[shriadishakti] SHOCKING !!!!! Rudra, please respond

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Jagbir, Rajan and Simon

 

>Simon sent a reply (see below) to Rajan who in turn answers topics

>raised by Rudra. i would really want Rudra to also answer since he

>is more familiar with post-1984 issues.

 

I don't think this is the forum to deal with these issues.

 

> Moreover Rajan has changed

>his stance that made you leave in the first place

 

I didn't leave, I just don't want to spend time posting to this

list when there is another list that deals with the issues I am

concentrating on at the moment.

 

> " You are doing a good job, Rudra. My best wishes

>

>I did not understand about the prodigal son. Please

>elaborate.

 

It's one of Jesus' parables, from Luke 15.11-32

 

11 And he said, " There was a man who had two sons; 12 and the younger

of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of property that

falls to me.'And he divided his living between them. 13 Not many days

later, the younger son gathered all he had and took his journey into

a far country, and there he squandered his property in loose living.

14 And when he had spent everything, a great famine arose in that country,

and he began to be in want. 15 So he went and joined himself to one

of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed

swine. 16 And he would gladly have fed on the pods that the swine ate;

and no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to himself he said,

'How many of my father's hired servants have bread enough and to spare,

but I perish here with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father,

and I will say to him, " Father, I have sinned against heaven and before

you; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me as one

of your hired servants. " ' 20 And he arose and came to his father. But

while he was yet at a distance, his father saw him and had compassion,

and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21And the son said to him,

'Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer

worthy to be called your son.' 22 But the father said to his servants,

'Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his

hand, and shoes on his feet; 23 and bring the fatted calf and kill it,

and let us eat and make merry; 24 for this my son was dead, and is alive

again; he was lost, and is found.' And they began to make merry.

 

25 " Now his elder son was in the field; and as he came and drew near

to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 And he called one of the

servants and asked what this meant. 27 And he said to him, 'Your brother

has come, and your father has killed the fatted calf, because he has

received him safe and sound.' 28 But he was angry and refused to go in.

His father came out and entreated him, 29 but he answered his father,

'Lo, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed your

command; yet you never gave me a kid, that I might make merry with my

friends. 30 But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your living

with harlots, you killed for him the fatted calf!' 31And he said to him,

'Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 It was

fitting to make merry and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and

is alive; he was lost, and is found.' "

 

I mentioned this in response to the idea that we should

be detached about people who don't come to Sahaja Yoga

because they've read the anti- material.

 

In my understanding, detachment doesn't mean doing

nothing. Rather we should practise what Shri Krishna

calls nishkama karma (desireless action) in the

Bhagavad Gita. As I understand it we should make the

utmost effort to bring people into Sahaj but we should

surrender the fruits of our efforts to Mother's Holy

Feet. In the same way, being detached about the anti-

sites does not mean doing nothing about them. We should

do our best to establish the truth but, again, surrender

the fruits of our action to Mother.

 

For this reason, I would encourage all readers to join

the new list and participate in the establishment of

truth where previously only lies and half-truth have

existed.

 

>If you are joining a new list elsewhere, how to get in

>touch with you? "

 

Email me at rudra or just join the new list.

 

>> Someone practising Child Abuse in Sahajayoga is a new

>> thing I've heard.

>

>Look at this site:

>

>http://mitglied.lycos.de/Sahaja_Yoga_Facts/index2.htm

 

As I understand it, dealing with the issues raised here

is the prime concern of the new list at the moment.

 

Let the truth prevail.

 

Regards, Rudra

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>> I would encourage all readers to join

>> the new list and participate in the establishment of

>> truth where previously only lies and half-truth have

>> existed.

>

>i would prefer that you deal with Simon since you know him and the

>issues he raises.

 

I didn't know him at all well. We probably only exchanged half

a dozen words.

 

> Ivan did a terrific job of a TKO but Judy just

>stole the limelight by saving Simon when she counted all the way

>to

>a very, very slow 108. So i would love to see how both of you will

>handle this intimate couple.

 

They really don't interest me unless they can tell me stuff that

is true that I don't already know. If there is any truth in this

India School story then I'm grateful that somebody told me before

I sent any of my kids there. If there is no truth in it, then I

think publicising such lies is beneath contempt.

 

>And Rudra, can you please clarify in some detail what you meant

>by " the establishment of truth where previously only lies and half-

>truth have existed " ? It will help us help you.

 

I'm just saying that we are unsure how much truth there is and I

want to see it clarified. Any news on when the response is coming?

 

All I am hearing in Sahaj circles is how people want to take Simon

to court. It's been over 2 weeks since some of us got that message

and we're yet to see a response.

 

>So Rudra just brief us before we all begin this forum in earnest,

>once we have decided whether it will be option 3 or

>2 ......................... or the safer 2 1/2. Thanks.

 

I know this isn't the place to vote but I also would like to vote

for #3.

 

Regards, Rudra

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