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My dear learned friends,

 

 

 

There are some confusion arises on these above three issues.

 

 

 

Before clarification , i like to plead to my dear friends that my

observations  are based on opinions of various historians/researchers.

 

 

 

I have nothing  to do  with against nor for  any religion/Faith.

 

 

 

Regarding Kaula:

 

 

 

Lord Matsendra Nath is the historical founder, Yes  kaula is not

restricted only to Bengalis, but all over India.

 

There is a vast literature on Naths , any interested person can contact Gorokh

Nath mandir , at Gorokhpur to get the literature.

 

At South also Naths were highly popular. At Karnataka, Adi ChunChun Giri was

their Matha,to day it is with Gowdas.

 

 

 

The City of Mangalore

got its name from a malayali princes by name " Mangala Devi " , a yogini

of Matsendra Nath.

 

 

 

On Women:

 

 

 

I always says women are highly regarded at eastern India

and South India, even today.

 

Whereas in the Vedic places(Punjab and Haryana and north western part of

undivided India)

the birth of girls are looked down.

 

 

 

Vedic literature s under continuous change. It is one of the reason Vedas,

Upanishads are found to be in contradiction.

 

 

 

At certain time, Women were not allowed to Chant Gayatri, at certain time again

the same was criticized and women were allowed .

 

 

 

This changes  in Vedic rules  were carried out ,to fulfill  the

social requirement of the period without deleting the previous one from the

literature.

 

 

 

On Mistry:

 

 

 

The self realization is a perception of an individual and his capacity to

convince others.

 

 

 

However, it is possible to divide one in to many and ultimately to infinite.

Hence one can visualize 1 in infinity and vice verse.

 

 

 

Let me not go for any contradiction on Vedic and Non Vedic.

 

 

 

Interested person can go through the followings:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) History of Ancient India                                   by Prof. RS

Tripathy

 

2) History of Ancient India Vol I and II                by Prof. Sunil

Chatterjee

 

3) History of Kerala                                              

by Prof. EK Pillai

 

4) Banglar Itihas                                                    by Dr.

Nihar

Ranjan Roy

 

5) Banglar Itihas                                                   

by Dr. Rakhal Das Banerjee

 

6) Banga Bhasha O Sahitya                                   by

Sahityacharya Dinesh Ch. Sen

 

7) Bangla Sahityer

Kahini                                    

by S/Sree Haren Ghose,

Shudhamsu                                                                    

 

 

                                                                                \

   

Vikash Dev Sarma and Prof. 

Bandopadhdhya

 

 

 

8) Cooch biharer Itihas                                          by

Mr. Hemanta Kumar Roy Barman

 

9) Charyagiti Parichaya                                         by Dr.

Satyabrata De

 

10) Are the Bengalis a Non-Marshal Race            by Mr. SP Roy Choudhury

 

11) Tribes and Castes of Bengal                            by Mr.HH Risley

 

12) Indus civilization                                             by

Dr. Atul Sur

 

13) Discovery of India                                           by

Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru

 

14) The Indian

Temple Art

and Architecture        by Mr. PR

Srinivasan

 

15) Sanatana Samaskriti                                         by Mr.

S Subramanya Ayer

 

16) World famous Civilizations                             by Mrs. Geeta lal

Sahai

 

 

 

!7) Saiva

Mata                                                       

by Dr. Yadu Vamsi

 

18) Dancing with Siva                                            by

Satguru Sivaya Subramaniaswami

 

19) Jaina Dharmaka Itihas evam                       

 

uski Prachinata                                                

by Acharya Sree Muni Vidyananda ji 

 

 

                                                                                \

    

Maharaj and Pandit Balabhadra Ji Jain

 

20) Choubish Teerthamkar                                    by Pandit Balabhadra

Ji

Jain

 

 

 

 

 

21) Rig-Veda Samhita                                           by

Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya

 

                                                                                \

   

and Bhagavati Devi Sarma

 

22) Sama-Veda Samhita                                       by  Vedamurthy

Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya

 

                                                                                \

   

and Bhagavati Devi Sarma

 

23) Yajur-Veda Samhita                                       by Vedamurthy

Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya

 

                                                                                \

   

and Bhagavati Devi Sarma

 

24) Atharva-Veda

Samhita                                  

by  Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama

Sarm

 

 

 

 

 

25) Eight Upanisads (VOL- I &

II) with

 

      commentary of Sankaracharya                      by Swami Gambhirananda

 

 

 

26)  108

Upanisads (Gnyan Khanda, Sadhana

 

     Khanda and Bhramha Vidya Khanda)            by Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama

Sarma acharya  

 

                                                                                \

  

and Bhagavati Devi Sarma

 

27) 20 Smrities (Vol- I &

II)                                 by

Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya 

 

 

           

                                                                         and

Bhagavati Devi Sarma

 

28) 

Sreemad Bhagvata Geeta by Bhagawan

 

       Sankaracharya                                               

by Swami Gambhirananda

 

 

 

29) The Light at the Center                                   by Swami

Agehananda Bharati

 

30) Tantra aur Sant                                               

by Dr. Ramamurthy Tripathy

 

31) Nath Sampradaya Aur

Sahitya                        by Dr. Ved

Prakash Juneja

 

32) Gorokhnath Aur Unki Paramparaka

Sahitya  by Dr. Divakar Pandey

 

33) Nath Sampradaya                                            by

Prof. Hazari Prasad Dwivedi

 

34) Gorokhnath and Kanphata

Yogis                    by Mr. GW Briggs

 

35) Rajguru Yogivamsha                                       by Mr. SC

Mazumdar

 

36) Hindu Gods and Goddesses                             by Swami

Harshananda

 

37) Philosophy of Gorok Nath                      by Prof. Banerjee            

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks to all readers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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jai gurudev

 

om shivgoraksha

 

 

dear sir,

 

i am sorry to trouble u and the moderators and all friends in ss group.

