Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 My dear learned friends, There are some confusion arises on these above three issues. Before clarification , i like to plead to my dear friends that my observations are based on opinions of various historians/researchers. I have nothing to do with against nor for any religion/Faith. Regarding Kaula: Lord Matsendra Nath is the historical founder, Yes kaula is not restricted only to Bengalis, but all over India. There is a vast literature on Naths , any interested person can contact Gorokh Nath mandir , at Gorokhpur to get the literature. At South also Naths were highly popular. At Karnataka, Adi ChunChun Giri was their Matha,to day it is with Gowdas. The City of Mangalore got its name from a malayali princes by name " Mangala Devi " , a yogini of Matsendra Nath. On Women: I always says women are highly regarded at eastern India and South India, even today. Whereas in the Vedic places(Punjab and Haryana and north western part of undivided India) the birth of girls are looked down. Vedic literature s under continuous change. It is one of the reason Vedas, Upanishads are found to be in contradiction. At certain time, Women were not allowed to Chant Gayatri, at certain time again the same was criticized and women were allowed . This changes in Vedic rules were carried out ,to fulfill the social requirement of the period without deleting the previous one from the literature. On Mistry: The self realization is a perception of an individual and his capacity to convince others. However, it is possible to divide one in to many and ultimately to infinite. Hence one can visualize 1 in infinity and vice verse. Let me not go for any contradiction on Vedic and Non Vedic. Interested person can go through the followings: 1) History of Ancient India by Prof. RS Tripathy 2) History of Ancient India Vol I and II by Prof. Sunil Chatterjee 3) History of Kerala by Prof. EK Pillai 4) Banglar Itihas by Dr. Nihar Ranjan Roy 5) Banglar Itihas by Dr. Rakhal Das Banerjee 6) Banga Bhasha O Sahitya by Sahityacharya Dinesh Ch. Sen 7) Bangla Sahityer Kahini by S/Sree Haren Ghose, Shudhamsu \ Vikash Dev Sarma and Prof. Bandopadhdhya 8) Cooch biharer Itihas by Mr. Hemanta Kumar Roy Barman 9) Charyagiti Parichaya by Dr. Satyabrata De 10) Are the Bengalis a Non-Marshal Race by Mr. SP Roy Choudhury 11) Tribes and Castes of Bengal by Mr.HH Risley 12) Indus civilization by Dr. Atul Sur 13) Discovery of India by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru 14) The Indian Temple Art and Architecture by Mr. PR Srinivasan 15) Sanatana Samaskriti by Mr. S Subramanya Ayer 16) World famous Civilizations by Mrs. Geeta lal Sahai !7) Saiva Mata by Dr. Yadu Vamsi 18) Dancing with Siva by Satguru Sivaya Subramaniaswami 19) Jaina Dharmaka Itihas evam uski Prachinata by Acharya Sree Muni Vidyananda ji \ Maharaj and Pandit Balabhadra Ji Jain 20) Choubish Teerthamkar by Pandit Balabhadra Ji Jain 21) Rig-Veda Samhita by Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya \ and Bhagavati Devi Sarma 22) Sama-Veda Samhita by Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya \ and Bhagavati Devi Sarma 23) Yajur-Veda Samhita by Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya \ and Bhagavati Devi Sarma 24) Atharva-Veda Samhita by Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarm 25) Eight Upanisads (VOL- I & II) with commentary of Sankaracharya by Swami Gambhirananda 26) 108 Upanisads (Gnyan Khanda, Sadhana Khanda and Bhramha Vidya Khanda) by Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya \ and Bhagavati Devi Sarma 27) 20 Smrities (Vol- I & II) by Vedamurthy Pandit Sree Rama Sarma acharya and Bhagavati Devi Sarma 28) Sreemad Bhagvata Geeta by Bhagawan Sankaracharya by Swami Gambhirananda 29) The Light at the Center by Swami Agehananda Bharati 30) Tantra aur Sant by Dr. Ramamurthy Tripathy 31) Nath Sampradaya Aur Sahitya by Dr. Ved Prakash Juneja 32) Gorokhnath Aur Unki Paramparaka Sahitya by Dr. Divakar Pandey 33) Nath Sampradaya by Prof. Hazari Prasad Dwivedi 34) Gorokhnath and Kanphata Yogis by Mr. GW Briggs 35) Rajguru Yogivamsha by Mr. SC Mazumdar 36) Hindu Gods and Goddesses by Swami Harshananda 37) Philosophy of Gorok Nath by Prof. Banerjee Thanks to all readers Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail./photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 jai gurudev om shivgoraksha dear sir, i am sorry to trouble u and the moderators and all friends in ss group. u earlier claim that buddhism is related to shakti sadhana or it is when shakti sadhana started of something. now u quote some books. i have a humble request : i am really confused by what u r trying to talk or argue. what u said earlier and what u say now to me seems very different. i again repeat that shakti sadhana or worship of maa adi shakti param prakruti mother nature,is not restricted to only india, and even if it was,the various gods like indra,agni,vayu, varun etc r part of the same divinity. is rain,fire,water,air,earth,space etc not part of nature ??? i hope u will not deny this truth. how can u start something that has always preexisted ?? maybe u can differenciate it,but then shakti sadhana has been in existance in india even before lord matsyendranathji. 