manifest. Let Her children talk, discuss, grow, share. It will make us better human beings. All wars in the world could have been and can be prevented, if we could just talk, share and express our opinions so we can understand each other. But at the end, don't forget, this is all an Illusion. To know Mother is to realize that this body, and our whole being, is not reality. Sat Nam --- On Wed, 9/23/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha wrote: rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha Re: Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 11:30 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 jai gurudev, dear friend, to know mother,is to accept the truth,that she is real and we r part of her divinity. om shakti gopal On 9/24/09, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: > > > > Because it is through us, the manifested vessels of Mother, that She > Manifests. And how we vibrate is how we manifest. Let Her children talk, > discuss, grow, share. It will make us better human beings. All wars in the > world could have been and can be prevented, if we could just talk, share and > express our opinions so we can understand each other. > > But at the end, don't forget, this is all an Illusion. To know Mother is > to realize that this body, and our whole being, is not reality. > > Sat Nam > > --- On Wed, 9/23/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha<rohitkumtha%40>> > wrote: > > rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha <rohitkumtha%40>> > Re: Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama > <%40> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 11:30 PM > > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\ +++++++ TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL THAT EXISTS IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 <<<All wars in the world could have been and can be prevented, if we could just talk, share and express our opinions so we can understand each other.>>> On contrary, wars have become more catastrophic and wholly destructive when people without proper understanding human psyche and nature's working had tried to contain the wars by tolerance and dialog. From the destructions of a large clan of khastriyas in kurukshetra, to world war II, to the present war on terror - its all a story of trying to contain and pacify and appease, backfiring. And even on the much smaller and artificial scale of this e-group, when have you seen that dialog between waring factions have worked? People have invariably come down to verbal abuse, kicking, shouting, leaving or getting banned. It is better to observe the workings of the nature and the society around us, observe how various actions lead to various results and prevent ourselves from getting carried away by false dogma (however sweet it may sound, like love for enemies). Intellect is the sole Saviour of man, even God comes later, for without the former it is unlikely that we would even recognize the later even if she was standing in front of us now. --- On Thu, 24/9/09, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz Re: Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 5:38 PM Because it is through us, the manifested vessels of Mother, that She Manifests. And how we vibrate is how we manifest. Let Her children talk, discuss, grow, share. It will make us better human beings. All wars in the world could have been and can be prevented, if we could just talk, share and express our opinions so we can understand each other. But at the end, don't forget, this is all an Illusion. To know Mother is to realize that this body, and our whole being, is not reality. Sat Nam --- On Wed, 9/23/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha@ > wrote: rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha@ > Re: Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 11:30 PM Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Pranam, Christinaji. I totally agree with your stance. I enjoy reading OSHO as he always has an alternative view. I do not know if the controvesies surrounding him had any truth but the man has some good opinions by which we can learn more. With Love Shankaree Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee. " From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari ________________________________ Amaya Kalarathri <theilluminatedcelestial Thursday, 24 September, 2009 5:09:29 Re: Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama Namaste, I am watching the conversation as an outsider, someone who does not know who Osho is (other than just hearing about him), and I have came to some thoughts on the matter. This probably sounds like common wisdom, but I think it needs to be said, if not at least to remind us of it... People, no matter who or what they are, are going to have their critics once their name is out there, no matter how benign they may be. It has happened to Gandhi. It has happened to the Dalai Lama. There were even one or two critics regarding Sri Ramakrishna' s past life before he became a more fervent devotee to Kali (Maa bless him nonetheless) . And at risk of throwing out a really controversial name out there, I am sure there are plenty of people who, with no doubt, find D.N. Jha a complete controversy for even making his comments about India's history (there was a rumor [i cannot confirm] that he had death threats over it, even). Recently, I ran into a discussion concerning Tibetan history and