Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Lyndal and all, i agree wholeheartedly that there was a hiatus in communications, as most of the time was not home and even then my attention was elsewhere. i have just pulled my ears. > It is easier to express the joy of discovery and the reality of > one's convictions in print than in a large hall full of people. This is definitely correct and cannot be disputed. i will be the first to admit that and more - i will not be able to speak to a group of people despite my unshakable conviction that Shri Mataji is the Adi Shakti (Comforter) who has been given the mandate by God- Almighty to announce the Last Judgment and Resurrection to all humankind. The reason is that i lack oratory skills and i am glad for that as i dislike intensely any role of a public speaker. Moreover, anything i say may be misconstrued as showing off / bragging, given the information i have about the Adi Shakti in the Sahasrara. Notwithstanding that, i enjoy immensely putting in print all evidence in my possession about Shri Mataji. i find this to be vastly superior and far less energy consuming method of reaching out to the masses. i know that the internet will eventually enable access to humans living in the most remotest corner of Earth, a giant leap in spreading the message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. There is no better method of spreading Sahaja Yoga. i am not telling SYs to announce from street corners and minarets about the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah. All i am asking is that we should be honest and forthright on the internet, given hundreds of official and individual Sahaja Yoga websites ................... ....................... all completely avoiding the very foundations that Sahaja Yoga is built on. i am acutely embarrassed by this deception! > One of the most inhibiting factors for a lot of yogis > (particularly men) is being aware of other critical yogis in the > audience. Even the ones they regard as friends, often exhude, > negative thoughts which diminish the speaker's confidence in > asserting the truth. This is a problem that will probably never be eradicated. No matter how much we try there will always be negative comments. Some murmuring souls just cannot stop gossiping and slandering others. i presume this to be more of a western problem where egos are larger. My own experience in North America with SYs, as compared to those from the east like Malaysia and India, more than justifies this assumption. However, i believe this problem would not have arose had SYs announced the Truth from the very beginning. i hope the chickens have not come home to roost. > It might help if the yogis doing programmes have a sort of warm up > with others first where everyone is expressing a wish to really > announce Sri Mataji's Advent. The chances of this happening is rather slim as most are averse to public reaction. This fear and inhibition pervades all collectives and any attempt to be more forthright is met with plain rejection. The standard answer is: " Shri Mataji just wants us to give Self- realization. " Any further attempt to clarify that the Last Judgment is an extremely grave message mandated to be openly and loudly announced by both the Bible and Quran, and by Shri Mataji Herself, is met by a wall of silence and attention diverted elsewhere. > Another inhibiting factor in the West is that Christian > conditioning doesn't allow expectations of an actual Incarnation > of the Holy Spirit in human form. Even though Lord Jesus is > recorded as having promised to send the Holy Spirit, most > Christians think it is a metaphor for a state of grace, not an > actual person, because they do not believe in reincarnation, > thinking we only live once, and believing that Jesus was the ONLY > incarnation of divinity. This conditioning will only be overcome if proper facts and sharp reasoning is provided. SYs have made no attempt to do so as they still have to overcome their own inhibiting factors. i see a very long, winding and torturous route ahead for all SYs. Despite our strongest convictions we have failed to live up to even average expectations. The utter lack of apprehension that we have made so little progress as far as announcing the Last Judgment is concerned has left me shaking my head ................. shaking my head because few, if any, want to even admit or discuss it! warmest regards, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > This conditioning will only be overcome if proper facts and sharp > reasoning is provided. SYs have made no attempt to do so as they > still have to overcome their own inhibiting factors. i see a very > long, winding and torturous route ahead for all SYs. Despite our > strongest convictions we have failed to live up to even average > expectations. The utter lack of apprehension that we have made so > little progress as far as announcing the Last Judgment is concerned has left me shaking my head ................. shaking my head because few, if any, want to even admit or discuss it! > > Dear All, i have been posted off-list