Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 jai gurudev om shivgoraksha dear friends, i wud like to add some thoughts. the most important thing that happens is not in our hand. ---conception of ourself ---sunrise and sunset [ without sunrise world wud freeze over ] ---our breathing [ we cant control fully it trully speaking ] ---our thoughts we may be able to calm or alter,but these r electrical impluses in brain.ie they r just an energy form. ---rotation of earth ---various seasons so majority of the really important things we req for survival r really not in our hands. what we think is in our hand maybe also not so,as we r a product of nature and nuture. so basically we can think we have freewill. but real truth only maa adi shakti narayani knows. om shakti gopal On 11/17/09, rohri mani <rohri_mani wrote: > > > > Thank you Sreekumarji and others for the feed back on free will. > However, i would like to know more on hindu view on this subject. > With regards > Sanjeev > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\ +++++++ TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL THAT EXISTS IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 They say  " Free will is like a callte tied to a pole with a rope. It can eat grass anywhere (only) within  the radius of the rope "  Do you really have a free will ? Are there rope(s) of desire, fear, past impressions, attitude, beliefs, ................  --- On Tue, 11/17/09, rohri mani <rohri_mani wrote: rohri mani <rohri_mani Re: Free Will Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:19 PM  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 gopal narayan wrote: > > > jai gurudev > > om shivgoraksha > > dear friends, > > i wud like to add some thoughts. > > the most important thing that happens is not in our hand. > ------ The most important? Even the least significant...(the defining as important or insignificant.......bing accompanying thoughts)....... ...is an non-volitional acasual event in a seamless continuum which is neither linear, nor non-linear. The term " event " without the connotation of a durational occurrence in time. --------- > > ---conception of ourself > > ---sunrise and sunset [ without sunrise world wud freeze over ] > > ---our breathing [ we cant control fully it trully speaking ] > > ---our thoughts we may be able to calm or alter,but these > r electrical impluses in brain.ie they r just an energy form. > > ---rotation of earth > > ---various seasons > > so majority of the really important things we req for survival r really > not in our hands. > > what we think is in our hand maybe also not so,as we r a product > of nature and nuture. > > so basically we can think we have freewill. > ------ Even this very thought that one exists and ergo one has free will to think, decide among options, act on the decision taken...... ........was there any volitional, individuated separative " thinker " who constructed that very thought? The sense of the presence of thought, whether profound or profane..............whether about a circus or about Adi Shakti......... .....infers the sense of a thinker. A sense of a thinker for whom either the circus is enticing or Adi Shakti. ----- > > but real truth only maa adi shakti narayani knows. > > om shakti > > gopal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 .... .... Maybe we could just realize the rope is also made of grass and eat it too! ; )...lol hugs everybody -- Rafael Espadine On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Sriram Dongre <sriramadongrewrote: > > They say > > " Free will is like a callte tied to a pole with a rope. > It can eat grass anywhere (only) within the radius of the rope " > > Do you really have a free will ? > Are there rope(s) of desire, fear, past impressions, attitude, beliefs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 jai gurudev om shivgoraksha i agree even the thought that i have free will,is nothing but a leela of mother adi shakti lalita tripurasundari param prakruti. so basically we r just play things !!! om shakti gopal On 11/18/09, Gurubuster <fanatofida wrote: > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\ +++++++ TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL THAT EXISTS IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 *Om Sahana Vavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu Sahaveeryam Karavavahai Tejas Vinavati Tamastuma vidhwishavahai Om Shanti Shanti Shantihi* On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 gopal narayan wrote: > > > jai gurudev > > om shivgoraksha > > i agree even the thought that i have free will,is nothing but a leela of > mother adi shakti lalita tripurasundari param prakruti. > > so basically we r just play things !!! > Not even that. Both the appearance of the particular and the simultaneous transcendence of the particular............ is just..............(give it whatever name) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 rohri mani wrote: > > > > A quotation from Swami Vivekananda on " free will " in the Hindu tradition. > > " Therefore we see at once that there cannot be any such thing as > free-will; the very words are a contradiction, because will is what we > know, and everything that we know is within our universe, and > everything within our universe is moulded by conditions of time, space > and causality. ... To acquire freedom we have to get beyond the > limitations of this universe; it cannot be found here. " > And for real freedom (so to say) to become self evident as always-has-been-the-case..... .....there has to be the freedom from the very thought which constructs a need to go beyond what thought has itself constructed i.e a universe of limitations. The need to go beyond limitations is itself within the field of limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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