Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Emeltee, The circumstances and how they took place need a much more mature understanding. You, I and anyone cannot jump the gun at the slightest offence. If Shri Mataji says She could control someone's ego, then it may be for a particular purpose for initiating and spreading Sahajayoga in that particular area (whatever it may be). Now, for instance, if I ask you that a particular gentleman is made a leader in a new country , and supposedly he is the only one in that new country worthy of that position due to whatever faculties he possesses (mental, vocal, organisational, spiritually an achiever - if not an overachiever - and whatever is required to start and spread Sahaj in that area). Ok, initially, he may have some ego rushing to his head just because Shri Mataji appointed him. It may be due to the fact that he is/was the only one available at that time. Shri Mataji controlled his/her ego to spread Sahaj in that country. No doubt She sits at the Sahasrara (which even you would not dispute) and She controls all the Chakras including the Mooladhara Chakra. But why should She rule some human being with an iron hand so as to make him act as a robot? That is not the way God wishes. God, or a Good God, as you would say, would show you the way to correct yourself and then show you a ladder leading up. Now, there have been cases in SY all over the globe where SYs have misbehaved, not exactly with the Muladhara chakra, but involving money, or some sheer stuipidity. I know one senior SY who is allowed to run a center at home because Shri Mataji gave realisation to that individual in the 70s (maybe one of the first SYs) and that SY is pigheaded enough to refuse people with diabetes, blood pressure and other chronic diseases into his/her house . This SY leader insists that such people do footsoaking everyday (which nobody is complaining about) and go to the other center for at least 3 months before coming to this SYs house. Shri Mataji hasn't kicked this SY out of SYoga for this. Now tell me this. OK, some adult gay individuals who were given a chance of reforming and learning and rising did fall prey to negativity due to reasons whatever they may be. It could be ignorance, sheer naivaite, I can say. Some of them did indulge (which can be considered negative against you in SY). Out of those who indulged , some realised that it was wrong and gave it up and were bold enough to resist advances and again came to the correct path. Some who did not give it up, (maybe they could not fathom that gaydom is not approved in SY) were thrown out. I would like to know how many such people were there who succumbed to gaydom after joining SY. (including those who corrected themselves and those who did not correct themselves). And, if that person was good in spreading SY, apart from those above (who succumbed to gaydom) how many benefitted from the appointment of this person as a leader and that center was instrumental for producing how many SYs from the day this unfortunate incident occured till today. If I say, from the initial date when this happened and till today, there were say for example, 12 people who succumbed to gaydom and that center has produced 5000 SYs till today, we can say it is 12 negative points (assuming all 12 were thrown out) and 5000 positive points. If HHSM had thrown out the troublesome leader immediately, we can safely say that it would have been 5012 negative because then if there is no center, there is no SY and no positive points. What about those 5000 people who did not fall into the mire? It's not about individuals, it's about SAHAJAYOGA. You can say that an organization is run by individuals, yes, but individuals are not above the Organization, the cause. God writes how many years a man or a woman will live on this earth and monitors everything. God gives you freedom to choose the correct path or the wrong path. Even if you trod the wrong path, God may not punish immediately, that remains His/Her discretion. God then watches you roll in the filth, and still gives you a chance to redeem yourself from that garbage. But when God sees that the stupid karmas you do in that mire are detrimental to people around you and detrimental to the evolutionary game (from beginning to ending) and you have crossed the point of no return, then God turns you out of that arena (in this case SY). There are people who have sinned for centuries and in front of their karmas, gaydom would look like an infant in the world of negativity. Even such people have obtained forgiveness . But why should God tolerate someone who goes against Him deliberately and with malicious intent? Now let us see the speech what has been quoted in this forum " So I'm warning you, it's not to pamper the ego of Mr Warren in any way, which I know how to control. Because I can control his ego. I can control him sitting down there. But you are to be controlled through him. I have to have somebody here who controls you. Because you know that in the beginning you need a controller and somebody has to tell you. " " Talk to Ashram Sahaja Yogis " , 25 March 1981 What does this mean? It is as simple and uncomplicated as anything on this earth. What Mother means is that Warren here is going to run the center and is going to monitor all activities, administrative, spiritual and all etc. It doesn't mean that anyone joining is a slave of Warren. Or should submit to him as a slave. How can you say from this statement? About Shri Mataji being God and being the Adishakti, I or other people around the globe have no doubts about that. And nobody I know is complaining either. Now, I don't know why such an incident (to which an individual, a new comer may not be related to at all) should stop someone from joining and excelling in SY. About the point that HHSM's personal secretary had AIDS, and even then Shri Mataji kept him as a secretary, one can look at it in this perspective that HHSM having an ever forgiving nature and a huge heart, could quote this as an example that She has no inhibitions about having an AIDS patient as a secretary, and could treat him. The view of the situation changes entirely when viewed from a different perspective. OK, he was thrown out when it became public knowledge, but this sentence speaks/tells so less of what had transpired and what exactly were the circumstances which led to him being thrown out. As I say, we are being graded every microsecond we live, whether in or out of Sahaj, and that is decided by God almighty. If someone is kicked out in front of yu in an organization, what do you know about how he spends his each and every minute of his 24 hours? Or his entire, 24 * 7 * 365? Can you provide a guaranteed statement saying that between the time HHSM appointed him as a secretary inspite of knowing he has AIDS and till the time he was thrown out, he did not misbehave (as I said, cross any social, legal and moral boundary) in Sahaj? If he did misbehave, what was the extent of his misbehaviour? Was it pardonable or was it not? We come to Sahaj because God has made it and given it as a birthright. We are not obliging anyone least of all HHSM by joining Sahaj. As to your point saying that you don't see how SY has benefitted the world. I can say that if today 1 % of the world's population consists of SYs , a community which is connected to God with all benefits, I need not repeat. You would know as you did Sahaj. 1 % of the world's population means 50000000 people. That's a lot of people. Can you do that , Emeltee? I don't know if you are in Sahaj or not. But, wait for the next 18 months and see how Sahajis all over are going to benefit those who are yet to join. Then you will see how Sahaj and Sahajis are going to help the world. Just 18 months, wait and watch. Get of all things off your chest. I will answer all questions. Rajan The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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