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jai gurudev

 

 

om shivgoraksha

 

 

dear friends,

 

 

i wud like to add some thoughts.

 

the most important thing that happens is not in our hand.

 

---conception of ourself

 

---sunrise and sunset [ without sunrise world wud freeze over ]

 

---our breathing [ we cant control fully it trully speaking ]

 

---our thoughts we may be able to calm or alter,but these

r electrical impluses in brain.ie they r just an energy form.

 

---rotation of earth

 

---various seasons

 

so majority of the really important things we req for survival r really

not in our hands.

 

what we think is in our hand maybe also not so,as we r a product

of nature and nuture.

 

so basically we can think we have freewill.

 

but real truth only maa adi shakti narayani knows.

 

 

 

 

om shakti

 

gopal

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/17/09, rohri mani <rohri_mani wrote:

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> Thank you Sreekumarji and others for the feed back on free will.

> However, i would like to know more on hindu view on this subject.

> With regards

> Sanjeev

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IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI

MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI

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They say

 

" Free will is like a callte tied to a pole with a rope.

It can eat grass anywhere (only) within  the radius of the rope "

 

Do you really have a free will ?

Are there rope(s) of desire, fear, past impressions, attitude, beliefs,

................

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, rohri mani <rohri_mani wrote:

 

 

rohri mani <rohri_mani

Re: Free Will

 

Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:19 PM

 

 

 

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gopal narayan wrote:

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> jai gurudev

>

> om shivgoraksha

>

> dear friends,

>

> i wud like to add some thoughts.

>

> the most important thing that happens is not in our hand.

>

 

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The most important?

 

Even the least significant...(the defining as important or

insignificant.......bing accompanying thoughts).......

 

...is an non-volitional acasual event in a seamless continuum which is

neither linear, nor non-linear.

 

The term " event " without the connotation of a durational occurrence in time.

 

 

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>

> ---conception of ourself

>

> ---sunrise and sunset [ without sunrise world wud freeze over ]

>

> ---our breathing [ we cant control fully it trully speaking ]

>

> ---our thoughts we may be able to calm or alter,but these

> r electrical impluses in brain.ie they r just an energy form.

>

> ---rotation of earth

>

> ---various seasons

>

> so majority of the really important things we req for survival r really

> not in our hands.

>

> what we think is in our hand maybe also not so,as we r a product

> of nature and nuture.

>

> so basically we can think we have freewill.

>

 

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Even this very thought that one exists and ergo one has free will to

think, decide among options, act on the decision taken......

 

........was there any volitional, individuated separative " thinker " who

constructed that very thought?

 

 

The sense of the presence of thought, whether profound or

profane..............whether about a circus or about Adi Shakti.........

 

.....infers the sense of a thinker.

 

A sense of a thinker for whom either the circus is enticing or Adi Shakti.

 

 

 

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> but real truth only maa adi shakti narayani knows.

>

> om shakti

>

> gopal

>

 

 

 

 

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....

 

.... Maybe we could just realize the rope is also made of grass and eat it

too! ; )...lol

 

hugs everybody

 

--

Rafael Espadine

 

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Sriram Dongre <sriramadongrewrote:

 

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> They say

>

> " Free will is like a callte tied to a pole with a rope.

> It can eat grass anywhere (only) within the radius of the rope "

>

> Do you really have a free will ?

> Are there rope(s) of desire, fear, past impressions, attitude, beliefs,

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jai gurudev

 

om shivgoraksha

 

i agree even the thought that i have free will,is nothing but a leela of

mother adi shakti lalita tripurasundari param prakruti.

 

so basically we r just play things !!!

 

 

 

om shakti

 

gopal

 

 

 

 

On 11/18/09, Gurubuster <fanatofida wrote:

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--

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

+++++++

 

TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL

THAT EXISTS

IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI

MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI

SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER

 

 

 

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*Om Sahana Vavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu

Sahaveeryam Karavavahai

Tejas Vinavati Tamastuma vidhwishavahai

Om Shanti Shanti Shantihi*

 

 

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123wrote:

 

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gopal narayan wrote:

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> jai gurudev

>

> om shivgoraksha

>

> i agree even the thought that i have free will,is nothing but a leela of

> mother adi shakti lalita tripurasundari param prakruti.

>

> so basically we r just play things !!!

>

 

Not even that.

 

Both the appearance of the particular and the simultaneous transcendence

of the particular............ is just..............(give it whatever name)

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rohri mani wrote:

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> A quotation from Swami Vivekananda on " free will " in the Hindu tradition.

>

> " Therefore we see at once that there cannot be any such thing as

> free-will; the very words are a contradiction, because will is what we

> know, and everything that we know is within our universe, and

> everything within our universe is moulded by conditions of time, space

> and causality. ... To acquire freedom we have to get beyond the

> limitations of this universe; it cannot be found here. "

>

 

 

And for real freedom (so to say) to become self evident as

always-has-been-the-case.....

 

.....there has to be the freedom from the very thought which constructs a

need to go beyond what thought has itself constructed i.e a universe of

limitations.

 

The need to go beyond limitations is itself within the field of limitations.

 

 

 

 

 

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