Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 jai gurudev om shivgoraksha everything is a leela of the divine.many people get siddhi even without proper guru or initiation and many even after getting guru dont. pls read srimad devi bhagwat puran,all will be clear.ultimate adi guru is divine maa adi shakti herself. main focus shud be on surrender to the divine bcoz surrender is the greatest siddhi.surrender = no ego,this is most important to gain bhakti and siddhi. aim shud be jeevan mukti,getting salvation [ no attachments ] even when alive. om shakti gopal On 12/16/09, Gurubuster <fanatofida wrote: > > > > Sreekumar wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaram, > > > > Master appears to the student only?, then what happen to those > > teachers who > > teach the students before master appears to them? > > > > They realize that they have never been anything else but students > themselves. > > Some disciples were deep into Dhyan meditation. > > Suddenly the one who was at it for few years, noticed the flag on the > monastery fluttering > and remarked " The flag is moving " . > > The next who had been into Dhyan Meditation for 10 years, sneered and > said " No, it is the wind that is moving " . > > The third who had spent 23 years in the monastery, uttered......in a > grave sotto voce ...... " It is neither the flag nor the wind > .....it is the mind that is moving " . > > Pissed off hearing all this, the oldest who had been around for 60 years > and claimed astral connection with the Himalayan Babaji(who himself had > been around for 1500 years).. > > ... shouted ....... " Utter New Age nonsense. It is tongues that are moving " . > > A passing mystic who had observed all this drama, quietly walks up to > the 60 year venerated Guru > and slaps him across his face. > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\ +++++++ TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL THAT EXISTS IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 After 60 years, the apperception did not happen that nothing is moving. That nothing has ever moved. Sreekumar wrote: > > > Gurubusterji, > > why Is it necessary for that mystic to slap the 60 years old for not > 'controling the tongue'? > > Sreekumar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 thanks for your thoughts! I especially liked your last paragraph- a trend that's happened with me is that I've always gotten a little obsessed with certain 'teachers' (not all of them Indian or Hindu), and then when I find out something bad about them I get disheartened and disillusioned- but then I feel confused because their teachings make so much sense! But what you say about the human element is a good point. salma , Kulasundari Devi <sundari wrote: > > It's wise to spend some time observing the guru from a distance. Initial > impressions are important, but can also be deceiving. It's good to spend > some time around the guru and his/her disciples, without making any > commitment. Ask about the lineage - where does their authority come from? Do > they know their lineage going back at least three times? That is, the guru, > the guru's guru, and the guru's guru's guru. How to they respond to > criticism and questions? Is there controversy surrounding them? Why? > > It's important to ask questions, and from my own experience I would say it's > a good idea to spend at least a year investigating a guru and the community > around them before taking formal diksha. If after a year you feel that they > are genuine, and have benefitted from their teachings without diksha, if > they remain above controversy and blame, if you don't feel pressured by > other community members or by the guru to join, if they prove themselves to > have a legitimate lineage and be transmitting the teachings in a pure and > legitimate way, and if after a year or more they express a desire to welcome > you as a disciple, then it's more likely that they are a genuine guru. > > A year is a good amount of time as a minimum, because it's good to remember > that diksha is a lifelong endeavor. The relationship with the guru is like a > parent and child. So one should not enter into this relationship lightly. > For many of us, after a year we are able to assess whether this is a path we > can truly remain passionate about, whether it speaks to us throughout the > seasons. For some it may be better to wait for two or more years. > > Not every guru is right for every person, so just because you personally may > not benefit from a guru's teachings doesn't mean they are not legitimate. > Likewise, some beloved gurus have had controversies around them, which > doesn't negate all of their teachings, but reminds us that a guru, however > much they may have united with the dvine and shared that with their > disciples, is still very much human and can make mistakes. Also, some gurus > achieve such status through pure bhakti and may not have a lineage per se - > but they should still be held up to rigorous analysis by the potential > disciple. This is beneficial to the disciple and to the guru, because once > that rigorous analysis is done and the mind has been engaged, the disciple > may take diksha and surrender to the guru as is necessary, knowing that > their critical mind has been engaged and satisfied. Surrendering to the guru > doesn't mean leaving behind one's critical mind, but rather having emotional > maturity. It's an active state, a state of self-confidence and humility. > > At any rate, these are only my thoughts, borne out by my own experience over > the last 15 years. I'm sure others will have their own perspectives! > > jai MA kamesvari > -kulasundari > > Sri Kamakhya Mahavidya Mandir > www.kamakhyamandir.org > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, sd <salharmonica wrote: > > > > > > > But how do you know if the Guru is the right one? Or an ethical one, for > > that matter? