Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi I am a new member to this group> I have recently downloaded the Rashmi Mala from the Devipuram website. I wanted to know the following things: 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get up and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling dreams (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I can't resist it doing it at night too) 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the one I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? 4. the text on shaktisadhana.org is different from what guruji chants, in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the locations, or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about the deities of the mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what Rudra looks like, what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic chakra location, or something else? 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the mahapratyangira kavach) 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the prayoga for mahavaartaali then? Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could memorise the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more daunting, with its different recitations every lunar day...does the recitation of RM count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing preparation for grander things to come later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I was on Mauna vrata and a dear friend asked me whether I am going to reply and duty bound I break my silence. 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get up and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling dreams (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I can't resist it doing it at night too) The Shastra says in the morning immediately upon getting up sitting in bed. BY accepting the mantra from the site you have practically accepted him as Guru so the normal rule is Guru's direction has to be followed in letter and spirit. 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) This detail is for your information 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the one I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. 4. The text on shaktisadhana.org is different from what guruji chants, in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. Parampara differences are there and should not confuse. So follow one parampara. 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the locations, or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about the deities of the mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what Rudra looks like, what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... For Rashmimala these are NOT necessary. It is when prayoga comes these are necessary. But then one cannot with any effect do prayogas by taking mantras from the net. For that Guru is personally necessary to instruct. Just touch the general area of the chakra initially. Then keep a picture of the chakra to help visualise and then slowly depend on the mental image. The dhyanas can be looked at later. It is better to go step by step. 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic chakra location, or something else? yes 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the mahapratyangira kavach) It is JrimbNi. Jrimbhana is the act of yawning or exploding. It is basically exploding the enemy prayogas. 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the prayoga for mahavaartaali then? I would be careful as however detailed the writings the full methodology of Prayogas will not be obtained except directly from a Guru who is a siddha. It is in any event better to avoid prayogas. Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could memorise the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more daunting, with its different recitations every lunar day...does the recitation of RM count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing preparation for grander things to come later? It is my PERSONAL view that getting siddhi in KM is more useful than going for RM without further deeksha in SV mantras. But then you are the boss!!! , suneil shrivastav <suneil_suneil wrote: > > Hi > > I am a new member to this group> I have recently downloaded the Rashmi Mala from the Devipuram website. > > I wanted to know the following things: > 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get up and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling dreams (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I can't resist it doing it at night too) > 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) > 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the one I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? > 4. the text on shaktisadhana.org is different from what guruji chants, in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? > 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the locations, or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about the deities of the mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what Rudra looks like, what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... > 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic chakra location, or something else? > 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the mahapratyangira kavach) > 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the prayoga for mahavaartaali then? > Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could memorise the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more daunting, with its different recitations every lunar day...does the recitation of RM count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing preparation for grander things to come later? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Suneil I can hardly add anything now that kochu has spoken. He is sort of an authority on mantrashaastra. To add my bit,  We are not to indulge in any prayogas. Recite rashmimala in the morning. Reciting again in the night...well...it is left to you. Rashmimala is generally given to one who is initiated. Many mantras in rashmimala are vedic mantras and some of the mantras are very esoteric and powerful...like greater than 25000 volt. The step down transformer is the guru.  Khadgamala does not require initiation (tho' there exists a sampradaya which dictates strict initiation).  Both RM and KM are for recitation, NOT prayoga. If you desire something for your own personal benefit, samkalpa-maatrena tatsidhhyate. Atah eva, pramaado varjyah. Devotion rather than result seeking should be the attitude.  JR, the ultimate Ignoramus. --- On Tue, 1/12/10, kochu1tz <kochu1tz wrote: kochu1tz <kochu1tz Re: Rashmi mala and khadga mala Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:11 PM  1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get up and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling dreams (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I can't resist it doing it at night too) The Shastra says in the morning immediately upon getting up sitting in bed. BY accepting the mantra from the site you have practically accepted him as Guru so the normal rule is Guru's direction has to be followed in letter and spirit. 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) This detail is for your information 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the one I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. 4. The text on shaktisadhana. org is different from what guruji chants, in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. Parampara differences are there and should not confuse. So follow one parampara. 