great discovery!

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I was so excited to find this site and after working my way

throughall the maze of data to join. Wrote you a response and

immediately lost it.

I found sahaja Yoga in 81 but after reading of your experiences I

feel I have been muddling along somewhat.

The problems about announcing Sri Mataji's Advent in a big way

have puzzled a lot of us for a long time.

More than half the people who call themselves yogis don't seem to

really feel connected in a heartfelt way and they have an inhibiting

effect on those of us who are moved by the experience.

I remember Sri Mataji saying that those of us who came then were

mostly " right sided " and that the real bhaktas were still praying to

God and that they would be regarded as mad by the ones who were

necessary at that time to establish some sort of foundation.

Of course few of them are left now. Another thing which sustained me

was when Sri Mataji warned us not to be attatched to Sahaja Yoga

which She said " ..is just one of My forms, but to Me. " A lot of

people still don't see that.

The great Miracle is that we have developed so much love for each

other. Seeing the folk who just arrived back from Ganaptipule we

were amazed at the great radiance of love they exuded at the

airport.

This site also indicates a huge shift in the same direction.

It couldn't happen until the American continent was engaged.

In Australia a lot of our concern has been in establishing the

qualities of the Mooladhara. Communicating is not such a strong

point. with love from Lyndal

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shriadishakti , " in2centre <supatni@b...> "

<supatni@b...> wrote:

 

> The problems about announcing Sri Mataji's Advent in a big way

> have puzzled a lot of us for a long time.

> More than half the people who call themselves yogis don't seem

to really feel connected in a heartfelt way and they have an

inhibiting effect on those of us who are moved by the experience.

 

Let me tell SYs how the devotees of rakshasas are toiling day and

night shouting themselves hoarse from rooftops to announce their

gurus:

 

" Sathya Sai Baba says that He is the second of a triple incarnation.

The first was Shirdi Sai Baba and the third will be Prema Sai Baba.

Below, we give the information that is known about Prema Sai Baba,

with references to the sources. The first mention of Prema Sai by

Sathya Sai Baba appears to be in the discourse Shiva Shakthi,  6

July 1963,  In a conversation between Shiva, Shakthi, and

Bharadwaja after Bharadwaja performed a ritual, Shiva said

that " they would take human form and be born in the Bharadwaja

lineage, thrice: Shiva alone as Shirdi Sai Baba, Shiva and Shakthi

together at Puttaparthy as Sathya Sai Baba, and Shakthi alone as

Prema Sai, later. "

 

Yes, his devotees are already announcing the advent of Sai's next

incarnation who will be Prema Sai Baba. That's an ingenious way of

continuing posterity.

 

" To say that L. Ron Hubbard was a remarkable man seems somehow

incomplete. Mr. Hubbard left an extraordinary legacy: an immense

body of wisdom that leads man to spiritual freedom; the fastest-

growing religion in the world today. As the founder of the

Scientology religion L. Ron Hubbard has described his philosophy

in more than 5,000 writings, including dozens of books, and in 3,000

tape-recorded lectures of Dianetics and Scientology. Those who

regularly employ his teachings to improve themselves and help their

fellows come from all walks of life, while Scientology missions and

churches have been established on six continents.

 

The universal acclaim for the man–including thousands of awards

and recognitions from individuals and groups and the unprecedented

popularity of his works is but one indicator of the effectiveness of

his technologies. More importantly, there are millions of people

around the world who consider they have no greater friend. "

 

Most SYs are familiar with Mr. Hubbard and his Church of

Scientology. His devotees go to great lengths to uphold his

teachings. Try disturbing their nest and see how they will swarm all

over you to recant any accusations. (i wonder what they would have

done if he was on par with Sai Baba.)

 

" Q: At what time does master install the Falun in the students?

A: We want to discuss this with all of you here. We have some

students who have practiced many different practices. The difficulty

lies in the fact that we have to get rid of all the messy and

disorderly things that exist in the body, keeping the good and

throwing away the bad. Therefore, this is an additional step. After

that, Falun may be installed. According to the level of his

cultivation, the size of Falun installed varies. Some have never

practiced Qigong before. Through readjustment and with good inborn

quality, some people may have their sicknesses eliminated in my

class, leaving the level of Qi and entering into the state of " Milky

White Body " . Under those circumstances, Falun can also be installed.

