Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear devarshi, what do you mean about " some of the figures " having elitism? regards from Lyndal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear Lyndal, Well, I thought some parts of your post -that I paste hereunder - conveyed the idea of some kind of exclusiveness in redemption, and wanted to mark my scepticism. I guess memories of other texts interfered (you know like " only 40% only will be saved... " ). Reading your post again I don't find this meaning. (Though " roughage " doesn't seem to be a very compassionate). So sorry if I wasn't very clear on that point. The play of collectivity in Sahaja Yoga has been, and still is both very sublte and very tough at times. Everyone has its part, and those who can be named as " fanatics " are mostly sincere people. Their goal is honnest, even if, I agree, the result of their acts can sometimes be conterproductive to say the least. Hope it clears my point. Sorry again if any misunderstanding. Devarshi " We are establishing The Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Totally. Only the Meek and the Pure in Heart will live to inherit the Earth. This is the " mastery " (another word of dubious value) which Lord Jesus described. Only those who are humble, becoming like little Children. NO ONE ELSE. Only such as these can enter. Because only such people have absolute heartfelt connection with Our Mother through their own individual kundalinis. " " The other collective of half baked and quarter baked and one eighth baked contains a few rare gems of real sahaja yogis for the continuity. The bulk of them are just there for roughage to aid our digestion. " shriadishakti , " in2centre <supatni@b...> " <supatni@b...> wrote: > > > Dear devarshi, > what do you mean about " some of the figures " having > elitism? > regards from Lyndal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Dear Devarshi, Sorry, I was being a bit flippant, about the bulk, at the end. I'm not so sure that fanatics are honest. They mostly seem to be very possessed on the left side. Which sort of drives them. Actually the fanatics are not a problem here. It is more the ones who treat Sahaja Yoga as a sort of church social and are so pre- occupied with material matters and mundane things, and so respectful of rich people, and not really interested in listening to Sri Mataji's talks or really meditating, or who still think having adulterous eyes and flirting is acceptable, and that negativity is a sort of fairy tale, these are the people who lower the tone of the collective and then some of them even " do " programmes as well and talk such nonsense that it is embaressing to listen to. I spent many years expecting this to change and feeling frustrated and sad. So often the collective behaving as if it was the same people whom I knew in the church of my youth. It is as if there is no resonance inside such people...no space and no peace. (They generally talk a lot and loudly). But slowly slowly I began to realise this IS the process and it is for me to learn not to react. If you read an earlier post (169) there is an attached ajna talk and the second last paragraph on page 8, Sri Mataji makes it very clear that only very few people are capable of attaining the real depth required for this next and final stage of our evolution. But when we are fortunate enough to discover such people in the collective what a joyful meeting that is. Even just to see them from a distance, or just to sit beside them without speaking. And mostly the mass of noisy people either overlook these deep souls completely or attack them and belittle what they have to offer. You were speaking about the early christians, I think the sincere ones probably followed Mary to (present day) Turkey or went to India as Thomas did and left the politics to Peter and Paul. I would recommend anyone new to this forum to take the time to read the earlier discussions. There is no doubt it is a very valuable medium at this stage of our collective growth. with love from Lyndal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 Dear Lyndal, It's not so clear to me whether the expectations regarding human condition - even of enlightened souls - should be that high, unless you meet disappointments. This is just basic human wisdom, common sense, of course. Everyone would love to evolve in a highly spiritual, peaceful surrounding. But isn't it one of the illusions that allow many deviances in the collectivity? Many would happily throw themselves in the fire of matyrdom for their faith but wouldn't bear more than five minutes the snoring of their neighbour... The challenges of collective behaviour are also at a very gross level, but from that point, the redemption of all is much easier to conceive. I understood you like poetry. Do you know that one ? " If men are habitations of God, we should fall at their feet, but we should leave alone their habits and aims. Fire is good to drive away cold, but you must not tie it up and carry it about in a cloth. Tuka says, A scorpion or a snake is a habitation of Narayana ; you may worship him afar, but you must not touch him. " Love to all, from Devarshi shriadishakti , " in2centre <supatni@b...> " <supatni@b...> wrote: > > Dear Devarshi, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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