Of the Contaminated and the Corrupt..........[Finding other Devi worshippers

[Guest guest]

In , Amaya Kalarathri

<theilluminatedcelestial wrote: I do agree with this point even if I bring

my own limited (and probably contaminated) knowledge to the debate.>

 

I often wondered what do one mean when they say their knowledge is contaminated

or other accuse of the another of polluted, contaminated or corrupt the other

people's mind. What do they mean? Can anyone try to explain it to me? You know

over the years, I've read the same issues brought up in this group over and over

again... " Recite this mantra... it will give you what? Siddhi... Recite this...

do this... you will get this siddhi " When ever I hear those, I makes me angry.

Just angry.... is this what we all have come to become... our sadhana is all

about getting siddhi? Have we not become so corrupt? Spiritually corrupt!

 

I have the same argument with the Islamist and the Christian groups several

times in the other forum... " Become one of us... and you are guaranteed a place

in heaven " ... " We have the key to heaven " etc... And so I ask both of them the

same [the Islamist and the Christians] " You need to bribe your people to worship

your LORD to secure a place in heaven? And you thereafter frighten them with

Hell to make sure they to your set code of conduct. You use the

whip/cane and stone to threaten them that if they do not behave accordingly?

Why? Have we become so corrupt? "

 

One of the Islamist got angry and told me " we have this needs, desires… the

ego… "

 

" Ah! And so the only way to tame this need, this desire and this ego is when you

feed them with " food " of illusion. Stories about heaven and hell? The same type

of story that your people have been feeding those suicide bombers… virgins in

heaven? " I asked them. I'm still waiting for them to give me the answer till

today… none have come back. One Muslim argued " We must try to make our religion

attractive…. " Why this need to make it attractive? And How? By promising them

what! 20% discount in hell if you believe that Islam is the true path, and 101%

if you convert?

 

No I'm not here to bash the Muslim or the Christians or any group. I am here to

just want us to reflect back at our actions. What are we doing to our

spiritualism? We have become so materialistic that we corrupt our own

spiritualism.

 

I love to go to the Zoo, but I always leave with this feeling: Sadness. I often

wondered by. Couple of months ago I went to the zoo with a group students. As

usual the attraction of the day in the zoo was the animal show. So we all join

is, sat together and watch as this sea lion doing all the stunts and after each

stunt, they are rewarded with what? Fishes by the trainers. Then all the

audience clap " wah! The sealion is so smart… so good "

 

Now I understand this feeling of sadness: Have we all become like the Sealion

too?

[Guest guest]

NMadasamy wrote:

 

> What are we doing to our spiritualism? We have become so materialistic

> that we corrupt our own spiritualism.

>

> I love to go to the Zoo, but I always leave with this feeling:

> Sadness. I often wondered by. Couple of months ago I went to the zoo

> with a group students. As usual the attraction of the day in the zoo

> was the animal show. So we all join is, sat together and watch as this

> sea lion doing all the stunts and after each stunt, they are rewarded

> with what? Fishes by the trainers. Then all the audience clap " wah!

> The sealion is so smart… so good "

>

> Now I understand this feeling of sadness: Have we all become like the

> Sealion too?

 

Thank you for this! There's a great book by Chogyam Trungpa (Yes, I know

about his behavioral faults, but he wrote so well and so truthfully!)

called " Cutting through spiritual materialism " . It's something we all

need to watch out for in ourselves....

 

Michael Steinberg

[Guest guest]

That is an interesting topic to bring up, and I think the whole topic of

siddhi or even any reward all together seems to, at some point, become a

goal for various people. This goes for all groups, no matter their religion

or spiritual path of choosing. To an extent, it probably even becomes a

goal for us unintentionally (or intentionally; I should not judge) and we

have to always watch out for that concern.

 

My knowledge is contaminated in the sense that it might not always be

correct and I am willing to admit there might be biases and limitations to

what I know. Even with realizing my own limitations (and realizing I have

yet to realize more), though, I have very recently (as in a few days ago)

made a resolution to start counting my blessings this upcoming year.

Because I focused on the negative in the past, I realized that negativity

could harm my own spirituality. Strife can sometimes strengthen faith, but

looking at things negatively makes us lose sight of things that we would not

lose sight of in other situations. Hopefully, I will continue to learn more

and more...and hopefully I can remove some of these biases of mine or at

least master them.

 

The sea lion is an interesting analogy to use to our spiritualism. After

some thought on the matter, though, I think I have an idea as to how we are

like the sea lion. Sea lions are rewarded with the very essence of what

they need to survive. If they do not do the tricks, as it were, they

sometimes do not get as much nourishment as they should...BUT...not all of

us are in need of getting food put on the table for our selves and our

family. For some of us, these needs are taken care of. Sometimes we

probably do more than necessary in the physical world when our physical

needs are already taken care of.