 

u earlier claim that buddhism is related to shakti sadhana or it is

when shakti sadhana started of something.

 

now u quote some books.

 

i have a humble request :

 

i am really confused by what u r trying to talk or argue.

 

what u said earlier and what u say now to me seems very

different.

 

i again repeat that shakti sadhana or worship of maa adi shakti

param prakruti mother nature,is not restricted to only india,

and even if it was,the various gods like indra,agni,vayu,

varun etc r part of the same divinity.

 

is rain,fire,water,air,earth,space etc not part of nature ???

 

i hope u will not deny this truth.

 

how can u start something that has always preexisted ??

 

maybe u can differenciate it,but then shakti sadhana has been

in existance in india even before lord matsyendranathji.

 

1 example : pls read srimad devi bhagwat puran.in it the story of lord

gautam maharishi,and the story of dosha nivaran of gouhatya is very

well known.pls read it again,in this,he is worshipping mother

shakti and she is providing food to the ashram,and some people

become jealous and created a cow of dharbha etc....

 

he got the doshanivaran by lord brahma-vishnu-rudra blessing

him and absolving him of gouhatya dosha as he was not responsible

in the first place.

 

this place known as trambakeshwar,is located near nashik,in maharashtra

is one of the jyotirlingams,and gautam maharishi ashram is still

there.

 

now i hope u will not say that lord gautam maharishi is younger than

lord matsyendranathji,bcoz lord gautam maharashi is one of the sapta

rishis who predate the nath sampradya.THIS IS ONLY 1 OF MANY

EXAMPLES.if you are talking abt kaula sampradaya,then

so many sampradaya have been formed by different divine souls

that u cant say kaula sampradaya is the only shakti sadhana

samprdaya.

 

when man evoled from africa he has been worshipping nature only

this predates all indian history.

 

so shakti sadhana in unstructured form or structured form

is going on before lord matsyendranathji or bautam buddha.

 

we as humans r also made of of the elements the tatvas etc,

so we are also part of nature.

 

so this fact is established that we r part of nature,and worship

to any god will be worship to same divinity.

 

i know i am repeating the same old stuff again and again,

but since the situation araises i just inform u.

 

the simple but scientific principal of adwaith is so

very easy to understand.

 

i am sorry to trouble all people with my humble words,and i hope

no one feels offended by same.

 

 

 

 

om shakti

 

gopal

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/8/09, Abhijit Dasgupta <abhijitdasgupta92 wrote:

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> My dear learned friends,

>

> There are some confusion arises on these above three issues.

>

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My dear Sir,

 

I have expressed my opinion, I am not imposing my information to my other

members.

 

I have also given various references towards this. These are the opinions of

Historians, researchers.

 

I have projected their views.

 

Kind regards.

 

--- On Mon, 9/11/09, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote:

 

gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123

Re: Kaula, Mistry and women.

 

Monday, 9 November, 2009, 7:05 AM

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jai gurudev

 

 

om shivgoraksha

 

dear sir,

 

i humbly request u to actually read the originals or atleast the

hindi translations,so u will know the contents directly rather

than relying on 3rd and 4th person accounts.

 

pls do not feel offended by my request,bcoz only when u will

actually read the original texts or atleast the hindi translation

u will be closer to real understanding.

 

what the so called authours did,or how they got info,

we dont know,so first hand knowledge is more imp.

 

i had given u some links,u can try these and u can also

get good ones from geetapress gorakhpur etc....

 

maa adi shakti is satya-chit-anand vigraha,all that exists

is her divnity,bcoz all that exists is nature.the void,and the

matter,the shunya and the shrushti is all her.

 

reading the original texts and knowing our mother as us

and ourself as part of her,is a most divine and blissful experience.

 

one does not have to die to get salvation,one can be a jeevanmukta also,ie

got salvation when still alive like king janak or videha.all so called

concepts present in non-hindu ideology etc r already espoused in hindu texts

beforehand.

 

pls buy srimad devi bhagwat puran from geeta press gorakhpur.

 

www.geetapress.org

 

this can be a good start for u.again sorry for being repetative and

focussing on same point but pls try what i request u will never

regret yr decision,to be one with maa narayani.

 

 

om shakti

 

gopal

 

 

On 11/9/09, Abhijit Dasgupta <abhijitdasgupta92 wrote:

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>

>

> My dear Sir,

>

> I have expressed my opinion, I am not imposing my information to my other

> members.

>

> I have also given various references towards this. These are the opinions

> of Historians, researchers.

>

> I have projected their views.

>

> Kind regards.

>

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Dear Mr. Gopal Narayan,

 

 I may not be fully knowledgeble, but am aware.

 

Since you started with " Om Siva Gorokhsha " , i suggest you to go throgh the Nath

Literature.

However, Vedic literature is literatures of Brahmins as it is known as Brahminic

literature, but Nath literature were almost unknown to educated people.

Incidentally various scholars started taking into interest in Nathism and found

a vast activities of this religion.

For your kind information, Nath religion never recognized Vedic religion as the

supreme or as  authority of Nath religion.

 

This Nath religion  clearly talks on all the above issue. and there isa book by

name " Kaula Gnan Nirnaya " also found , to be written by Lord Matsendra Nath.

 

Besides this , there are scholerly books available wriiten by various people and

these Books are available at the Library of Goroknath temple .

 

For your kind information Sir.

 

With regards.

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 10/11/09, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote:

 

gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123

Re: Kaula, Mistry and women.

 

Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 11:09 AM

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