1 example : pls read srimad devi bhagwat puran.in it the story of lord gautam maharishi,and the story of dosha nivaran of gouhatya is very well known.pls read it again,in this,he is worshipping mother shakti and she is providing food to the ashram,and some people become jealous and created a cow of dharbha etc.... he got the doshanivaran by lord brahma-vishnu-rudra blessing him and absolving him of gouhatya dosha as he was not responsible in the first place. this place known as trambakeshwar,is located near nashik,in maharashtra is one of the jyotirlingams,and gautam maharishi ashram is still there. now i hope u will not say that lord gautam maharishi is younger than lord matsyendranathji,bcoz lord gautam maharashi is one of the sapta rishis who predate the nath sampradya.THIS IS ONLY 1 OF MANY EXAMPLES.if you are talking abt kaula sampradaya,then so many sampradaya have been formed by different divine souls that u cant say kaula sampradaya is the only shakti sadhana samprdaya. when man evoled from africa he has been worshipping nature only this predates all indian history. so shakti sadhana in unstructured form or structured form is going on before lord matsyendranathji or bautam buddha. we as humans r also made of of the elements the tatvas etc, so we are also part of nature. so this fact is established that we r part of nature,and worship to any god will be worship to same divinity. i know i am repeating the same old stuff again and again, but since the situation araises i just inform u. the simple but scientific principal of adwaith is so very easy to understand. i am sorry to trouble all people with my humble words,and i hope no one feels offended by same. om shakti gopal On 11/8/09, Abhijit Dasgupta <abhijitdasgupta92 wrote: > > My dear learned friends, > > There are some confusion arises on these above three issues. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 My dear Sir, I have expressed my opinion, I am not imposing my information to my other members. I have also given various references towards this. These are the opinions of Historians, researchers. I have projected their views. Kind regards. --- On Mon, 9/11/09, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 Re: Kaula, Mistry and women. Monday, 9 November, 2009, 7:05 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 jai gurudev om shivgoraksha dear sir, i humbly request u to actually read the originals or atleast the hindi translations,so u will know the contents directly rather than relying on 3rd and 4th person accounts. pls do not feel offended by my request,bcoz only when u will actually read the original texts or atleast the hindi translation u will be closer to real understanding. what the so called authours did,or how they got info, we dont know,so first hand knowledge is more imp. i had given u some links,u can try these and u can also get good ones from geetapress gorakhpur etc.... maa adi shakti is satya-chit-anand vigraha,all that exists is her divnity,bcoz all that exists is nature.the void,and the matter,the shunya and the shrushti is all her. reading the original texts and knowing our mother as us and ourself as part of her,is a most divine and blissful experience. one does not have to die to get salvation,one can be a jeevanmukta also,ie got salvation when still alive like king janak or videha.all so called concepts present in non-hindu ideology etc r already espoused in hindu texts beforehand. pls buy srimad devi bhagwat puran from geeta press gorakhpur. www.geetapress.org this can be a good start for u.again sorry for being repetative and focussing on same point but pls try what i request u will never regret yr decision,to be one with maa narayani. om shakti gopal On 11/9/09, Abhijit Dasgupta <abhijitdasgupta92 wrote: > > > > My dear Sir, > > I have expressed my opinion, I am not imposing my information to my other > members. > > I have also given various references towards this. These are the opinions > of Historians, researchers. > > I have projected their views. > > Kind regards. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear Mr. Gopal Narayan,  I may not be fully knowledgeble, but am aware. Since you started with " Om Siva Gorokhsha " , i suggest you to go throgh the Nath Literature. However, Vedic literature is literatures of Brahmins as it is known as Brahminic literature, but Nath literature were almost unknown to educated people. Incidentally various scholars started taking into interest in Nathism and found a vast activities of this religion. For your kind information, Nath religion never recognized Vedic religion as the supreme or as authority of Nath religion. This Nath religion clearly talks on all the above issue. and there isa book by name " Kaula Gnan Nirnaya " also found , to be written by Lord Matsendra Nath. Besides this , there are scholerly books available wriiten by various people and these Books are available at the Library of Goroknath temple . For your kind information Sir. With regards. --- On Tue, 10/11/09, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 Re: Kaula, Mistry and women. Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 11:09 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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