 

Though... with all things said, perhaps there is a purpose to the existence

of this materialism, if not for us to at least realize where we must improve

on our spiritual attainment? I recently watched a Hindi film...the dialogue

roughly went on these lines...

 

Man I: I believe in God. In fact, he is standing in between us!

 

Man II: God is within us as well as outside of us.

 

Man I: If God is within us, then why do we suffer?

 

Man II: God lets us suffer because then we know how it is to be happy. We

think about God in our suffering, but almost never in our happiness.

 

This has to be one of the few cases where I found wisdom in a fiction.

Sometimes, our suffering is created from materialism. A long time ago,

there were times when I would blame God for all the wrongs done to me and

question why nothing was done. My belief in individual justice became desire

for individual retribution. This desire for individual retribution is quite

a materialistic desire. This was unhealthy, and there will likely be days

when the same thoughts will tempt me and I will have to overcome the

" temptations " for lack of a better word.

 

A friend of mine talked about how in the past, she used to be one of those

people who believed all the negative things in her life was completely

related to God. She dwelled on the idea that people were inherently born

with sin and feared going to <insert bad place here> if she did not follow

someone's monopolization of truth. It took her years to finally not fear

what would come in the afterlife. Now she seeks to try to increase her

spiritual growth while attempting to practice tolerance toward other faiths,

cultures, etc so long as no harm is done. I am still trying to gradually

shed myself of feeling a similar guilt...even while realizing I still need

to correct how I look at, and do certain things in my life. This is my

struggle, my strive.

 

But it does not have to be an impossible struggle. Reflecting on the Devi

Mahatmya/Chandi, Durga only strengthened Raktabija when she constantly cut

him (he multiplied, after all). She constantly used direct confrontation,

direct, powerful force. This only strengthened Raktabija, who resembled

greed/desire/etc. However, relying on another aspect of Devi (e.g., Kali)

to help her, aided her in defeating Raktabija. So, regardless of what I

pray for, I constantly ask to be taught, to be guided to be a better sadhak,

to better serve Devi.

 

Jai Maa.

 

Sincerely,

Arya/Christina

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM, NMadasamy <nora wrote:

 

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> In <%40>,

> Amaya Kalarathri <theilluminatedcelestial wrote: I do agree with this

> point even if I bring my own limited (and probably contaminated) knowledge

> to the debate.>

>

> I often wondered what do one mean when they say their knowledge is

> contaminated or other accuse of the another of polluted, contaminated or

> corrupt the other people's mind. What do they mean? Can anyone try to

> explain it to me? You know over the years, I've read the same issues brought

> up in this group over and over again... " Recite this mantra... it will give

> you what? Siddhi... Recite this... do this... you will get this siddhi " When

> ever I hear those, I makes me angry. Just angry.... is this what we all have

> come to become... our sadhana is all about getting siddhi? Have we not

> become so corrupt? Spiritually corrupt!

>

> I have the same argument with the Islamist and the Christian groups several

> times in the other forum... " Become one of us... and you are guaranteed a

> place in heaven " ... " We have the key to heaven " etc... And so I ask both of

> them the same [the Islamist and the Christians] " You need to bribe your

> people to worship your LORD to secure a place in heaven? And you thereafter

> frighten them with Hell to make sure they to your set code of

> conduct. You use the whip/cane and stone to threaten them that if they do

> not behave accordingly? Why? Have we become so corrupt? "

>

> One of the Islamist got angry and told me " we have this needs, desires… the

> ego… "

>

> " Ah! And so the only way to tame this need, this desire and this ego is

> when you feed them with " food " of illusion. Stories about heaven and hell?

> The same type of story that your people have been feeding those suicide

> bombers… virgins in heaven? " I asked them. I'm still waiting for them to

> give me the answer till today… none have come back. One Muslim argued " We

> must try to make our religion attractive…. " Why this need to make it

> attractive? And How? By promising them what! 20% discount in hell if you

> believe that Islam is the true path, and 101% if you convert?

>

> No I'm not here to bash the Muslim or the Christians or any group. I am

> here to just want us to reflect back at our actions. What are we doing to

> our spiritualism? We have become so materialistic that we corrupt our own

> spiritualism.

>

> I love to go to the Zoo, but I always leave with this feeling: Sadness. I

> often wondered by. Couple of months ago I went to the zoo with a group

> students. As usual the attraction of the day in the zoo was the animal show.

> So we all join is, sat together and watch as this sea lion doing all the

> stunts and after each stunt, they are rewarded with what? Fishes by the

> trainers. Then all the audience clap " wah! The sealion is so smart… so good "

>

> Now I understand this feeling of sadness: Have we all become like the

> Sealion too?

>

>

>

 

 

 

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