by a concerned SY regarding my position, and i paste just one paragraph that in a nutshell explains all: " Again I find the reply that you gave about announcing very haunty, and arrogant. What do you know about what Sahaja Yogi's are doing and saying and working out. You place yourself in an allknowing position assuming that you can oversee the whole scope. " This is the second time this particular person has posted, taking my refusal to engage off-list as an acknowledgement that i have agreed to whatever opinion given: " you didn't reply to my last email, so I guesss you did agree, since no reply usuallly means an agree. " Let me be clear that Jesus spoke the truth and announced fearlessly in a very hostile and dangerous enviroment that He was the Son of God. His disciples also proclaimed so and many paid the ultimate price and were fed to lions. If any SY fears a similar fate should he/she announce that Shri Mataji is the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the message of the Last Judgment, please refrain. If there are other reasons, like people will be shocked, i am not interested. ....... Many were shocked that Jesus was more than a carpenter, and eventually believed. So will shocked people eventually believe that Shri Mataji is the Comforter sent to deliver the message of the Last Judgment. The present silence is deafening and perpetuates the fear of announcing amongst SYs, and ignorance amongst the masses. It is a lose-lose situation. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > It is easier to express the joy of discovery and the reality of > > one's convictions in print than in a large hall full of people. > > This is definitely correct and cannot be disputed. i will be the > first to admit that and more - i will not be able to speak to a > group of people despite my unshakable conviction that Shri Mataji is > the Adi Shakti (Comforter) who has been given the mandate by God- > Almighty to announce the Last Judgment and Resurrection to all > humankind. The reason is that i lack oratory skills and i am glad > for that as i dislike intensely any role of a public speaker. > Moreover, anything i say may be misconstrued as showing off / > bragging, given the information i have about the Adi Shakti in the > Sahasrara. > > Notwithstanding that, i enjoy immensely putting in print all > evidence in my possession about Shri Mataji. i find this to be > vastly superior and far less energy consuming method of reaching out > to the masses. i know that the internet will eventually enable > access to humans living in the most remotest corner of Earth, a > giant leap in spreading the message of the Last Judgment and > Resurrection. There is no better method of spreading Sahaja Yoga. .. >Dear Jagbhir I was really simply musing " out loud " about the problems I was currently encountering in communicating with a particular christian website where I have been told I need therapy and so on. I was trying to imagine myself actually announcing in the churches, which Sri Mataji has also said we should do. Frankly I doubt that I could at this stage. > I have enormous respect for the methods you are using and the huge amount of work it must take, I didn't mean to make a comparison. Just pondering and hoping to generate a bit of feedback. Likewise with the following; > > Another inhibiting factor in the West is that Christian > > conditioning doesn't allow expectations of an actual Incarnation > > of the Holy Spirit in human form. Even though Lord Jesus is > > recorded as having promised to send the Holy Spirit, most > > Christians think it is a metaphor for a state of grace, not an > > actual person, because they do not believe in reincarnation, > > thinking we only live once, and believing that Jesus was the ONLY > > incarnation of divinity. > > This conditioning will only be overcome if proper facts and sharp > reasoning is provided. SYs have made no attempt to do so as they > still have to overcome their own inhibiting factors. i see a very > long, winding and torturous route ahead for all SYs. Despite our > strongest convictions we have failed to live up to even average > expectations. The utter lack of apprehension that we have made so > little progress as far as announcing the Last Judgment is concerned > has left me shaking my head ................. shaking my head > because few, if any, want to even admit or discuss it! > Well, Jagbhir, I Used to stamp my foot as well as shake my head but lately I feel we are really going into a new phase and it is not very evident outside yet but a strengthening of the bonds of love in the collective and a deeper awareness of where we are ....hard to describe but from that I feel a corner has been turned. It was always fairly likely that the real recognition of Truth was not going to be huge in western countries. It certainly cannot spread effectively until there are enough deep yogis within any collective. I really don't think the men have got much to do with it either. with love from Lyndal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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