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Well, sometimes finding out something 'bad' about a teacher can help us assess our reaction to them, and our relationship with them. Maybe it's not a healthy relationship and needs to be rethought. Maybe they are not the right teacher for us. This is why it's good to spend a year or two really checking out a teacher before committing fully to them, and to wait for them to ask us to join them. But so few of us are patient enough to do this! I'm a very impatient person, but Tantra has taught me through good times and bad that patience really and truly is a helpful virtue, and that there are no shortcuts to real progress. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM, sd <salharmonica wrote: > > > thanks for your thoughts! I especially liked your last paragraph- a trend > that's happened with me is that I've always gotten a little obsessed with > certain 'teachers' (not all of them Indian or Hindu), and then when I find > out something bad about them I get disheartened and disillusioned- but then > I feel confused because their teachings make so much sense! But what you say > about the human element is a good point. > > salma > > <%40>, > Kulasundari Devi <sundari wrote: > > > > It's wise to spend some time observing the guru from a distance. Initial > > impressions are important, but can also be deceiving. It's good to spend > > some time around the guru and his/her disciples, without making any > > commitment. Ask about the lineage - where does their authority come from? > Do > > they know their lineage going back at least three times? That is, the > guru, > > the guru's guru, and the guru's guru's guru. How to they respond to > > criticism and questions? Is there controversy surrounding them? Why? > > > > It's important to ask questions, and from my own experience I would say > it's > > a good idea to spend at least a year investigating a guru and the > community > > around them before taking formal diksha. If after a year you feel that > they > > are genuine, and have benefitted from their teachings without diksha, if > > they remain above controversy and blame, if you don't feel pressured by > > other community members or by the guru to join, if they prove themselves > to > > have a legitimate lineage and be transmitting the teachings in a pure and > > legitimate way, and if after a year or more they express a desire to > welcome > > you as a disciple, then it's more likely that they are a genuine guru. > > > > A year is a good amount of time as a minimum, because it's good to > remember > > that diksha is a lifelong endeavor. The relationship with the guru is > like a > > parent and child. So one should not enter into this relationship lightly. > > For many of us, after a year we are able to assess whether this is a path > we > > can truly remain passionate about, whether it speaks to us throughout the > > seasons. For some it may be better to wait for two or more years. > > > > Not every guru is right for every person, so just because you personally > may > > not benefit from a guru's teachings doesn't mean they are not legitimate. > > Likewise, some beloved gurus have had controversies around them, which > > doesn't negate all of their teachings, but reminds us that a guru, > however > > much they may have united with the dvine and shared that with their > > disciples, is still very much human and can make mistakes. Also, some > gurus > > achieve such status through pure bhakti and may not have a lineage per se > - > > but they should still be held up to rigorous analysis by the potential > > disciple. This is beneficial to the disciple and to the guru, because > once > > that rigorous analysis is done and the mind has been engaged, the > disciple > > may take diksha and surrender to the guru as is necessary, knowing that > > their critical mind has been engaged and satisfied. Surrendering to the > guru > > doesn't mean leaving behind one's critical mind, but rather having > emotional > > maturity. It's an active state, a state of self-confidence and humility. > > > > At any rate, these are only my thoughts, borne out by my own experience > over > > the last 15 years. I'm sure others will have their own perspectives! > > > > jai MA kamesvari > > -kulasundari > > > > Sri Kamakhya Mahavidya Mandir > > www.kamakhyamandir.org > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, sd <salharmonica wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > But how do you know if the Guru is the right one? Or an ethical one, > for > > > that matter? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 A Guru does not offer ...... Platitudes. Or a solution with endorsements, whether the endorsements are ancient or new age. Or a reckoner-guide book of what to do and what not to do. Or prescriptions. Or quotes. A Guru is least affected by the audience's love, or sneer...........acceptance or rejection. A Guru neither validates the seeker/disciple..........nor invalidates. And thus a Guru is never kind or cruel. Neither tolerant, nor intolerant. A Guru is the one which does not answer your question, but answers you..........by throwing you back to yourself. Every time. The one who keeps throwing yourself back to you...... .........embrace that one ......unconditionally. Kulasundari Devi wrote: > Well, sometimes finding out something 'bad' about a teacher can help us > assess our reaction to them, and our relationship with them. Maybe it's not > a healthy relationship and needs to be rethought. Maybe they are not the > right teacher for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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