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the locations, or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about the deities of the mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what Rudra looks like, what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... For Rashmimala these are NOT necessary. It is when prayoga comes these are necessary. But then one cannot with any effect do prayogas by taking mantras from the net. For that Guru is personally necessary to instruct. Just touch the general area of the chakra initially. Then keep a picture of the chakra to help visualise and then slowly depend on the mental image. 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic chakra location, or something else? yes 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the mahapratyangira kavach) It is JrimbNi. Jrimbhana is the act of yawning or exploding. 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the prayoga for mahavaartaali then? I would be careful as however detailed the writings the full methodology of Prayogas will not be obtained except directly from a Guru who is a siddha. It is in any event better to avoid prayogas. Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could memorise the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more daunting, with its different recitations every lunar day...does the recitation of RM count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing preparation for grander things to come later? It is my PERSONAL view that getting siddhi in KM is more useful than going for RM without further deeksha in SV mantras. But then you are the boss!!! , suneil shrivastav <suneil_suneil@ ...> wrote: > > Hi > > I am a new member to this group> I have recently downloaded the Rashmi Mala from the Devipuram website. > > I wanted to know the following things: > 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get up and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling dreams (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I can't resist it doing it at night too) > 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) > 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the one I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? > 4. the text on shaktisadhana. org is different from what guruji chants, in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? > 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the locations, or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about the deities of the mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what Rudra looks like, what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... > 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic chakra location, or something else? > 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the mahapratyangira kavach) > 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the prayoga for mahavaartaali then? > Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could memorise the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more daunting, with its different recitations every lunar day...does the recitation of RM count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing preparation for grander things to come later? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I am NOT any authority on anything.*laughs* , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > > Dear Suneil > I can hardly add anything now that kochu has spoken. He is sort of an authority on mantrashaastra. To add my bit, >  > We are not to indulge in any prayogas. Recite rashmimala in the morning. Reciting again in the night...well...it is left to you. Rashmimala is generally given to one who is initiated. Many mantras in rashmimala are vedic mantras and some of the mantras are very esoteric and powerful...like greater than 25000 volt. The step down transformer is the guru. >  > Khadgamala does not require initiation (tho' there exists a sampradaya which dictates strict initiation). >  > Both RM and KM are for recitation, NOT prayoga. If you desire something for your own personal benefit, samkalpa-maatrena tatsidhhyate. Atah eva, pramaado varjyah. Devotion rather than result seeking should be the attitude. >  > JR, the ultimate Ignoramus. > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, kochu1tz <kochu1tz wrote: > > > kochu1tz <kochu1tz > Re: Rashmi mala and khadga mala > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:11 PM > > >  > > > > > 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get up > and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling dreams > (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I can't > resist it doing it at night too) > > The Shastra says in the morning immediately upon getting up sitting in > bed. > > BY accepting the mantra from the site you have practically accepted him > as Guru so the normal rule is Guru's direction has to be followed in > letter and spirit. > > 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, > trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) > > This detail is for your information > > 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the one > I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? > > Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. > > 4. The text on shaktisadhana. org is different from what guruji chants, > in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? > > Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. Parampara > differences are there and should not confuse. So follow one parampara. > > 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the locations, > or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about the > deities of the > mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what Rudra looks like, > what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... > > For Rashmimala these are NOT necessary. It is when prayoga comes these > are necessary. But then one cannot with any effect do prayogas by taking > mantras from the net. For that Guru is personally necessary to instruct. > > Just touch the general area of the chakra initially. Then keep a picture > of the chakra to help visualise and then slowly depend on the mental > image. > > 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras > for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic > chakra location, or something else? > > yes > > 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, > " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is > it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the > mahapratyangira kavach) > > It is JrimbNi. Jrimbhana is the act of yawning or exploding. > > 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, > swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the > prayoga for mahavaartaali then? > > I would be careful as however detailed the writings the full methodology > of Prayogas will not be obtained except directly from a Guru who is a > siddha. It is in any event better to avoid prayogas. > > Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could memorise > the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more daunting, with > its different recitations every lunar day...does the recitation of RM > count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing preparation for grander > things to come later? > > It is my PERSONAL view that getting siddhi in KM is more useful than > going for RM without further deeksha in SV mantras. But then you are the > boss!!! > > , suneil shrivastav > <suneil_suneil@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I am a new member to this group> I have recently downloaded the Rashmi > Mala from the Devipuram website. > > > > I wanted to know the following things: > > 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get > up and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling > dreams (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I > can't resist it doing it at night too) > > 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, > trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) > > 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the > one I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? > > 4. the text on shaktisadhana. org is different from what guruji chants, > in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? > > 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the > locations, or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about > the deities of the mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what > Rudra looks like, what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... > > 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras > for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic > chakra location, or something else? > > 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, > " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is > it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the > mahapratyangira kavach) > > 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, > swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the > prayoga for mahavaartaali then? > > Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could > memorise the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more > daunting, with its different recitations every lunar day...does the > recitation of RM count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing > preparation for grander things to come later? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 This bhakta personally thinks Kochu is being modest! ;-) On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM, kochu1tz <kochu1tz wrote: > > > I am NOT any authority on anything.*laughs* > > > <%40>, > Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > > > > Dear Suneil > > I can hardly add anything now that kochu has spoken. He is sort of an > authority on mantrashaastra. To add my bit, > >  > > > We are not to indulge in any prayogas. Recite rashmimala in the morning. > Reciting again in the night...well...it is left to you. Rashmimala is > generally given to one who is initiated. Many mantras in rashmimala are > vedic mantras and some of the mantras are very esoteric and powerful...like > greater than 25000 volt. The step down transformer is the guru. > >  > > > Khadgamala does not require initiation (tho' there exists a sampradaya > which dictates strict initiation). > >  > > Both RM and KM are for recitation, NOT prayoga. If you desire something > for your own personal benefit, samkalpa-maatrena tatsidhhyate. Atah eva, > pramaado varjyah. Devotion rather than result seeking should be the > attitude. > >  > > JR, the ultimate Ignoramus. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, kochu1tz <kochu1tz wrote: > > > > > > kochu1tz <kochu1tz > > > Re: Rashmi mala and khadga mala > > <%40> > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:11 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get up > > and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling dreams > > (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I can't > > resist it doing it at night too) > > > > The Shastra says in the morning immediately upon getting up sitting in > > bed. > > > > BY accepting the mantra from the site you have practically accepted him > > as Guru so the normal rule is Guru's direction has to be followed in > > letter and spirit. > > > > 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, > > trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) > > > > This detail is for your information > > > > 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the one > > I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? > > > > Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. > > > > 4. The text on shaktisadhana. org is different from what guruji chants, > > in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? > > > > Whatever the Guru had given is what is right for YOU. Parampara > > differences are there and should not confuse. So follow one parampara. > > > > 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the locations, > > or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about the > > deities of the > > mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what Rudra looks like, > > what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... > > > > For Rashmimala these are NOT necessary. It is when prayoga comes these > > are necessary. But then one cannot with any effect do prayogas by taking > > mantras from the net. For that Guru is personally necessary to instruct. > > > > Just touch the general area of the chakra initially. Then keep a picture > > of the chakra to help visualise and then slowly depend on the mental > > image. > > > > 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras > > for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic > > chakra location, or something else? > > > > yes > > > > 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, > > " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is > > it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the > > mahapratyangira kavach) > > > > It is JrimbNi. Jrimbhana is the act of yawning or exploding. > > > > 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, > > swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the > > prayoga for mahavaartaali then? > > > > I would be careful as however detailed the writings the full methodology > > of Prayogas will not be obtained except directly from a Guru who is a > > siddha. It is in any event better to avoid prayogas. > > > > Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could memorise > > the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more daunting, with > > its different recitations every lunar day...does the recitation of RM > > count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing preparation for grander > > things to come later? > > > > It is my PERSONAL view that getting siddhi in KM is more useful than > > going for RM without further deeksha in SV mantras. But then you are the > > boss!!! > > > > , suneil shrivastav > > <suneil_suneil@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I am a new member to this group> I have recently downloaded the Rashmi > > Mala from the Devipuram website. > > > > > > I wanted to know the following things: > > > 1. What is the correct way of practising it? I do it once when I get > > up and once when I go to sleep, and I have been getting unsettling > > dreams (I know guruji says we do it once mentally when we wake up, but I > > can't resist it doing it at night too) > > > 2. Do we recite only the mantras, or the descriptions too (like, > > trinshatvarnA gAyatrI mUlAdhAre, and then the gAyatrI) > > > 3. The chakshushmati vidya mantra guruji recites is shorter than the > > one I see elsewhere on google. any diffrence? > > > 4. the text on shaktisadhana. org is different from what guruji chants, > > in some places and in minor respects. What do i follow? > > > 5. How do we " focus " on the chakras? Just concentrate on the > > locations, or also visualise the petals and the devatas? Then what about > > the deities of the mantras? I don't know what Aindri looks like, what > > Rudra looks like, what gandharavaraja looks like and stuff... > > > 6. What is the process for the last mala? Since there are five mantras > > for the lower three chakras, do we chant all of them in the generic > > chakra location, or something else? > > > 7. what is the significance of the following mahavarahi mantra words, > > " andhe andhini namah, rundhe rundhini namah, jrimbhe jrimbhini namah (is > > it jambhe or jrimbhe - usually it is jrimbhi, i saw this version in the > > mahapratyangira kavach) > > > 8. can we use the mantras as a prayoga? like the chakshushmati vidyaa, > > swapna vaartaali mantra, or the tiraskarini mantra? what would be the > > prayoga for mahavaartaali then? > > > Finally, what is better as a daily practice, RM or KM? I could > > memorise the rashmi mala in two days, but the khadgamala is more > > daunting, with its different recitations every lunar day...does the > > recitation of RM count as part of sadhana, or am i just doing > > preparation for grander things to come later? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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