Many people have poor health. They are undergoing adjustments

continuously. How can Falun be installed before the adjustments are

completed? This is only a minority. Do not worry. I have already

installed the Qiji (energy mechanism) that can form the Falun.

 

Q: How is the Falun carried?

A: It is not carried. I send out the Falun and install it in your

lower abdomen. It is not in our physical dimension, but in a

different one. If it were in this dimension, with the intestines

that are inside of your lower abdomen, what would happen if it

started to spin? It exists in another dimension and is in no

conflict with this one. "

 

i will give just one random Falun page set up by a devotee of Master

Li Hongzhi and let SYs see the wealth of information available

http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg_5.htm. And let's not forget

the heroism and supreme sacrifice carried out by his devotees in

China in the face of brutal repression, torture and imprisonment. A

ferocious state campaign to crush the movement is still under

progress and Falun Gong survives, even after thousands of arrests.

 

It would be an insult if we SYs were to compare our efforts to

announce our Guru to these far successful organizations. The

difference is that their devotees are unswerving and fearless in

theirs efforts to publicize their conviction that their guru is what

he claims to be. But we SYs are living under a siege mentality that

the public and press will attack Sahaja Yoga if we ever mention that

our Guru is the Adi Shakti or that it is the Last Judgment. Just

look at any 'official' Sahaja Yoga website and you will get the

picture. Even the World Savior site gives scant information and

beats around the bush concerning the world savior. (i suspect that

this website was set up just to counter criticism that SYs are not

revealing of their guru.)

 

All this is plain hypocrisy and greatly damages the reputation and

integrity of Sahaja Yoga. i find it disgusting that those who call

themselves self-realized demonstrate so little honesty and

conviction. Even the Project 2800 websites by devotees of Shri

Mataji make no mention of their Guru as the Ad Shakti. It looks like

those in charge fear mentioning the Last Judgment, Resurrection (Al-

Qiyamah), Comforter, Holy Spirit, Jagdamba, Ruh etc. and regard them

as taboo subjects. Yes, Lyndal " they have an inhibiting effect on

those of us who are moved by the experience. " And as long as this

fear factor remains ingrained in our consciousness Sahaja Yoga will

remain what it is regarded by many - just another yoga organization

by just another guru.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

 

To see what is right and not to do it is want of courage. (Confucius)

 

That all men would be cowards if they dare,

Some men we know have courage to declare. (George Crabble)

 

When desperate ills demand a speedy cure,

Distrust is cowardice, and prudence folly. (Samuel Johnson)

 

That which in mean men we entitle patience

Is pale cold cowardice in noble beasts. (William Shakespear)

 

As an old soldier I admit the cowardice: it's as universal as sea

sickness, and matters just as little. (George Bernard Shaw)

 

Man gives every reason for his conduct save one, every excuse for

his crimes save one, every plea for his safety save one; and that

one is his cowardice. (George Bernard Shaw)

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

i personally was never denied answers to questions put to the

collective when i was a young yogi. Perhaps that is a crowning

achievement of the Boston yogis, they are honest. It was not to many

weeks in to meditating that i approached them with the question, Is

Shri Mataji the Holy Spirit? There was no beating around the bush. i

would not have believed them anyway if they had responded

differently. i was certain that she was and only wanted confirmation.

 

One thing has always come to mind when thinking about the clamor of

the false guru's and the seeming stealth of Sahaja Yoga, is that

saying in the bible, She will come as a theif in the night. That

means quietly to me. Taking here and there those who belong to Her.

i think if the clamor about Sahaja Yoga rose to a high pitch, the

opposing forces would rise also to try and drown it out. The

resulting mess would probably have no greater effect than the Divine

intended.

 

i think individuals should do what is in their own hearts. If they

do not then they are only hurting themselves. Should Sahaja Yoga fill

its ranks with half baked individuals who are intent only on their

own desires of fame and fortune? i think there are already to many of

them around.

 

i am also reminded of the great Sanga of the Buddha, when his father

tried to send messengers to find out what was going on. They never

returned and the more he sent the greater was his frustration. Till

he went there himself. To see them all happily forgetting why they

were even sent.

 

i trust in God that all is as it should be. The Divine has been in

charge of human history for this long. We do what we can and leave

the rest.

 

It is the greatest gift to be free of the human condition, but it

also requires the most courage to face ones self. This is the great

battle ground. It is not for everyone. But that is only my opinion.

 

Peace and Love,

Ishmael