someone pointed out how how it may not have had the most 'humane' or 'peaceful' history even before the recent occupation. Being the way I am, I researched this theory, perhaps even to a fault. Regardless of this, though, you know what? I still support similar principles to what the Dalai Lama believes, even while giving unconditional love to Maa and the things surrounding her, and the things to better serve her. Personal anecdote aside, what I wish to convey is that we have all of this knowledge out there. Knowledge serves a purpose. It can educate and it is sometimes used to propagate (the price of it existing, I suppose). A lot of people love knowledge. People seek an education, a manifestation of knowledge, to deal with this world. I would wonder about someone who would not seek knowledge to one degree or another. I will always be in the trap of needing to research it to deal with some of this thing we call the Material World. However, there is one thing knowledge does not give, even in its abundance and beauty: faith, and inner peace. Sometimes it can help us make a decision on these things, but it can never provide it. Other things provide this. And I daresay, knowledge can never, ever take these two gifts away once people have it. Even if all of the western Victorian era orientalist- driven views of Hinduism had some grain of truth to it. Even if I woke up to one day find out that I was never in this moment. Even...even if I woke up one day and found all I tried to disprove turned out to be true...even if it made me feel a great sadness, true faith and inner peace cannot be taken away. Its wisdom, once obtained, remains. So, I think ultimately, if I want anything to be taken from these long, flowery words from this ignorant mouth, is this. If you believe in a set of principles; if you believe in something out there...Believe in it. Even if it means saying to yourself, " There is this controversy here and there " and admitted you could one day, be wrong about what you " know " ... Believe in it. So long as you seek the least harm as possible to another human being, what is it for some piece of tangible knowledge to tell you to do different? I always thought that one of the core, underlying beliefs in the Sanatana Dharma, and why it has remained a reality for many people in India, is that these controversies exist. There exists diversity and many walks of life. Some of these walks of life will not always be parallel. Many people of these walks of life will likely at some point have little to no common ground at all. I think a Westerner by the name of Voltaire once said, " I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the very death to support your right to say it. " I would change that to... " Regardless of what you say and believe, I will do what it takes to let you have the right to say and believe it. " I said it before, and I will likely say it many times again. I probably know nothing at all. I do not know everything nor know what walks of life everyone in this group has walked. However, faith, even when life seems hard, is perhaps the greatest gift anyone can have, no matter what religion, or school of thought, they support. Jai Maa! Sincerely, Christina/Arya On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:49 PM, sd <salharmonica@ > wrote: > > > Priya- > > You do raise a good point- find out for myself. But how exactly would I do > that? All I have to go on are books and magazines- all of which contradict > each other. And Osho followers, some of whom love him, and some of whom hate > him. Since he's dead, I can't go meet him and find out for myself that way. > I hope I'm not coming across as sarcastic or rude- I do appreciate your > response to my post, but I'm not sure how to solve the Osho mystery since > there are hell-heaven accounts of people's experiences with him. > > <% 40. com>, > Priya Babu <sripriyasivanathba bu wrote: > > > > Dear SD, > > > > Please do not always believe whatever you hear. Find out yourself. > Honestly speaking, I too had the idea that he was some kind of a sex guru. > But this book changed my view completely. Its the people who are making up > stuff ( people who don't like him or hinduism ). Ever since I became his fan > and have been collecting a lot of His books. His commentary on Bhagavad Gita > is superb . His way of saying things are different and very amusing. I am > not trying to force anything upon you, just expressing my views. > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _ > > sd <salharmonica@ ...> > > <% 40. com> > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:20:01 PM > > Re: Osho - Hinduism and Kama > > > > > > I've always loved Osho's work, but I've forced to reconsider considering > the horrifying things I've heard about him. Thanks for the link though. > > > > - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 As said in the Gita, Chapter 3. --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Saikat Maitra <singhi_kaya wrote: Saikat Maitra <singhi_kaya <<<All wars in the world could have been and can be prevented, if we could just talk, share and express our opinions so we can understand each other.>>> On contrary, wars have become more catastrophic and wholly destructive when people without proper understanding human psyche and nature's working had tried to contain the wars by tolerance and dialog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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